And the completely unsurprising happens with a twist, it's not good for Trump.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Deutsche Bank Turns Over Trump Financial Docs to NY Attorney General


Barr can stop this! No, he can't. Well, the Senate then! Wrong. The SCOTUS! Nope. This is a state investigation of financial records and whatever The Great State of Trump likes or not, our AG has his mushroom and BB's in her grip. Hopefully, she has gloves on or forceps.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Countdown thread to the next nothingburger?

 

[zinfamous]

Countdown thread to the next nothingburger?

lulz at this guy.

Just so the rest of us can keep count, exactly how many nothingburgers have you actually swallowed throughout all of this?

 

[dainthomas]

Countdown thread to the next nothingburger?

He's definitely fighting tooth and nail to prevent release of any tax or financial records because he's a totally innocent straight-shooter.

We already know how his dad and him ripped off the IRS for hundreds of millions. I wonder how much worse this could be for him to freak out about it?

 

[Blackjack200]

Countdown thread to the next nothingburger?

I don't think it will have an impact on the administration, but I do think it has the potential to be extremely funny if a bunch of embarrassing corruption is uncovered.

 

[fskimospy]

Countdown thread to the next nothingburger?

What nothing burgers do you think have happened so far?

I mean the Mueller report was the most damning indictment of a sitting president in history, Watergate included.

 

[fskimospy]

Deutsche Bank Turns Over Trump Financial Docs to NY Attorney General

Barr can stop this! No, he can't. Well, the Senate then! Wrong. The SCOTUS! Nope. This is a state investigation of financial records and whatever The Great State of Trump likes or not, our AG has his mushroom and BB's in her grip. Hopefully, she has gloves on or forceps.

Yes, New York State has wide powers to pull Trump’s various financials and they should use this to the maximum extent.

Presumably they could also provide this information to the relevant federal congressional committees, which they should do as well.

If Trump wants to stonewall Congress then NYS should just provide a giant data dump of his financials to them through the back door.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What nothing burgers do you think have happened so far?

I mean the Mueller report was the most damning indictment of a sitting president in history, Watergate included.

Not disagreeing, but the reason I say nothingburger is just all the frothing at the mouth as if he is going to be put in jail and raped.

When the sad reality is we can't even get enough for impeachment.

 

[mect]

Not disagreeing, but the reason I say nothingburger is just all the frothing at the mouth as if he is going to be put in jail and raped.

When the sad reality is we can't even get enough for impeachment.

We have plenty for impeachment. The problem is that one of the few times Trump was right was when he claimed he could shoot a person without any consequences from his base. If republicans in congress were more interested in the well being of the country than in blindly supporting their party, Trump would be impeached already. Surely you can acknowledge that if there was enough to impeach Clinton there is more than enough to impeach Trump under any sane conditions.

 

[fskimospy]

Not disagreeing, but the reason I say nothingburger is just all the frothing at the mouth as if he is going to be put in jail and raped.

When the sad reality is we can't even get enough for impeachment.

If Trump loses re-election there is a non-trivial chance of him going to jail. That’s why I suspect he will create a national crisis if he loses and will try to use that to bargain for federal immunity.

The thing is while I feel like the next president will probably want to focus on their agenda instead of prosecuting Trump the political incentives for the NYS AG will probably strongly favor throwing him in jail.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not disagreeing, but the reason I say nothingburger is just all the frothing at the mouth as if he is going to be put in jail and raped.

When the sad reality is we can't even get enough for impeachment.

Yeh, that's because the GOP describes Trump's myriad crimes as nothingburgers.

 

[dainthomas]

Not disagreeing, but the reason I say nothingburger is just all the frothing at the mouth as if he is going to be put in jail and raped.

When the sad reality is we can't even get enough for impeachment.

We have more than enough right now. Traitorous R's in the senate would never convict though. At least R's during the Nixon administration still had their dignity.

 

[Jhhnn]

We have more than enough right now. Traitorous R's in the senate would never convict though. At least R's during the Nixon administration still had their dignity.

Dignity isn't the right word. Integrity is the term you want.

 

[Commodus]

This raises the question: what happens if Trump's taxes and other financial records become public, and they validate many of the leaks/rumors? That is, he's not only considerably less wealthy than he pretends to be, but it's clear he's been relying on dodgy tax breaks and fraud.

I'm actually less interested in whether he'd be prosecuted (not until he's out of office, most likely) or how this would affect him at the polls (it'll probably aid a Dem victory). Rather, I'd want to know how Trump himself would react. Would he throw a temper tantrum on camera? Would his aides have to repeatedly tell him that no, he can't have investigators assassinated? Hell, I wonder if he wouldn't just shut down mentally and leave the rest of his administration to pick up even more of the slack than usual.

 

[dank69]

This raises the question: what happens if Trump's taxes and other financial records become public, and they validate many of the leaks/rumors? That is, he's not only considerably less wealthy than he pretends to be, but it's clear he's been relying on dodgy tax breaks and fraud.

I'm actually less interested in whether he'd be prosecuted (not until he's out of office, most likely) or how this would affect him at the polls (it'll probably aid a Dem victory). Rather, I'd want to know how Trump himself would react. Would he throw a temper tantrum on camera? Would his aides have to repeatedly tell him that no, he can't have investigators assassinated? Hell, I wonder if he wouldn't just shut down mentally and leave the rest of his administration to pick up even more of the slack than usual.

He will claim all of it is fake news until the day he dies.

 

[Blackjack200]

If Trump loses re-election there is a non-trivial chance of him going to jail. That’s why I suspect he will create a national crisis if he loses and will try to use that to bargain for federal immunity.

The thing is while I feel like the next president will probably want to focus on their agenda instead of prosecuting Trump the political incentives for the NYS AG will probably strongly favor throwing him in jail.

When I read this I wondered to myself who the highest ranking US official to ever go to prison was, and then I remembered Dennis Hastert, and his Wkipedia page says he’s the highest ranking right in the introduction. SoS is pretty hight ranking, but OTOH it was child rape. If we send a former president to prison I’ll be seriously impressed, but I’m skeptical.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump is a lazy fuck. He would not expend energy trying to stop a nothingburger

 

[trenchfoot]

Another "oh shit, well it doesn't matter" because as Trump and Barr have said over and over and over again, he's already totally exonerated of any and all crimes he's been accused of in the Mueller Report. He's a totally innocent man being harassed by the Democrats, the Democrat saturated FBI, NSA and CIA and the Democrat corrupted news media.

And all of this is irrefutably confirmed by Jared, Jr. and Ivanka while Melania is waiting in the dugout awaiting her turn to hit a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth 3/2.

A number of his close associates have already been indicted, convicted, turned and burned. His financials/tax docs have been/are being scrupulously picked over by the folks who, unlike those thoroughly corrupted Repubs in Congress, are doing their sworn duty to be a check on the executive branch. SDNY is waiting for him to leave office and the Russians have the green light from Trump and the Repubs to do their thing on the Dems just like before and Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator.

Through all of this, we're to believe that Trump is, as he keeps repeating to himself, an innocent man?

Heh, and Trump's supporters are ignoring all of these signs of impending doom and would rather stick with the crime boss than facing the facts of the matter.

Time for another distractive soothing rally to hold back the tides of reality it seems.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Another "oh shit, well it doesn't matter" because as Trump and Barr have said over and over and over again, he's already totally exonerated of any and all crimes he's been accused of in the Mueller Report

I think this is where people aren't well informed.

So let me say as a member of the Empire State that we don't care about Trump nor Barr, not the GOP Senate nor anyone else for that matter. This is a state matter and while the Mueller report matters as far as FEDERAL consequences, as does Barr and his ilk, we're the Honey Badgers of this and we don't give a collective fuck. Again, this is a state issue and has nothing to do with the other 49 states no more than we here can impeach and remove Trump all on his own. We don't care about Fox or their agenda and we as a whole aren't in Trump's camp and decidedly against him and his.

This is an absolute power granted to the states, that is to have their own legal system within the bounds of Constitutional restraints with limited Federal interference. This for those who used to be Conservatives or pretend to be now, this is the meaning of State's Rights. You break a law here and you are liable.

Now it is possible that Trump may not do time because I don't know the absolute future but I do know who has no say in it and that's Trump and his minions. I think Trump being impoverished and exposed would be the first step and to do that by civil means including fines, penalties and restitution to anyone harmed with damages.

Once that happens we'll see about the second part, hosting him in one of our fine facilities with the threat of his potential harm to national security in securing his communications with the outside world or other inmates.

 

[fskimospy]

When I read this I wondered to myself who the highest ranking US official to ever go to prison was, and then I remembered Dennis Hastert, and his Wkipedia page says he’s the highest ranking right in the introduction. SoS is pretty hight ranking, but OTOH it was child rape. If we send a former president to prison I’ll be seriously impressed, but I’m skeptical.

Yeah, I share your skepticism. I'm not saying it WILL happen but I think 1) NYS will uncover criminal activity and 2) the politics of NYS are such that the AG would be helping their political career by prosecuting him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, I share your skepticism. I'm not saying it WILL happen but I think 1) NYS will uncover criminal activity and 2) the politics of NYS are such that the AG would be helping their political career by prosecuting him.

Don't forget the questionable wealth of Trump and the Trump Org. NY has already taken his fake trust and there's likely grounds to take the rest.

 

[trenchfoot]

I think this is where people aren't well informed.

So let me say as a member of the Empire State that we don't care about Trump nor Barr, not the GOP Senate nor anyone else for that matter. This is a state matter and while the Mueller report matters as far as FEDERAL consequences, as does Barr and his ilk, we're the Honey Badgers of this and we don't give a collective fuck. Again, this is a state issue and has nothing to do with the other 49 states no more than we here can impeach and remove Trump all on his own. We don't care about Fox or their agenda and we as a whole aren't in Trump's camp and decidedly against him and his.

This is an absolute power granted to the states, that is to have their own legal system within the bounds of Constitutional restraints with limited Federal interference. This for those who used to be Conservatives or pretend to be now, this is the meaning of State's Rights. You break a law here and you are liable.

Now it is possible that Trump may not do time because I don't know the absolute future but I do know who has no say in it and that's Trump and his minions. I think Trump being impoverished and exposed would be the first step and to do that by civil means including fines, penalties and restitution to anyone harmed with damages.

Once that happens we'll see about the second part, hosting him in one of our fine facilities with the threat of his potential harm to national security in securing his communications with the outside world or other inmates.

Sounds good to me. My daughter dormed in Manhattan for five years chasing after and then securing her Masters. I had the pleasure of visiting her once a year, soaking in the NY lifestyle with her. By her senior year, she was thoroughly entrenched in the culture and politics there, sharing with me what she learned both in class and in the streets. I was glad she chose a college in NY over those others she got accepted to.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Further information on what is going on and what it currently means. I'm citing the last paragraph summary as most of the material was given before.

From Salon

Providing false financial information to a bank is illegal but the New York investigation is a civil probe and not a criminal one. The scope of the investigation is unclear but The Times noted that the New York attorney general has the power to fine or, in extreme cases, take the company to court to try and dissolve the business if it has been found engaging in repeated illegal behavior.

The points here are we are at the civil level not criminal but these are not mutually exclusive. The AG can take Trump, his business and those involved to a NY court which isn't going to play games and in essence, potentially take the wealth and businesses from Don as well as whatever stake his kids have in it. Trump could become a pauper and then the civil litigation of those harmed by him begins.

Then? We'll see but civil probes often reveal criminal evidence and none of this is separate.

 

[kage69]

Il Douche is pissing himself over "a coup."

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable response to a nothing burger.