And people say the US is neutral when it comes to Israel and Palestine

[Czar]

And people wonder why Muslims in the middle east are a bit pissed at the US when it comes to this matter.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011215/wl/mideast_un_reaction_dc_1.html


<< JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel welcomed, but the Palestinians condemned, a United States veto on Saturday that killed a U.N. resolution urging international monitors in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The U.S. used its veto power for the second time this year to dismiss the proposal in the U.N. Security Council on grounds that it was biased against Israel and would not help promote the peace process shattered by 15 months of deadly clashes. >>

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< And people wonder why Muslims in the middle east are a bit pissed at the US when it comes to this matter. >>




The resolution did not condem nor even mention the recent suicide bombings. The resolution also wanted to set up an observer force to ensure Palestinian safety. No mention of Israeli safety. The US was right in vetoing this resolution. The UN has proven again it is a very pro-palestinian organaization.

 

[Czar]

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<< And people wonder why Muslims in the middle east are a bit pissed at the US when it comes to this matter. >>

The resolution did not condem nor even mention the recent suicide bombings. The resolution also wanted to set up an observer force to ensure Palestinian safety. No mention of Israeli safety. The US was right in vetoing this resolution. The UN has proven again it is a very pro-palestinian organaization. >>

When I mentioned muslims I was meaning that the US is siding with the Isralies while the Muslim Palistinians get left in the dark. And then it is your opinion that you think the UN is worthless, just your opinion.

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< And then it is your opinion that you think the UN is worthless, just your opinion. >>



Czar, Czar, Czar (shakes his head) nowhere in my post did I say I thought the UN is worthless. I did not even allude to such. I simply stated that I thought the US did the right thing and that it is my opinion that the UN as a whole is pro-palestinian. Don't put words in my mouth, there's barely enough room since I usually have both my feet in there.

 

[gar598]

Why shouldn't the US be behind Israel???? After all Palestine harbors terrorists!!!

 

[Czar]

Right sorry, I´m just so used to see people here say the Un is worthless

 

[Czar]

<< Why shouldn't the US be behind Israel???? After all Palestine harbors terrorists!!! >>


Who are the terrorists?, the palistinians have lost way more people than the Israelis have. But you are correct, the US supports Israel actions becuase Israel is fighting terrorists, if the US would tell them to stop they would be saying that the US is allowed to fight terrorists but others not.

 

[gar598]

notice I said "harboring" terrorists...meaning not all Palestinians are terrorist....


What is hamas? a peace making non-profit organization??????????

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Why shouldn't the US be behind Israel???? After all Palestine harbors terrorists!!! >>



One mans terrorist is another mans freedom-fighter. It's all matter of perspective.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

I do not even know why the US claims to be neutral on this matter when the US funds the israeli's and not the palistinians and claims the palistinians are wrong... (I am pushing for evil but I have not heard Bush call them that yet...)

 

[gar598]

<<One mans terrorist is another mans freedom-fighter. It's all matter of perspective>>

Well if your persepctive of a freedom fighter is someone who blows-up innocent people, then you have a major problem.

 

[ElFenix]

if the UN is pro-palestinian and the US is neutral then the US could veto this resolution and it would not conflict with neutrality as long as it was vetoed on grounds that it was too pro-palestinian.


personally i blame ariel sharon for most of the recent violence. rather astute political move on his part, though, touching off violence to get himself elected as the man to correct it.

 

[gar598]

<<personally i blame ariel sharon for most of the recent violence. rather astute political move on his part, though, touching off violence to get himself elected as the man to correct it. >>


How can you blame Sharon??? Did he personally invite the "terrorist" to come into his country and blow theirselves up just to gain support? The only person to blame is Arafat. He simply can't control his own people.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< <<One mans terrorist is another mans freedom-fighter. It's all matter of perspective>>

Well if your persepctive of a freedom fighter is someone who blows-up innocent people, then you have a major problem. >>



Did I say that I consider the terrorists to be freedom-figters? Kindly show me a quote where I made that claim. What I meant is that to palestinians, the bombers are freedom-fighters, to Israel and USA they are terrorists. I bet that palestinians think that IDF-soldiers are terrorists, because they fire missiles from gunships (killing innocents), bulldoze homes, shoot live rounds at kids throwing stones, drive tanks to palestinians towns, protect settlers who illegally steal palestinians land...

Like I said, it's a matter of perspective.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< <<personally i blame ariel sharon for most of the recent violence. rather astute political move on his part, though, touching off violence to get himself elected as the man to correct it. >>


How can you blame Sharon??? Did he personally invite the "terrorist" to come into his country and blow theirselves up just to gain support? The only person to blame is Arafat. He simply can't control his own people. >>



Not really, when Rabin was in power, things were peaceful. Both sides really wanted peace and progress was made. But then Rabin was shot by a jewish extremist, and peace-talks fell apart. And things got even worse when Sharon got elected (if you are interested, find out why palestinians gave him the nickname "The Butcher").

If Sharon wanted peace, he could have it. But he's a right-wing hardliner, peace is not propable while he's in power.

 

[Random Variable]

Like I said in my other thread, the proposal would protect the Palestinian people while suicide bombers (under the direction of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad) blew up Israeli civilians. The proposal was so slanted. :disgust:

 

[josphII]

<< << JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel welcomed, but the Palestinians condemned, a United States veto on Saturday that killed a U.N. resolution urging international monitors in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. >>



please explain to me why the UN should be monitoring ISRAELY LAND

 

[Czar]

<< Like I said in my other thread, the proposal would protect the Palestinian people while suicide bombers (under the direction of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad) blew up Israeli civilians. The proposal was so slanted. :disgust: >>


The Israely army is there to protect Israelis from terrorist attacks. The Palistininas have nothing to protect them from the Israeli army.



<< please explain to me why the UN should be monitoring ISRAELY LAND >>


So in your head all of the land there is under Israeli control?? wtf.. the gaza strip and the West Bank is under Palestine rule and is Palistine country.

 

[Jzero]

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<< << JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel welcomed, but the Palestinians condemned, a United States veto on Saturday that killed a U.N. resolution urging international monitors in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. >>



please explain to me why the UN should be monitoring ISRAELY LAND >>



A) The UN sends people in to monitor, inspect and keep peace in member nations the world over. It's part of their job.
B) The UN CREATED Israel in 1947-48 so I imagine they have a strong desire to keep the peace.

 

[Random Variable]

<< The Israely army is there to protect Israelis from terrorist attacks. The Palistininas have nothing to protect them from the Israeli army. >>


After reading hundreds of your posts, I have one question to ask you: Are most people living in Iceland as anti-American and anti-Israeli as you are?

 

[Tates]

Must be nice living in a neutral country, passing judgement on the rest of the world........

 

[Lucky]

<<

<< The Israely army is there to protect Israelis from terrorist attacks. The Palistininas have nothing to protect them from the Israeli army. >>


After reading hundreds of your posts, I have one question to ask you: Are most people living in Iceland as anti-American and anti-Israeli as you are? >>




how the f is that anti american or anti israeli? If you were going to pick any one of czars posts to start baggin on him, surely you could have found one that would actually be demonstrative of him showing anti-american/isreali opinions!!!

 

[Random Variable]

<< how the f is that anti american or anti israeli? If you were going to pick any one of czars posts to start baggin on him, surely you could have found one that would actually be demonstrative of him showing anti-american/isreali opinions!!! >>


Not you again. Go find someone else to yell at.

 

[Czar]

Vespasian,
I´m not anti israel, I just am very much against how they are dealing with the problem, most people I know here agree with that. I´m also not anti american, I am just very much against how the US deals with some countries, and most people here agree with that. And may I remind you, many people in your country agree with that too.


edit.. I´v also found out that anyone in the US who critizes their own goverments actions is considered as a stupid liberal, stupid republican, terrorist, aiding terrorists. And people who dont live in the US are considered anti american, a terrorist (yes a member of this board has called me a terrorist for stating my views), aiding terrorism and whatnot. Is something wrong with this pattern?

 

[tm37]

Well the US is for a peace

But for a peace both sides to to accept that they both can survive.

Isreal GAVE over 70% of their land to palistine.

Palistine wants there to be NO ISREAL.

Unless there are no Jews the hardline palistine will continue to fight isreal.