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And the music business strikes again! This time it's the lyrics...

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Skyclad1uhm1

Lifer
Anyone in favor of killing a few people in the music business?

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Originally posted by: tm37
how dare they protect there intelectual property.

Music should be open source and free[/idiot mode]
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The songs are not free, and if you pay for those are you not allowed to read the lyrics? Without the music/song the lyrics are not that useful either.
 
Originally posted by: tm37
how dare they protect there intelectual property.
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Preventing people from searching lyrics does what exactly? Prevent users off the street from aquiring the music and singing it so they don't have to buy the album?
 
Oh how I miss Songfile (something like lyrics.ch) That place was the best for searching for lyrics until they were ordered to shutdown.

And since many CDs don't come with decent liner notes or the print is so small as to be illegible, the web offers relief for many looking for a song. I know I've purchased a CD or two or three after hearing a song on the radio but not knowing what it was. I'd go to the web and search a portion of the lyrics that I remembered and I would go and get the CD (or order from like CDNow or Amazon).
 
LyricFind has now been forced to remove all lyrics from its site, and others will probably close over the coming months.

I loved LyricFind... it helped me with alot of misspoken lyrics... i'm pissed now :|

 
I agree with this in theory, but I don't agree in practice. As long as the publisher correctly attributes the source of the lyric, what is the problem? Are they worried that someone will think it's a good lyric and buy the album that it's on? For shame!
 
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
 
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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Quoting a passege is not publishing a work in its entirety (i.e. posting all the lyrics of a song). If you only quote part of the song (let's say the line most people usually hear wrong) then you might be able to get away w/it.


Lethal

 
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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It isn't quite the same. You don't need the authors permission to reference his or her book.
 
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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It isn't quite the same. You don't need the authors permission to reference his or her book.
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Just looked at a Nightwish CD, and the booklet.
Nothing about copyrighted lyrics in the booklet, and on the CD it says:
All rights of the producer and of the owner of the work reproduced reserved. Unauthorized copying, hiring, lending, public performance broadcasting and sampling of this record prohibited.
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It specifically mentions the recording, and not the lyrics.
 
I always thought you couldn't do that anyway. Who really care anyway? If you want to know the lyrics, buy the CD. If the lyrics aren't in the CD, then complain. Geeze. Some people are really into this stealing thing.
 
Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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Quoting a passege is not publishing a work in its entirety
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Lyrics are not a song in it's entirety.
 
Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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Quoting a passege is not publishing a work in its entirety (i.e. posting all the lyrics of a song).
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Well, posting the lyrics of a song is nowhere near of publishing the work in its entirety. I mean, there's ALOT more to songs than just lyrics. How about the melody?

If I publish an entire book online, I can understand why the publisher would be pissed (potential customers would not buy the book but they would get in online). But publishing lyrics of songs would not reduce record-sales. Or would the potential buyers read the lyrics, and based on the lyrics alone they would decide that the song sucks and it should not be purchased? I don't think so.
 
Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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Quoting a passege is not publishing a work in its entirety (i.e. posting all the lyrics of a song). If you only quote part of the song (let's say the line most people usually hear wrong) then you might be able to get away w/it.


Lethal
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A song is made up of much more than just the lyrics.
 
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Triumph
Why is it any different than quoting a passage from a book, properly referenced? That's intellectual property, but you are allowed to do that.
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It isn't quite the same. You don't need the authors permission to reference his or her book.
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Just looked at a Nightwish CD, and the booklet.
Nothing about copyrighted lyrics in the booklet, and on the CD it says:
All rights of the producer and of the owner of the work reproduced reserved. Unauthorized copying, hiring, lending, public performance broadcasting and sampling of this record prohibited.
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It specifically mentions the recording, and not the lyrics.
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The minute you put pen to paper you have copyright protection. Offically copyrighting the work just makes it easier to uhold your copyright.

Of course lyrics are only a part of a song, but posting lyrics in their entirety is the same as posting a poem, book, magazine article, movie script, or whatever in its entirety.


That being said I can't beleive some is spending the time and energy going after lyric sites. While they may be violating the letter of the law I don't think they are violate the spirit of it.


Lethal
 
Hmm... at this rate, I imagine it'll be illegal to hum a tune here soon enough.

Ah well, it sure is amusing to watch the music industry continue to shoot itself in the foot. Even music can't sell without proper advertising, and those lyrics sites were free advertising in their purest form.

Oh yeah, and tm37... quit infringing upon the English language. In that usage it's their, not there.
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Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Of course lyrics are only a part of a song, but posting lyrics in their entirety is the same as posting a poem, book, magazine article, movie script, or whatever in its entirety.
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A book or a poem? Nope. Those are just words. When you post the words, you post 100% of the whole work. But songs are alot more than just words. If you post it's lyrics, you would still leave large part of the whole work unpublished.
 
Seems to me like they're shooting themselves in the foot. Lots of times, people google song lyric snippets to find out who sings a song they hear on the radio so that they can buy the CD. Sounds like everybody benefits to me.
 
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