And so the attacks start on the Colombian rescue mission

[Brovane]

Any so it starts, the attacks by the press on a successful hostage rescue mission.

I guess the press cannot stand the Columbian military actually being competent enough to do something right.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...a.red.cross/index.html

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Oh for fvck's sake.

Whoever has a problem with the operation should be handed over to FARC immediately. I bet they'll be praying to see a helicopter with false Red Cross markings approaching in no time.

 

[Dari]

This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

From reading the article I don't see anything stating that the Red Cross emblem was on the helicopter.

The unpublished video also reveals an emblem that bears the Spanish words "Mision Internacional Humanitaria" (International Humanitarian Mission) and a stylized red bird made up of wavy red lines above two curved branches of blue leaves. In the 3½-minute video of the operation issued by the military, emblems pasted on the side of the rescue helicopter cannot be seen. But in the unpublished video and photos shown to CNN, emblems measuring about one square meter (one square yard) are pasted onto the outside of the chopper.

 

[Mill]

Well, I hope they didn't, but right now I wouldn't trust the video CNN saw. In addition, if it were partly true, it would seem they used symbols that looked similar to well know symbols. Really, we don't know anything, and shame on CNN for such shabby reporting.

 

[nick1985]

lol

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

The same thing I say now: will somebody please kill this coked-up jungle trash?

When its your mommie getting brutalized in the jungle for 6 years, I'll be impressed by your moral high ground. She can either demand the pilot paste a big red bullseye target on the helicopter instead of the faux Red Cross logo, or she can stay behind when the rest of the cheering hostages climb aboard.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

From reading the article I don't see anything stating that the Red Cross emblem was on the helicopter.

The unpublished video also reveals an emblem that bears the Spanish words "Mision Internacional Humanitaria" (International Humanitarian Mission) and a stylized red bird made up of wavy red lines above two curved branches of blue leaves. In the 3½-minute video of the operation issued by the military, emblems pasted on the side of the rescue helicopter cannot be seen. But in the unpublished video and photos shown to CNN, emblems measuring about one square meter (one square yard) are pasted onto the outside of the chopper.

My fault. They said a guy was wearing the Red Cross symbol. If I was FARC, I wouldn't trust the Red Cross after that. BTW, as CNN mentioned, it is a war crime to use such a symbol.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

The same thing I say now: will somebody please kill this coked-up jungle trash?

When its your mommie getting brutalized in the jungle for 6 years, I'll be impressed by your moral high ground. She can either demand the pilot paste a big red bullseye target on the helicopter instead of the faux Red Cross logo, or she can stay behind when the rest of the cheering hostages climb aboard.

What will your dumb ass have to say if it's my mother working for the Red Cross? If the military has to hide behind an impartial institute to accomplish their mission, then they are worthless.

This is no different than terrorists using women and children to carry out their missions.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Dari
What will your dumb ass have to say if it's my mother working for the Red Cross?

LOL!

OK, that's pretty good. You win.

 

[Drift3r]

If true this puts a neutral party such as the Red Cross at risk. I know the knee jerk reaction is to think about the here and now but thinking 5 minutes into the future is what separates us from the rest of the great apes. The Red Cross is supposed to be neutral for a good reason so that they can check on the health and well being of people being held prisoner or render aid to parts of a nation not friendly to the current ruling government. Using the Red Cross as shield for military ops and endangering their potential future neutrality is not a very good thing for those who choose to work as Red Cross aid workers and their potential future clients. It puts their lives and well being of anyone seeking aid from the Red Cross in danger when they as an organization are used as pawns.

 

[waggy]

well i have to say damn them for useing it. but good for getting them out

 

[ohnoes]

if it turns out to be true, it'll suck for red cross volunteers in the future.

 

[fallout man]

Colombia, LOL.

Like their pissant, corrupt, thug-filled government gives a shit about international conventions... No wonder they get praise and continued financial backing from the Oilman in Chief.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

The same thing I say now: will somebody please kill this coked-up jungle trash?

When its your mommie getting brutalized in the jungle for 6 years, I'll be impressed by your moral high ground. She can either demand the pilot paste a big red bullseye target on the helicopter instead of the faux Red Cross logo, or she can stay behind when the rest of the cheering hostages climb aboard.

I hope they did not false flag the red cross. For the sake of discussion if they did:

I hope YOUR mother, Buck, is on the Red Cross helicoptor shot down because of abusing the symbol, or is the one who can't get Red Cross assistance and needs it.

Why take it out on her?

Well, she raised you badly for you to say what you did.

Edit: a little credit to Buck for backing off when the obvious logic was explained.

But the neat thing about the idea is that then, when FARC attack the Red Cross, that too is a great PR coup - 'see what bastard terrorists they are attacking the Red Cross!'

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

The same thing I say now: will somebody please kill this coked-up jungle trash?

When its your mommie getting brutalized in the jungle for 6 years, I'll be impressed by your moral high ground. She can either demand the pilot paste a big red bullseye target on the helicopter instead of the faux Red Cross logo, or she can stay behind when the rest of the cheering hostages climb aboard.

I hope they did not false flag the red cross. For the sake of discussion if they did:

I hope YOUR mother, Buck, is on the Red Cross helicoptor shot down because of abusing the symbol, or is the one who can't get Red Cross assistance and needs it.

Why take it out on her?

Well, she raised you badly for you to say what you did.

Edit: a little credit to Buck for backing off when the obvious logic was explained.

But the neat thing about the idea is that then, when FARC attack the Red Cross, that too is a great PR coup - 'see what bastard terrorists they are attacking the Red Cross!'

Well, there is an obvious fault in your logic. The FARC and ELN themselves have used Red Cross imagery to transport troops and weapons illegally, so I don't really think the respect the institution unless it benefits them.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Mill
Well, there is an obvious fault in your logic. The FARC and ELN themselves have used Red Cross imagery to transport troops and weapons illegally, so I don't really think the respect the institution unless it benefits them.

My comments spply the same to them if they've done so.

I'm generally against misusing 'trusted', 'apolitical' people for spying etc.

The Peace Corps has had to fight this battle for decades, I hear, and I've seen quite a few other stories.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Colombia, LOL.

Like their pissant, corrupt, thug-filled government gives a shit about international conventions... No wonder they get praise and continued financial backing from the Oilman in Chief.

Do you have anything to back up this troll?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

The same thing I say now: will somebody please kill this coked-up jungle trash?

When its your mommie getting brutalized in the jungle for 6 years, I'll be impressed by your moral high ground. She can either demand the pilot paste a big red bullseye target on the helicopter instead of the faux Red Cross logo, or she can stay behind when the rest of the cheering hostages climb aboard.

I hope they did not false flag the red cross. For the sake of discussion if they did:

I hope YOUR mother, Buck, is on the Red Cross helicoptor shot down because of abusing the symbol, or is the one who can't get Red Cross assistance and needs it.

Why take it out on her?

Well, she raised you badly for you to say what you did.

Edit: a little credit to Buck for backing off when the obvious logic was explained.

But the neat thing about the idea is that then, when FARC attack the Red Cross, that too is a great PR coup - 'see what bastard terrorists they are attacking the Red Cross!'

You guys are clearly not reading the entire article (scroll down past the sensationalist CNN headline and first few "hook" paragraphs and you'll see what I mean). My impression is that if there was a logo at all, it resembled the Red Cross logo, but was not actually the Red Cross logo. Betancourt even said THERE WAS NO RED CROSS LOGO. You'll also see that FARC, on the other hand, has been known to use the Red Cross logo...so hmmm, I wonder where this bullshit charge came from? According to the article, from somebody who wanted to sell CNN the video that may or may not prove/disprove the accusation for a price so high that they refused to pay. This article is clearly irresponsible and bad journalism on CNN's part, which I'm sure you'll agree is not exactly the first time they've caused a huge soap opera by playing fast and loose with the facts (remember the Florida recount?).

Regardless, I don't think that means your Mom sucked as a parent for not having raised you to spell helicopter correctly or read the source material/facts before jumping somebody or wishing their Mom gets shot down by coke-head Colombian rebels.

EDIT: With above being said, I did see Dari's point and I understand what you guys are saying. He's right; it would be akin to terrorists hiding behind women, children, mosques, hospitals, etc.

 

[maddogchen]

i guess i'm bias from too many hollywood movies where the hostage rescue team disguises members as medics, fuel truck workers, and pizza delivery boys.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
i guess i'm bias from too many hollywood movies where the hostage rescue team disguises members as medics, fuel truck workers, and pizza delivery boys.

and never run out of ammo while killing all the bad guys who can never seem to hit anything.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Colombia, LOL.

Like their pissant, corrupt, thug-filled government gives a shit about international conventions... No wonder they get praise and continued financial backing from the Oilman in Chief.

I hate Bush but what does he have to do with this?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Dari
This is wrong because the Red Cross is supposed to be neutral. Next time FARC guerillas shoot down a real Red Cross helicopter, what will you have to say for yourself?

I'd say there is no excuse for FARC's continued existence. They should be slaughtered.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Mill
Well, I hope they didn't, but right now I wouldn't trust the video CNN saw. In addition, if it were partly true, it would seem they used symbols that looked similar to well know symbols. Really, we don't know anything, and shame on CNN for such shabby reporting.

Looks shaby to me too.

Everybody, including a former Presidential candidate who has no reason to lie, denies using the Red Cross logo. Yet CNN, using pics they can can't confirm as legit, and kinda sure but not quite think they see the RC logos, decides to launch into the whole "War Crimes" thing.

I guess it's too much to ask that the MSM actually base their articles on facts. No, much better to just go ahead and write sensational stories. No need to waste time by gathering and confirming the facts.

Fern

 

[fallenangel99]

Uribe apologizes for using the Red Cross logo

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...ombia.cross/index.html

Most of you can apologize to CNN now