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Are our priorities being pro american or pro israeli? This is ridiculous IMO. This is why we cannot ever have a balanced Mid East policy - anyone who thinks otherwise is booted out of the government by pro isreali pressure! We need to reclaim Amercan foreign policy for AMERICA, not for Israel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7938277.stm

The Obama administration's candidate for a top US intelligence post has withdrawn, after his past criticism of Israel came under heavy fire.

Charles Freeman had been named to head the National Intelligence Council, which produces security assessments.

But his comments about Israel, as well as links to China and Saudi Arabia, had enraged dozens of US lawmakers.

Mr Freeman said he did not think the council could work effectively "while its chair was under constant attack".

It is the latest embarrassment for President Barack Obama, who has seen a number of appointees withdraw or forced out.

Some observers are interpreting it as a test case of the Obama administration's willingness to stand up to powerful pro-Israeli forces in US politics.

'Strong views'

National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair - who originally selected Mr Freeman for the post - said he was accepting his resignation "with regret".


The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency
Charles Freeman
Only hours earlier he had been defending him as a "person of strong views, of an inventive mind and the analytical point of view", which Mr Blair said he preferred to "pre-cooked" judgements.

Mr Freeman has served as a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, a senior diplomat in China and an assistant secretary of defence.

His background and past statements had caused dozens of members of Congress - mainly Republican - to question his appointment.

Among their stated concerns were:

* Remarks attributed to Mr Freeman in 2007, in which he said: "The brutal oppression of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation shows no signs of ending," and "American identification with Israel has become total"
* His position on the international advisory board of a Chinese state-owned oil company
* His presidency of the Middle East Policy Council, a think-tank that received funding from Saudi Arabia.

On Monday, all seven members of the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a letter to Mr Blair expressing consternation about his appointment.

They joined a chorus of complaint from members of the House of Representatives.

Several of them applauded his withdrawal, including Democratic Senator Charles Schumer.

"Charles Freeman was the wrong guy for this position. His statements against Israel were way over the top and severely out of step with the administration," he said in a statement.

'Libellous distortions'

In a message posted on the website of Foreign Policy magazine, Mr Freeman said he believed the "barrage of libellous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office...

"I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country".

He said the incident showed "Americans cannot any longer conduct a serious public discussion or exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance".

And he blamed the campaign against him on the "Israel Lobby", which he said used tactics which "plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency".

The NIC releases influential annual national intelligence assessments, supposed to reflect the consensus of multiple different US intelligence agencies.

But they are not always without controversy - such as a 2002 assessment which concluded that Iraq was continuing to produce weapons of mass destruction, and which helped the Bush administration justify the case for war.
 

JEDIYoda

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Are our priorities being pro american or pro israeli? This is ridiculous IMO. This is why we cannot ever have a balanced Mid East policy - anyone who thinks otherwise is booted out of the government by pro isreali pressure! We need to reclaim Amercan foreign policy for AMERICA, not for Israel.

By being pro-Israel we are being pro-American!!
By a balanced middle east policy you mean where we abandon israel and embrace those who would see Israel driven ionto the ocean then NO we don`t want a balanced middle east policy!
Pro- Israeli pressure alone was NOT totally responsible for Mr Freeman being denied the top US Inteliegence post!!
Mr freeman`s stand on the Chinese government and Tiananmen Square...
No we don`t need to reclaim nothing!!!
American foreign policy is still American foreign policy!!
Your anti Israeli bigotry is way to obvious.
Freeman was NOT the man for the job!!

If you go to other sources---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomb...oomberg/aumivsbrfxf8_1
Freeman was in the final stages of getting security clearance to head the council, which helps put together National Intelligence Estimates about potential threats around the world and foreign policy issues for the president and head of intelligence services.

His withdrawal was the culmination of weeks of criticism from Republican and Democratic lawmakers and pro- Israel lobbyists who questioned Freeman?s objectivity on issues in the Middle East. Some lawmakers also questioned his views on China.

In a letter to supporters yesterday, Freeman said he withdrew because of a concerted effort by pro-Israel lobbyists to spread ?libelous distortions? about his experience. ?The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth,? Freeman wrote.

Lawmakers who opposed his appointment were unapologetic.

?His statements against Israel were way over the top and severely out of step with the administration,? Senator Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, said in a statement after the withdrawal was announced.

Republicans said they were concerned that Freeman was president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington- based group they said was funded by Saudi Arabia. Freeman also drew fire from critics for having been a member of the International Advisory Board of Cnooc Ltd., China?s biggest offshore oil explorer.

Investigation

Last week, Edward Maguire, the inspector general for Blair?s office, agreed to look into questions about Freeman?s financial ties to Saudi Arabia at the request of 10 House lawmakers, including Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio.

?Given his close ties to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, we request a comprehensive review,? they wrote on March 3.


 

Craig234

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What a tragedy. Israel has too much influence over our political system. It's to the point of putting Israel ahead of our own citizens, not when Israel is right but when they're wrong.

It undermines our moral standing and our credibility throughout the world to be so compromised as to almost be the agent for the nation of Irael, right or wrong.

The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Craig234
The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.

They should live in terror of the American people.

Of course that isn't reality. And the fault lies directly with the American people.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: bamacre

They should live in terror of the American people.

Of course that isn't reality. And the fault lies directly with the American people.

Speaking figuratively, I agree with you on the first line.

On the second, there's plenty of blame to go around.

Any systme of power has tensions between competing interests. One of those interests is the egalitarian 'power to the people' interest, and another is the few most wealthy interest.

You are going to have money and culture and many factors pushing things one way or another. The citizens have blame, but not all the blame.

There are powerful forces working to herd the voters like sheep, and it takes a lot of time and energy for voters to get past those efforts.

How many people in this forum have read a dozen current issues books in the last year - not many, and this forum has above average political interest people.

Combine the people not putting the time in to get informed, and the power of the influencers, and you get a broken democracy.

You can fix things by either the system being improved or citizens becoming vigilant, but IMO the only practical one of those two is fixing the system.

Citizens have changed little from the time of Greece and Rome.
 

irishScott

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The only reason I'm pro-Israel is because Israel is.. um... sane? Most of the rest aren't.

That said, the Israeli government is not a collection of woefully besieged saints either, as many would like to paint them. Hamas may be crazy, but Israel isn't doing much to help.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: irishScott
The only reason I'm pro-Israel is because Israel is.. um... sane? Most of the rest aren't.

Israel has diversity, as do others.

There are people who hold similar views to mine who are Jews in Israel; and there are maniacs who are settles specifically out of an incredible hatred for Palestenians.

You can see those rabid, violent people screaning, illegally pushing further onto Palestinian lands, and sometimes even fighitng the Israeli forces themselves at time.

They're not 'sane' any more than the people you are concerned about.

On the other hand, look for example at the doctor in Gaza who was treating Jews, a regular commentary on a Jewish TV channel, whose daughters were bombed.

Was he 'not sane'?

You are only showing your own falling for stereotypes.

That said, the Israeli government is not a collection of woefully besieged saints either, as many would like to paint them. Hamas may be crazy, but Israel isn't doing much to help.

You're not entirely one-sided - and there are plenty of people who are doing very bad things on the Palestenian side. Israel is right to feel threatened by some.
 

morkinva

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The full statement of Mr. Freeman, a real American:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...s-israel_n_173740.html


You will by now have seen the statement by Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair reporting that I have withdrawn my previous acceptance of his invitation to chair the National Intelligence Council.

I have concluded that the barrage of libelous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office. The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue. I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country. I agreed to chair the NIC to strengthen it and protect it against politicization, not to introduce it to efforts by a special interest group to assert control over it through a protracted political campaign.

As those who know me are well aware, I have greatly enjoyed life since retiring from government. Nothing was further from my mind than a return to public service. When Admiral Blair asked me to chair the NIC I responded that I understood he was "asking me to give my freedom of speech, my leisure, the greater part of my income, subject myself to the mental colonoscopy of a polygraph, and resume a daily commute to a job with long working hours and a daily ration of political abuse." I added that I wondered "whether there wasn't some sort of downside to this offer." I was mindful that no one is indispensable; I am not an exception. It took weeks of reflection for me to conclude that, given the unprecedentedly challenging circumstances in which our country now finds itself abroad and at home, I had no choice but accept the call to return to public service. I thereupon resigned from all positions that I had held and all activities in which I was engaged. I now look forward to returning to private life, freed of all previous obligations.

I am not so immodest as to believe that this controversy was about me rather than issues of public policy. These issues had little to do with the NIC and were not at the heart of what I hoped to contribute to the quality of analysis available to President Obama and his administration. Still, I am saddened by what the controversy and the manner in which the public vitriol of those who devoted themselves to sustaining it have revealed about the state of our civil society. It is apparent that we Americans cannot any longer conduct a serious public discussion or exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance to our country as well as to our allies and friends.

The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show conclusively that there is a powerful lobby determined to prevent any view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East. The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth. The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors.

There is a special irony in having been accused of improper regard for the opinions of foreign governments and societies by a group so clearly intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government - in this case, the government of Israel. I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for US policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten the existence of the state of Israel. It is not permitted for anyone in the United States to say so. This is not just a tragedy for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing widening damage to the national security of the United States.

The outrageous agitation that followed the leak of my pending appointment will be seen by many to raise serious questions about whether the Obama administration will be able to make its own decisions about the Middle East and related issues. I regret that my willingness to serve the new administration has ended by casting doubt on its ability to consider, let alone decide what policies might best serve the interests of the United States rather than those of a Lobby intent on enforcing the will and interests of a foreign government.

In the court of public opinion, unlike a court of law, one is guilty until proven innocent. The speeches from which quotations have been lifted from their context are available for anyone interested in the truth to read. The injustice of the accusations made against me has been obvious to those with open minds. Those who have sought to impugn my character are uninterested in any rebuttal that I or anyone else might make.

Still, for the record: I have never sought to be paid or accepted payment from any foreign government, including Saudi Arabia or China, for any service, nor have I ever spoken on behalf of a foreign government, its interests, or its policies. I have never lobbied any branch of our government for any cause, foreign or domestic. I am my own man, no one else's, and with my return to private life, I will once again - to my pleasure - serve no master other than myself. I will continue to speak out as I choose on issues of concern to me and other Americans.

I retain my respect and confidence in President Obama and DNI Blair. Our country now faces terrible challenges abroad as well as at home. Like all patriotic Americans, I continue to pray that our president can successfully lead us in surmounting them.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: irishScott
The only reason I'm pro-Israel is because Israel is.. um... sane? Most of the rest aren't.

Israel has diversity, as do others.

There are people who hold similar views to mine who are Jews in Israel; and there are maniacs who are settles specifically out of an incredible hatred for Palestenians.

You can see those rabid, violent people screaning, illegally pushing further onto Palestinian lands, and sometimes even fighitng the Israeli forces themselves at time.

They're not 'sane' any more than the people you are concerned about.

On the other hand, look for example at the doctor in Gaza who was treating Jews, a regular commentary on a Jewish TV channel, whose daughters were bombed.

Was he 'not sane'?

You are only showing your own falling for stereotypes.

That said, the Israeli government is not a collection of woefully besieged saints either, as many would like to paint them. Hamas may be crazy, but Israel isn't doing much to help.

You're not entirely one-sided - and there are plenty of people who are doing very bad things on the Palestenian side. Israel is right to feel threatened by some.

Fine, I'll limit my nouns to "The Israeli Government" and "Hamas", the latter of which happens to be the elected government of Palestine.

On an individual level you're probably right. There are exceptions to every rule. That said, if a nation elects a government whose primary purpose is to wipe another country off the map by placing Katyusha rocket launchers outside schools full of innocents, then yes. I start having problems with the majority of said populace, namely the majority whom elected said crazy government.

Israel builds settlements. Hamas decides to launch rockets. If they'd actually calm down and try to gain a few international allies for political leverage and such they might actually get somewhere, but as long as they keep this militant stance they're not going to get shit.

 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Craig234
What a tragedy. Israel has too much influence over our political system. It's to the point of putting Israel ahead of our own citizens, not when Israel is right but when they're wrong.

I see nothing tragic about this......Israel was not the sole reason this joker was denied the post. I am sorry if you feel the government is putting israel ahead of our citizens. You make the statement yet can you tell me or lead me to some credible sources as to how Israel is being put ahead of our own citizens? Your rehtoric is getting old.


It undermines our moral standing and our credibility throughout the world to be so compromised as to almost be the agent for the nation of Irael, right or wrong.

I don`t believe that in the least. What undermines our credibility is when citizens like you make such dumb and absurd statements.


The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.

yeah right....and I thought winnar111 was the sensational person.....you have links that prove our politicians are living in terror of the Israeli lobby?
lol..I guess not..hahaha
 

QuantumPion

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Him sitting on China's offshore oil company board didnt help either.

Yeah...didn't this guy receive millions of dollars in under the table dealings with the Saudi's and Chinese? And now he wants to be come the NIA chair? And when the Washington Times uncovers his blatantly corrupt dealings (the story was ignored in almost every other news outlet), he quietly withdraws his position. And now, in true Obama form ("can't let a good tragedy go to waste"), he turns around and blames Israel.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Him sitting on China's offshore oil company board didnt help either.

No Genx, it was the jews. Always those pesky jews! :roll:
 

QuantumPion

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: Genx87
Him sitting on China's offshore oil company board didnt help either.

Yeah...didn't this guy receive millions of dollars in under the table dealings with the Saudi's and Chinese? And now he wants to be come the NIA chair? And when the Washington Times uncovers his blatantly corrupt dealings (the story was ignored in almost every other news outlet), he quietly withdraws his position. And now, in true Obama form ("can't let a good tragedy go to waste"), he turns around and blames Israel.

Oh yeah this was also the guy whom criticized the Chinese government for not putting down the Tienanmen Square protesters faster and letting it become a powerful symbol of democracy. From The washington post http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1/AR2009031103384.html :

FORMER ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. looked like a poor choice to chair the Obama administration's National Intelligence Council. A former envoy to Saudi Arabia and China, he suffered from an extreme case of clientitis on both accounts. In addition to chiding Beijing for not crushing the Tiananmen Square democracy protests sooner and offering sycophantic paeans to Saudi King "Abdullah the Great," Mr. Freeman headed a Saudi-funded Middle East advocacy group in Washington and served on the advisory board of a state-owned Chinese oil company. It was only reasonable to ask -- as numerous members of Congress had begun to do -- whether such an actor was the right person to oversee the preparation of National Intelligence Estimates.

It wasn't until Mr. Freeman withdrew from consideration for the job, however, that it became clear just how bad a selection Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair had made. Mr. Freeman issued a two-page screed on Tuesday in which he described himself as the victim of a shadowy and sinister "Lobby" whose "tactics plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency" and which is "intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government." Yes, Mr. Freeman was referring to Americans who support Israel -- and his statement was a grotesque libel.

So, I think the subtitle for this topic should be changed from "because he isn't vociferously pro Israel..." to "because he is a corrupt anti-semitic kook who is on the payroll of the the nations whom he would be in charge of writing intelligence reports about".
 

OCGuy

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It is amazing to see how far the BBC is slanted, leading with thier anti-Israeli crap instead of his past ties with China.
 

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You guys can spin this all you want, AIPAC, Marty Peretz, Chuck Schumer, and confirmed traitor Steve Rosen who is going on trial soon for spying on the US for Israel, sunk this nomination.

This has been glanced over by the MSM for obvious reasons but has been documented in detail here:

Salon

Among other places.

It has nothing to do with China or the Saudis, that's convenient cover.

"Of course I recognize that the Israel lobby is powerful, and was a key element in the pushback against Freeman, and that it is not always a force for good."

Quote from Jonathon Chait who works for Peretz.

Read it for yourselves suckers.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Oh yeah this was also the guy whom criticized the Chinese government for not putting down the Tienanmen Square protesters faster and letting it become a powerful symbol of democracy. From The washington post http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1/AR2009031103384.html :

FORMER ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. looked like a poor choice to chair the Obama administration's National Intelligence Council. A former envoy to Saudi Arabia and China, he suffered from an extreme case of clientitis on both accounts. In addition to chiding Beijing for not crushing the Tiananmen Square democracy protests sooner and offering sycophantic paeans to Saudi King "Abdullah the Great," Mr. Freeman headed a Saudi-funded Middle East advocacy group in Washington and served on the advisory board of a state-owned Chinese oil company. It was only reasonable to ask -- as numerous members of Congress had begun to do -- whether such an actor was the right person to oversee the preparation of National Intelligence Estimates.

It wasn't until Mr. Freeman withdrew from consideration for the job, however, that it became clear just how bad a selection Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair had made. Mr. Freeman issued a two-page screed on Tuesday in which he described himself as the victim of a shadowy and sinister "Lobby" whose "tactics plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency" and which is "intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government." Yes, Mr. Freeman was referring to Americans who support Israel -- and his statement was a grotesque libel.

So, I think the subtitle for this topic should be changed from "because he isn't vociferously pro Israel..." to "because he is a corrupt anti-semitic kook who is on the payroll of the the nations whom he would be in charge of writing intelligence reports about".

Yeah, whatever. I've yet to see the quote.

"For instance, the critics claimed that Freeman once said that Chinese officials had acted with restraint at Tiananmen Square and that they should have plowed down the dissidents more quickly?when, in fact, he said that they were more restrained and slower to act than Mao Zedong would have been. He certainly did not condone the crackdown."

Slate
 

Craig234

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JediYoda, the incivility of your post has cost you any direct reply. Don't consider another word a reply to you, and I'm not interested any further in any comments you have.

On the topic of the fear of most politicians in general, however, to criticize Israel, we can cite some excertps from the Wiki entry.

Of course, there aren't comments on Congressmemebres' blogs saying "let me share my fear of criticizing Israel" to cite.

But let's start with the media - it's interesting that in a 'news' story about the public figure's criticism of the excessive power of the Israel lobby to dominate the message, the story takes on a tone to discredit the public official. It implies he's some sort of nut - not in an editorial but in a news story, ironically providing evidence the public figure was correct.

American journalist Michael Massing argues that there is a lack of media coverage on the Israel lobby and posits this explanation: "Why the blackout? For one thing, reporting on these groups is not easy. AIPAC's power makes potential sources reluctant to discuss the organization on the record, and employees who leave it usually sign pledges of silence. AIPAC officials themselves rarely give interviews, and the organization even resists divulging its board of directors."[30] Massing writes that in addition to AIPAC's efforts to maintain a low profile, "journalists, meanwhile, are often loath to write about the influence of organized Jewry. [...] In the end, though, the main obstacle to covering these groups is fear."

But let's let the former AIPAC director say something on the matter:

According to Morris Amitay, former AIPAC director ?It?s almost politically suicidal?for a member of Congress who wants to seek reelection to take any stand that might be interpreted as anti-policy of the conservative Israeli government.?[41] Michael Massing reports that a staffer sympathetic to Israel told him ?We can count on well over half the House ? 250 to 300 members ? to do reflexively whatever AIPAC wants.?[42] AIPAC official Steven Rosen in an illustration of AIPAC?s power to journalist Jeffery Goldberg put a napkin in front of him and said, ?In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.?

Now, having pretty clearly provided some statements supporting the claim - I'll moderate it.

The following is not an unreasonable summary::

Michael Lind produced a cover piece on the Israel lobby for the UK publication Prospect in 2002 which concluded "The truth about America?s Israel lobby is this: it is not all-powerful, but it is still far too powerful for the good of the U.S. and its alliances in the Middle East and elsewhere."

It may seem funny how these quotes so exactly match what I'd written, but I'd never seen them when I wrote my post.

Is Noam Chomsky a 'credible source' on the topic? Ah, too bad, since he's expressing a 'moderate' view.

Noam Chomsky, political activist and professor of linguistics at MIT, writes that "there are far more powerful interests that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms industry and other special interests whose lobbying influence and campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist lobby and its allied donors to congressional races."[50]

Eric Alterman writes in The Nation, that "while it's fair to call AIPAC obnoxious and even anti-democratic, the same can often be said about, say, the NRA, Big Pharma and other powerful lobbies."[51] Zbigniew Brzezinski agreed stating that "[t]he participation of ethnic or foreign supported lobbies in the American policy process is nothing new." Brzezinski ranks the three most effective ethnic lobbies in the United States as the Israeli American Lobby, the Cuban American lobby and the Armenian American lobby.[52]

The excellent Glenn Greenwald again adds a lot to the topic, with his post linking the issue with the problem of excessive anonymity for sources by journalists:

Glenn Greenwald

So, I think the quotes above provide a somewhat fair summary of the situation.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Craig234
The fact that our own politicians have to live in terror of the Israeli lobby is very wrong.

There is no Israeli lobby. Even Mr. Freeman called it an Israel Lobby, which is not made up of Israelis, but of Christians and right wingers, and some rich US Jews. Israel doesn't have any power in the US except what we give them. They don't have oil or billions of dollars in exports to us. They provide a nice strategic position for us, the sole functioning democracy in the region which the US claims they support, and the jews need to be there for the rapture to happen.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

By being pro-Israel we are being pro-American!!
By a balanced middle east policy you mean where we abandon israel and embrace those who would see Israel driven ionto the ocean then NO we don`t want a balanced middle east policy!
Pro- Israeli pressure alone was NOT totally responsible for Mr Freeman being denied the top US Inteliegence post!!
Mr freeman`s stand on the Chinese government and Tiananmen Square...
No we don`t need to reclaim nothing!!!
American foreign policy is still American foreign policy!!
Your anti Israeli bigotry is way to obvious.
Freeman was NOT the man for the job!!


Wow, it's as if an AIPAC Talking-Point Generator spat out some text, and a crazy purple-haired senior lady started screaming them at you in a super-market!

I'm in awe. Shock, and awe.
 

Phokus

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if there isn't more proof that the israeli lobby owns the us gov't by the balls...
 

Starbuck1975

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Everyone is fixating on the Israel issue, yet the conflict of interest given his ties to China and Saudi Arabia are perhaps more appropriate concerns for his taking this post.