And Obama loses another nominee

[halik]

I think the fact that Obama is associating with Rahm Emanuel should be enough to show how well the "most favoured nation" concept works in practice.

That being said, that guy had way to many close buddies in saudi and china to be impartial.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Craig234

JediYoda, the incivility of your post has cost you any direct reply. Don't consider another word a reply to you, and I'm not interested any further in any comments you have.

On the topic of the fear of most politicians in general, however, to criticize Israel, we can cite some excertps from the Wiki entry.

Of course, there aren't comments on Congressmemebres' blogs saying "let me share my fear of criticizing Israel" to cite.

But let's start with the media - it's interesting that in a 'news' story about the public figure's criticism of the excessive power of the Israel lobby to dominate the message, the story takes on a tone to discredit the public official. It implies he's some sort of nut - not in an editorial but in a news story, ironically providing evidence the public figure was correct.

American journalist Michael Massing argues that there is a lack of media coverage on the Israel lobby and posits this explanation: "Why the blackout? For one thing, reporting on these groups is not easy. AIPAC's power makes potential sources reluctant to discuss the organization on the record, and employees who leave it usually sign pledges of silence. AIPAC officials themselves rarely give interviews, and the organization even resists divulging its board of directors."[30] Massing writes that in addition to AIPAC's efforts to maintain a low profile, "journalists, meanwhile, are often loath to write about the influence of organized Jewry. [...] In the end, though, the main obstacle to covering these groups is fear."

But let's let the former AIPAC director say something on the matter:

According to Morris Amitay, former AIPAC director ?It?s almost politically suicidal?for a member of Congress who wants to seek reelection to take any stand that might be interpreted as anti-policy of the conservative Israeli government.?[41] Michael Massing reports that a staffer sympathetic to Israel told him ?We can count on well over half the House ? 250 to 300 members ? to do reflexively whatever AIPAC wants.?[42] AIPAC official Steven Rosen in an illustration of AIPAC?s power to journalist Jeffery Goldberg put a napkin in front of him and said, ?In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.?

Now, having pretty clearly provided some statements supporting the claim - I'll moderate it.

The following is not an unreasonable summary::

Michael Lind produced a cover piece on the Israel lobby for the UK publication Prospect in 2002 which concluded "The truth about America?s Israel lobby is this: it is not all-powerful, but it is still far too powerful for the good of the U.S. and its alliances in the Middle East and elsewhere."

It may seem funny how these quotes so exactly match what I'd written, but I'd never seen them when I wrote my post.

Is Noam Chomsky a 'credible source' on the topic? Ah, too bad, since he's expressing a 'moderate' view.

Noam Chomsky, political activist and professor of linguistics at MIT, writes that "there are far more powerful interests that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms industry and other special interests whose lobbying influence and campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist lobby and its allied donors to congressional races."[50]

Eric Alterman writes in The Nation, that "while it's fair to call AIPAC obnoxious and even anti-democratic, the same can often be said about, say, the NRA, Big Pharma and other powerful lobbies."[51] Zbigniew Brzezinski agreed stating that "[t]he participation of ethnic or foreign supported lobbies in the American policy process is nothing new." Brzezinski ranks the three most effective ethnic lobbies in the United States as the Israeli American Lobby, the Cuban American lobby and the Armenian American lobby.[52]

The excellent Glenn Greenwald again adds a lot to the topic, with his post linking the issue with the problem of excessive anonymity for sources by journalists:

Glenn Greenwald

So, I think the quotes above provide a somewhat fair summary of the situation.

sad that you of all people actually believe that we have anything to fear from Israel!
The incivility of my post was a response to incivility in general concerning israel. The truth hurts huh?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Craig234
The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.

There is no Israeli lobby. Even Mr. Freeman called it an Israel Lobby, which is not made up of Israelis, but of Christians and right wingers, and some rich US Jews. Israel doesn't have any power in the US except what we give them. They don't have oil or billions of dollars in exports to us. They provide a nice strategic position for us, the sole functioning democracy in the region which the US claims they support, and the jews need to be there for the rapture to happen.

Fair enough, when I say Israel lobby, I mean Israel as the cause, not Israel as the lobbyists. It is confusing if that isn't understood as the context.

Israel provides a bit more for us - they act sort of as our agent at time, in ways - one of the foolishg things about Reagan's Iran-Contra was how it used Israel as the middleman initially for the delivery of the missiles to Iran, secretly. Talk about indebting us inappropriately - bit surprise, huh, that in the same general time frame we saw fit to send US Marines to help Israel occupy Lebanon.

We owed Israel more, secretly, than is a good idea.

 

[brownzilla786]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

By being pro-Israel we are being pro-American!!
By a balanced middle east policy you mean where we abandon israel and embrace those who would see Israel driven ionto the ocean then NO we don`t want a balanced middle east policy!
Pro- Israeli pressure alone was NOT totally responsible for Mr Freeman being denied the top US Inteliegence post!!
Mr freeman`s stand on the Chinese government and Tiananmen Square...
No we don`t need to reclaim nothing!!!
American foreign policy is still American foreign policy!!
Your anti Israeli bigotry is way to obvious.
Freeman was NOT the man for the job!!

Wow, it's as if an AIPAC Talking-Point Generator spat out some text, and a crazy purple-haired senior lady started screaming them at you in a super-market!

I'm in awe. Shock, and awe.

It's hard to take him seriously

 

[gevorg]

The moral of the story is simple:

If you're not pro-israel, you're anti-semite!

 

[Mani]

More evidence that we are Israel's bitch.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Craig234
The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.

There is no Israeli lobby. Even Mr. Freeman called it an Israel Lobby, which is not made up of Israelis, but of Christians and right wingers, and some rich US Jews. Israel doesn't have any power in the US except what we give them. They don't have oil or billions of dollars in exports to us. They provide a nice strategic position for us, the sole functioning democracy in the region which the US claims they support, and the jews need to be there for the rapture to happen.

Your Kidding right. Look up Rothschild. A KAZAR JEW!

Who financed The Germans during WWI = Rothschild.

Who financed The British during WWI = Rothschild.

Who finaciaced all players in the west . During WWII = Rothschild

Who made the deal with the Britts for Palastien in WWI = Rothschild

Who was it that was a leader in the setup of the Israel of today = Rothschild.

Who Built the Israel Hall of Justic League LOL= Rothschild.

Who is worlds Richest Family = Rothschild

Who is world most powerful banker = Rothchild

Who among a few other men are untouchable by WORLD LAW= ROTHSCHILD. How did this happen? How is it he is untouchable? Its all about being in our faces about who they are and who we are.

Its like the Kennedy warning ignored for so long . But its likely the reason he was murdered.

Or the 9/11 thing it wasn't about the towers. But selling America on a story that just doesn't add up . They did it . I might add. Truely sad.

Or its like how Bush 1 said WE are working towards a one world government . and we will succedd he said.

Thats in your face man . Those were words of treason. Who's this WE he speaks of.

Or how Bush 2 acts the part of an idiot per nostradumias prediction . Only an idiot would flip off america . While at the same time. Sit in grade school class and not react when told about 9/11 . Commander and chief my ass.
Bush was in your Face AMERICA and you let him pass.

Now Obama. So faar lots of broken promises and NO fulfilled ones. Akk I know I old . No matter what I not paying for this health care scam . I will just benefit . GO obama.

It been in your face America ever since JFK.

But A change you can believe in is coming. It can't be stopped now . Middle America is Awakening. I really don't want no part of whats about to transpire . But alot of white collar people going to die. All bankers Congressman . Senators. President . All going to go down in the purging of societies diesease the rich and powerful . But we have awoken . The only power you have is what we give you. Well were taken it away . I won't take part . But my heart well be with AMERICANS. Not the traitors.


Bottom line is Rothschild and friends are in your face America . We are in his pocket.
I would say Jews have more control and say than lot believe . Rothschild is King and you are his willing sevant. To deny this . Is the same as saying water isn't a life requirment for us.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
[...]

But A change you can believe in is coming. It can't be stopped now . Middle America is Awakening. I really don't want no part of whats about to transpire . But alot of white collar people going to die. All bankers Congressman . Senators. President . All going to go down in the purging of societies diesease the rich and powerful . But we have awoken . The only power you have is what we give you. Well were taken it away . I won't take part . But my heart well be with AMERICANS. Not the traitors.


Bottom line is Rothschild and friends are in your face America . We are in his pocket.
I would say Jews have more control and say than lot believe . Rothschild is King and you are his willing sevant. To deny this . Is the same as saying water isn't a life requirment for us.

Wow.

Okay, time to let the other inmates in the asylum use the computer.