And people wonder why the Palestinians hate Israel

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Maybe if they wouldn't keep settling .......



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[eclavatar]

So Palestinians hate Israel because an organization is helping Jews come back to Israel?

Israel is their homeland. Palestinians can whine and suicide bomb all they want, and absolutely nothing will change that.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: eclavatar
So Palestinians hate Israel because an organization is helping Jews come back to Israel?

Israel is their homeland. Palestinians can whine and suicide bomb all they want, and absolutely nothing will change that.

So even when the Palestinians were on "their" land, that means that it didn't belong to Palestine? Who decreed that it was always Jewish land?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: magomago
So even when the Palestinians were on "their" land, that means that it didn't belong to Palestine? Who decreed that it was always Jewish land?

Check your actual history, not political propaganda.

The Jews emigrated to Palestine and purchased land from the existing inhabitants. Much was un-inhabited and barren.

Then WWI ended, the British fouled up the politics in the area.

The Arabs living in Palestine sided with the wrong side in the Arab/Israeli wars over the next 30 years.
They lost/forfieted their designated share of Palestine to Israel. Exactly what they tried to do to Israel starting in 1948 and continuing through implicit support of the militants today.

 

[Infohawk]

Here come the christian soldiers to protect Israel so that the end of days will come sooner...

... the radical religious right and the jewish community certainly make strange bedfellows don't they?

 

[kylef]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here come the christian soldiers to protect Israel so that the end of days will come sooner...

... the radical religious right and the jewish community certainly make strange bedfellows don't they?

Israel hardly needs protection; they're quite capable of doing that themselves, as the past 40 years has shown.

What Israel does need, however, is more vocal support from the Western world.

It is unconscionable that the West does not speak out against the Islamic hate speech coming from Islamic Jihad and Hamas. It is this foul rhetoric which brainwashes hundreds of thousands of young Islamic people around the world into believing that it is their God-given duty to kill "the infidels."

"Death to Israel! Death to America!" How has World Opinion come to respect those statements as the opinions of sane people?

Sharon himself has committed to the concept of a Palestinian state. Towards this end, he is forcing (much to the chagrin of members of the Likud party) the evacuation of Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip in preparation for a transfer of control. This represents a momentous departure from Israeli policy, and is a huge step forward in the pursuit of a peaceful settlement in the region.

Here's to hoping that Arafat's successor, when offered terms similar to those rejected at the infamous Camp David accords, will seize the opportunity to bring both sides closer to a settlement.

Sure, terrorist violence and reprisals will continue. But with an official Palestinian state, and Palestinian leaders committed to enforcing the Rule of Law, this violence will begin to look patently ridiculous over time.

 

[Citadel535]

I think you also have to look at that Christian and Jewish religions do not advocate the concept of jihad which is bloody, murderous, holy war despite what politically correct news networks say.

Hopefully with the founding of a Palestinian state the country can be held responsible for its citizens actions. Note that Israel isn't a holier than though society either it has its share of blood.

 

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: magomago
So even when the Palestinians were on "their" land, that means that it didn't belong to Palestine? Who decreed that it was always Jewish land?

Check your actual history, not political propaganda.

The Jews emigrated to Palestine and purchased land from the existing inhabitants. Much was un-inhabited and barren.

Then WWI ended, the British fouled up the politics in the area.

The Arabs living in Palestine sided with the wrong side in the Arab/Israeli wars over the next 30 years.
They lost/forfieted their designated share of Palestine to Israel. Exactly what they tried to do to Israel starting in 1948 and continuing through implicit support of the militants today.

:thumbsup::beer:

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[Aimster]

Everyone hates Israel (Jews).OK Not everyone, but there are large populations all over the world that do. Why? Because Jews are succesful. Are mainly educated. Are well off (rich). Not all Jews, but the majority. People blame their problems on Jews because they are the minority and they tend to do much better. Ever hear the term "Jews are stingy with their money. That is how they are". There is so much anti-jew crap all over the world. Jealousy makes people evil.

We already saw what a large population of Jews could do in Europe. Hitler. Israel is the only last place for Jews to call home. Europe is full of hate for Jews. I don't think they can get their head out of their butts. Then again I think Europe hates everyone (mainly France).

If you want to hate the best then you will never learn how to be the best. (I'm not saying Jews are the best, but on paper they are...).

 

[judasmachine]

Americans murdered, and destroyed the people of this land, and you expect them not to let Israel do the same to the Palestinians? Israelis have as much proper claim to that land, as you do to this land. The legacy of hate, and genocide continues.

 

[Sketcher]

A day in the life...

Must have missed that CNN broadcast... hey, they never showed that on CNN

 

[kylef]

Originally posted by: Sketcher
A day in the life...

Must have missed that CNN broadcast... hey, they never showed that on CNN

So I think the charred human remains in the car were supposed to anger me against the Israelis, but I have also seen the charred and bloodied remains of hotel guests, bus travelers, and shoppers on the other side. To me, it's much worse when the loss of life is intentionally targeted at civilians.

The first set of photos you don't see on CNN, either, btw. Based on those, it must be cool to be a killer, to frag some Jewish settlers. Maybe even get killed in a blaze of martyrdom, so that friends and family will hold up gigantic signs of me so that I will be famous...

It's madness, I tell you. The world must take a moral stand against this crap. I don't care what religion you espouse. You just don't kill innocent people to make a political statement. Not even if you think they stole your land.

 

[anxman69]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Everyone hates Israel (Jews).OK Not everyone, but there are large populations all over the world that do. Why? Because Jews are succesful. Are mainly educated. Are well off (rich). Not all Jews, but the majority. People blame their problems on Jews because they are the minority and they tend to do much better. Ever hear the term "Jews are stingy with their money. That is how they are". There is so much anti-jew crap all over the world. Jealousy makes people evil.

We already saw what a large population of Jews could do in Europe. Hitler. Israel is the only last place for Jews to call home. Europe is full of hate for Jews. I don't think they can get their head out of their butts. Then again I think Europe hates everyone (mainly France).

If you want to hate the best then you will never learn how to be the best. (I'm not saying Jews are the best, but on paper they are...).

Get over yourself. Perhaps the reason people are anti-semetic is because of this type of arrogance -- which is really just a disguised form of racism.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: anxman69

Originally posted by: Aimster
Everyone hates Israel (Jews).OK Not everyone, but there are large populations all over the world that do. Why? Because Jews are succesful. Are mainly educated. Are well off (rich). Not all Jews, but the majority. People blame their problems on Jews because they are the minority and they tend to do much better. Ever hear the term "Jews are stingy with their money. That is how they are". There is so much anti-jew crap all over the world. Jealousy makes people evil.

We already saw what a large population of Jews could do in Europe. Hitler. Israel is the only last place for Jews to call home. Europe is full of hate for Jews. I don't think they can get their head out of their butts. Then again I think Europe hates everyone (mainly France).

If you want to hate the best then you will never learn how to be the best. (I'm not saying Jews are the best, but on paper they are...).

Get over yourself. Perhaps the reason people are anti-semetic is because of this type of arrogance -- which is really just a disguised form of racism.

How the hell is what I said racist in any way? Jews are the most succesful minority in almost every country. You can hate the facts all you want but it is true. That makes me racist? I think not.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here come the christian soldiers to protect Israel so that the end of days will come sooner...

... the radical religious right and the jewish community certainly make strange bedfellows don't they?

Funny, considering the Jewish community in America voted for Kerry at a rate of 75% to Bush's 25%

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here come the christian soldiers to protect Israel so that the end of days will come sooner...

... the radical religious right and the jewish community certainly make strange bedfellows don't they?

Funny, considering the Jewish community in America voted for Kerry at a rate of 75% to Bush's 25%

This just proves my point that Jews are smart

 

[anxman69]

racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Sounds like exactly what you said.

Might I add, that actually in the USA, the most succesful minority group are Indian Americans in terms of average household income.

Also, to quote Collen Powell:

"To criticize Israel, does not make someone Anti-Semetic".

I'm just so sick of people blaming anti-Israel sentiment on "hating the Jews because they are succesful". Many of my dearest and closest friends are Jewish, and they and I both share an understanding that the attrocities commited by Israel are equivalent on the scale to those commited by the Palestinians. My disguest at Israel does NOT affect my love for Jewish people or their beautiful culture (or my love for all cultures / religions, including Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc).

Did you notice how the other countries in the UN did not support the war in Iraq; however, the USA did? On that same note, did you notice how EVERY other country in the UN votes to comdemn Israeli war crimes and violations of Geneva Conventions EXCEPT the United States?

Again, I'm not saying Israel is worse than Palestine, but if you can't put both countries on the same scale, then you are overlooking a lot of facts.

Furthermore, people claim that "Israel is more than capable of standing on her own to defend herself." I call FALSE on this statement. The US gives MAJOR economic aid to Israel every year in addition to supporting her military. Israel's economy has been in recession for years. Israel would stand on her own without the billions of dollars in "aid" given to her by the USA.

Our economic, and military / strategic interest in the area is why we continually support her without any regard for what war crimes she may actually be committing.

Want me to backup my statements? I would be more than happy to with credible news sources like BBC, Economist, Amnesty International, etc.

Again, I want to reiterate that I do not support the Palestians any more than I support the Israelis. I think both sides are pretty damn stupid in what they do. The purpose of this post is simply to point out that people hate Israel because they have a right to -- in the same way that people hate Palestine. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH 'THE JEWS'. It has everything to do with politics. To criticize Israel is NOT anti-semetic.

PS. Sharon is just as much of a radical as Arafat. Sharon, and his Likud party, have been known as the extremists over the last 20 years, and it is a shock that he has been able to stay in power for this long.

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Supporting articles:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE150291997

http://web.amnesty.org/web/web.../isr-180504-action-eng

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http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=1025

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...es/A9628-2004Oct5.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/N...-B25E-CE0368765DDD.htm [Yes, I see it is Al-Jazeera, but the Arab world is allowed to express their POV in light of Western propaganda like CNN / NYT]

http://www.newsmax.com/archive...003/10/15/121234.shtml

http://web.amnesty.org/library...04?open&amp;of=ENG-ISR

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3724361.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...iddle_east/2983911.stm

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/sab-f22.shtml

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2001/0101015.html

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: anxman69

Originally posted by: Aimster
Everyone hates Israel (Jews).OK Not everyone, but there are large populations all over the world that do. Why? Because Jews are succesful. Are mainly educated. Are well off (rich). Not all Jews, but the majority. People blame their problems on Jews because they are the minority and they tend to do much better. Ever hear the term "Jews are stingy with their money. That is how they are". There is so much anti-jew crap all over the world. Jealousy makes people evil.

We already saw what a large population of Jews could do in Europe. Hitler. Israel is the only last place for Jews to call home. Europe is full of hate for Jews. I don't think they can get their head out of their butts. Then again I think Europe hates everyone (mainly France).

If you want to hate the best then you will never learn how to be the best. (I'm not saying Jews are the best, but on paper they are...).

Get over yourself. Perhaps the reason people are anti-semetic is because of this type of arrogance -- which is really just a disguised form of racism.

How the hell is what I said racist in any way? Jews are the most succesful minority in almost every country. You can hate the facts all you want but it is true. That makes me racist? I think not.

He thinks that you're Jewish and being arrogant with those comments of yours.

Anyways, do you have a link about how much the average Jewish person makes in the US? I wonder how much higher it is than other groups. Thanks.

 

[alphatarget1]

Why can't people lose their egos, sit down and talk it out? Personally I find the very idea of a "Jewish State" pretty racist but that's just me. No, I do not hate Israel. I think they have the right to defend themselves and Palestinians are just being jackasses when they think they further their cause by blowing themselves up.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: anxman69

racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Sounds like exactly what you said.

Might I add, that actually in the USA, the most succesful minority group are Indian Americans in terms of average household income.

Also, to quote Collen Powell:

"To criticize Israel, does not make someone Anti-Semetic".

I'm just so sick of people blaming anti-Israel sentiment on "hating the Jews because they are succesful". Many of my dearest and closest friends are Jewish, and they and I both share an understanding that the attrocities commited by Israel are equivalent on the scale to those commited by the Palestinians. My disguest at Israel does NOT affect my love for Jewish people or their beautiful culture (or my love for all cultures / religions, including Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc).

Did you notice how the other countries in the UN did not support the war in Iraq; however, the USA did? On that same note, did you notice how EVERY other country in the UN votes to comdemn Israeli war crimes and violations of Geneva Conventions EXCEPT the United States?

Again, I'm not saying Israel is worse than Palestine, but if you can't put both countries on the same scale, then you are overlooking a lot of facts.

Furthermore, people claim that "Israel is more than capable of standing on her own to defend herself." I call FALSE on this statement. The US gives MAJOR economic aid to Israel every year in addition to supporting her military. Israel's economy has been in recession for years. Israel would stand on her own without the billions of dollars in "aid" given to her by the USA.

Our economic, and military / strategic interest in the area is why we continually support her without any regard for what war crimes she may actually be committing.

Want me to backup my statements? I would be more than happy to with credible news sources like BBC, Economist, Amnesty International, etc.

PS. Sharon is just as much of a radical as Arafat. Sharon, and his Likud party, have been known as the extremists over the last 20 years, and it is a shock that he has been able to stay in power for this long.

------------

Supporting articles:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE150291997

http://web.amnesty.org/web/web.../isr-180504-action-eng

Text

http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=1025

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...es/A9628-2004Oct5.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/N...-B25E-CE0368765DDD.htm [Yes, I see it is Al-Jazeera, but the Arab world is allowed to express their POV in light of Western propaganda like CNN / NYT]

http://www.newsmax.com/archive...003/10/15/121234.shtml

http://web.amnesty.org/library...04?open&amp;of=ENG-ISR

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3724361.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...iddle_east/2983911.stm

How do you figure Indian Americans make more money than Jews? The list goes on like this: 1) Jews 2) Iranians (lots of Iranian Jews in the U.S and from other M.E countries), 3) Asian/Indian/Arab (not in that order). Average Income for Jews in the U.S is $50,000 (again HIGH).
When it comes to education Jews are more likely to have a college education (65%).

By the way I am a Muslim. You cannot deny that Jews are not smart. Look what they did to Israel in only a matter of years. I am not saying their government is good. It sucks. They are so smart that they (Israel) have the U.S as their little puppy.

I got all my information from google. The census does not report Jewish income (individual reports are available for that $50,000).

I do not like what Israel does to the Palestinians. I hate it. I don't see how anyone can defend it. HOWEVER, Palestine allowed the PLO to takeover their government and Hamas is running their country. Some of the most backward minding thinking Islam could possibly produce has come out of Palestine. Without Palestine the world would not think of Islam as suicide bombers, 13 virgin heaven, Jihad, and you might even be able to say it wouldn't have given Osama a reason to start his Al Qaeda if Arafat and the Palestinians would just act normal.

 

[anxman69]

With regards to the Asian-Indians in America / Highest Income comments -- I'm basing that on recent data I read on a number of sources, but I cannot remember off the top of my head. I know for certain it said that of minority groups, Asian Indians had a mean income of $66,000 USD annually.

Again, to say something like "Jews are smart" is an ethnocentric comment in itself. You're saying that there is something intrinsic about them that makes them smarter than others -- which I don't buy. I also don't think that their ability to gain the USA as an ally makes them any 'smarter' than other countries. One could consider it an example of moral depravity that they would be willing to overlook the warcrimes of their leader (Sharon) to gain economic support in order to create a military presence to monitor the Middle East.

Furthermore, Israel is currently being run by a total lunatic and documented war criminal. I don't think that the Israeli leadership, therefore, is any 'better' than the awful Palestinian leadership.

UBL attacked the USA because of the war crimes committed by Israel / Sharon with support of the USA. You say that "you might even be able to say it wouldn't have given Osama a reason to start his Al Qaeda if Arafat and the Palestinians would just act normal" and you demonstrate your willingness to overlook the war crimes of an Israeli. Why does Huessein get tried for war crimes, while the Israeli leader is overlooked and instead given economic aid?

It doesn't add up to me. It doesn't add up to the rest of the world. This is why every other country hates us (the USA) now.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster
How do you figure Indian Americans make more money than Jews? The list goes on like this: 1) Jews 2) Iranians (lots of Iranian Jews in the U.S and from other M.E countries), 3) Asian/Indian/Arab (not in that order). Average Income for Jews in the U.S is $50,000 (again HIGH).
When it comes to education Jews are more likely to have a college education (65%).

I always thought that Indians (from India) or Chinese were the wealthiest 'minority' group in the US. Last I looked, the average Indian income was over $60,000, but maybe things have changed since then.

 

[kylef]

Originally posted by: anxman69
Furthermore, Israel is currently being run by a total lunatic and documented war criminal. I don't think that the Israeli leadership, therefore, is any 'better' than the awful Palestinian leadership.

A "total lunatic"... Glad to see you've toned down your rhetoric for a reasonable debate.

UBL attacked the USA because of the war crimes committed by Israel / Sharon with support of the USA.

Osama Bin Laden has been organizing, plotting against, and attacking the United States for more than a decade now, long before Ariel Sharon was prime minister of Israel.

The idea that Osama Bin Laden hates the US because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which you have recited, is a gigantic propaganda campaign from Al Qaeda itself, designed to rally other Islamic peoples around the world to their side. The reality is that Al Qaeda has its own goals and motivations, and seeing a free Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel is a distant second to their main goals.

Make no mistake about it: OBL hates the US because the US opposed his puppet Taliban regime in Afghanistan. OBL will use any means necessary to enforce fundamentalist Islamic law on everyone; he sees it as God's Will that he fight for that cause. This was Al Qaeda's stated goal from its inception in 1989, forming training camps throughout Afghanistan (with the Taliban's assistance), Pakistan, the Sudan, Somalia, and Kenya, to prepare its fighters for the holy war against all infidels, both Western and Eastern.

Why does Huessein get tried for war crimes, while the Israeli leader is overlooked and instead given economic aid?
It doesn't add up to me. It doesn't add up to the rest of the world. This is why every other country hates us (the USA) now.

If you think US support for Israel is why "the world" hates the US, you have a seriously distorted view of International Relations. The vast majority of the world doesn't give a damn about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Enemies of the US hate this country because it is the lone superpower. They hate the fact that the US gets its way. They hate the fact that the US has the most powerful economy in the world. They hate the fact that US culture is so popular and seems to displace their own. And they hate the US because its largest industrial economy in the world uses more resources and produces more waste than they do.

And world dictators/oppressors/fanatics especially hate the fact that the US pressures regions to move towards democracy.

That is why "the world" hates the US.

And frankly, I don't care what "the world" thinks. I support technological progress, political freedom, and economic development for the whole world. That just so happens to be what the US stands, and fights, for, despite all the rhetoric you hear to the contrary.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here come the christian soldiers to protect Israel so that the end of days will come sooner...

... the radical religious right and the jewish community certainly make strange bedfellows don't they?

Funny, considering the Jewish community in America voted for Kerry at a rate of 75% to Bush's 25%

Ah, future neoconservatives.

 

[Bumrush99]

LOL, while Osama Bin Laden was planning to attack the US, the Isreali leadership had just lost their beloved left wing dove, Rabin. What was the Palestinian response to the prospect of an aggressive push by the Israelis for peace? Targeted suicide bombings, one after the other right before the election with the purpose of derailing Peres and bringing Netanyahu to the table as a right wing hawk. Of course the right wing Netanyahu went against his instinct and tried to bring a lasting peace, what was the Palestinian response- They walked away, and during that entire time span Bin Laden was planning to attack the USA. So don't bring up the stupid argument that "Sharon" is somehow partially to blame for 9/11.

Sharon is a product of history, as is Bush in this country. The Israeli people voted for him out of fear for their lives.. Can you really blame them?