And of course, no one can get shot without some mention of gun control...

[Zorkorist]

He put his hands in his pocket! He had a bazooka in there, so I shot him.

-John

 

[irishScott]

Stop troll bumping my thread please.

 

[PrinceofWands]

What's really scary is a cop catching you with a gun. Permit or not. My guess is you have 50/50 chance to live.

-John

?? Do you mean in general or someone/something specific? Because I've interacted with cops at least a couple dozen times while armed, and they couldn't care less.

 

[Nebor]

What's really scary is a cop catching you with a gun. Permit or not. My guess is you have 50/50 chance to live.

-John

... wut?

 

[irishScott]

Zorkorist is trolling guys. Ignore him.

 

[Zorkorist]

?? Do you mean in general or someone/something specific? Because I've interacted with cops at least a couple times dozen times while armed, and they couldn't care less.

I mean specifically, when a cop asks you if you are armed, and you say "yes I am," they will immediately freak out, hand-cuff you, for your protection, etc.

Cops couldn't care more about weapons. Their life is at risk.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Count yourself lucky for not being shot... a couple dozen times.

-John

 

[nick1985]

Count yourself lucky for not being shot... a couple dozen times.

-John

No, you just dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[Nebor]

I mean specifically, when a cop asks you if you are armed, and you say "yes I am," they will immediately freak out, hand-cuff you, for your protection, etc.

Cops couldn't care more about weapons. Their life is at risk.

-John

That's simply not true. The only time I've ever had a negative response to identifying the fact that I was armed and presenting my concealed handgun license was with a couple of fresh University of Texas cops.

 

[xj0hnx]

What's really scary is a cop catching you with a gun. Permit or not. My guess is you have 50/50 chance to live.

-John

Huh? Um ...no. Permit equals no problem at all. If you get pulled over you hand them your permit with your license, they'll ask you where the firearm is, you tell them, and chances are they won't even ask to see it, much less take it from you during the stop.

 

[Zorkorist]

Maybe so, that sounds like an ideal situation.

But in most situations, where a cop sees a gun, he will shoot first and ask quesrions later.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

That's simply not true. The only time I've ever had a negative response to identifying the fact that I was armed and presenting my concealed handgun license was with a couple of fresh University of Texas cops.

Did you almost get shot?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

?? Do you mean in general or someone/something specific? Because I've interacted with cops at least a couple dozen times while armed, and they couldn't care less.

Obviously you are Fed or State Government.

People don't just "interact" with cops. It's an adversarial relationship.

-John

 

[bfdd]

For all you hysterically delicate flowers, this cup of faux offense and rage is for YOU:

stupid comic is stupid.

you are statistically more likely to kill yourself than be the victim of a homicide, in fact TWO times more likely. Why be worried about a gun? Scared you're going to use it on yourself?

 

[Zorkorist]

You might worry about a gun, if you are facing a police officer.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Never mind the 2nd Amendment, where the peoples right to bear arms is guaranteed.

-John

 

[hal2kilo]

Cut the crap, both the legislative and judicial have been whittling away at the 4th for quite some time, often with agreement from the far right and sometimes the right in general.

Furthermore, you go ahead and shoot some cops performing an "illegal search and seizure" and see how that works out for you. IF (and this is a real big if) you survive the situation I highly doubt that you will have the legal system on your side. Hell, plenty of innocent people have been shot during searches that were illegal in one way or another and rarely do you hear about any criminal charges being brought against the police or those who improperly issued a warrant.

Still, the main point is that up until now you are completely wrong.

I see you live in the world of reality.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31089176&postcount=292

 

[Zorkorist]

.. and you are happy about that? That the right to be safe in your home, and free from search and seizure is being corrupted?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

-John

 

[hal2kilo]

.. and you are happy about that? That the right to be safe in your home, and free from search and seizure is being corrupted?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

-John

If you are addressing my post, absolutely not. I just think it's silly that people think their guns are going to protect them from this happening to them.

 

[Zorkorist]

Their guns will protect them. It's the Government or Cops that are out of control.

-John

 

[Nebor]

Did you almost get shot?

-John

No. They asked me if I could step out of the car so they could disarm me. I showed them a different set of credentials and they backed down.

 

[Modelworks]

I mean specifically, when a cop asks you if you are armed, and you say "yes I am," they will immediately freak out, hand-cuff you, for your protection, etc.

Cops couldn't care more about weapons. Their life is at risk.

-John

Untrue. I have lots of friends that are cops. I even was with one of them when he was headed home and saw a drunk driver. Guy was all over the white line, on and off road so he stopped him. Normally they aren't suppose to perform law enforcement with a passenger, but with someone that bad they have to.
He pulled the guy and asked if there were weapons in the car and the guy said there were. He asked him what is it and where is it at. The guy told him it was in the center console and my friend just asked the guy to slowly get out of the car and not go near the console. No problems at all.

Really the thing that they tell me gets them nervous is people that act confrontational the second you start to talk to them whether they have a gun or not. Keep your voice down and calm and most cops aren't a problem.

 

[werepossum]

Untrue. I have lots of friends that are cops. I even was with one of them when he was headed home and saw a drunk driver. Guy was all over the white line, on and off road so he stopped him. Normally they aren't suppose to perform law enforcement with a passenger, but with someone that bad they have to.
He pulled the guy and asked if there were weapons in the car and the guy said there were. He asked him what is it and where is it at. The guy told him it was in the center console and my friend just asked the guy to slowly get out of the car and not go near the console. No problems at all.

Really the thing that they tell me gets them nervous is people that act confrontational the second you start to talk to them whether they have a gun or not. Keep your voice down and calm and most cops aren't a problem.

The key to dealing with cops is to remember that since a cop has a gun and a club and a badge that says he can use them, cops should always be treated with respect and kid gloves. People who are non-confrontational and say "yes sir" and "no sir" (which a well bred southerner is going to do anyway) seldom have bad experiences with cops unless they are blatantly committing a crime. Even those cops who are total assholes will usually treat you reasonably well if respected. Have to say though, I've been pulled over a dozen or so times and never once been asked if I have weapons in the car. Even when I was once pulled over coming home from deer hunting, the cop only asked if I'd been hunting and what kind of gun I had in the case.

 

[Scotteq]

Untrue. I have lots of friends that are cops. I even was with one of them when he was headed home and saw a drunk driver. Guy was all over the white line, on and off road so he stopped him. Normally they aren't suppose to perform law enforcement with a passenger, but with someone that bad they have to.
He pulled the guy and asked if there were weapons in the car and the guy said there were. He asked him what is it and where is it at. The guy told him it was in the center console and my friend just asked the guy to slowly get out of the car and not go near the console. No problems at all.

Really the thing that they tell me gets them nervous is people that act confrontational the second you start to talk to them whether they have a gun or not. Keep your voice down and calm and most cops aren't a problem.

The key to dealing with cops is to remember that since a cop has a gun and a club and a badge that says he can use them, cops should always be treated with respect and kid gloves. People who are non-confrontational and say "yes sir" and "no sir" (which a well bred southerner is going to do anyway) seldom have bad experiences with cops unless they are blatantly committing a crime. Even those cops who are total assholes will usually treat you reasonably well if respected. Have to say though, I've been pulled over a dozen or so times and never once been asked if I have weapons in the car. Even when I was once pulled over coming home from deer hunting, the cop only asked if I'd been hunting and what kind of gun I had in the case.

Here in the Socialist Republik of New Jersey: You can't have a weapon in the cab at all, unless you are one of those rare individuals who actually have been granted a CCW.

It's not written, but the etiquette is to hand over your weapon permit along with your licence, registration, and insurance card. Respectfully follow the Officer's instructions from there.

 

[nick1985]

unless you are one of those rare individuals who actually have been granted a CCW.

I live in one of 2 states where its impossible to obtain a CCW.

FAIL