And Jihadwatch spins a solider-afghani marraige...

magomago

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So I was googling "Muslim Marriage" randomly because I thought "hmmm if I ever get married in the next 10 years how would it even be like"? Due to my circumstances - I've never had the privledge of actually witnessing a Muslim Marraige - mainly due to bad timing with things going on. That made me go ahead and start some googling, and off all think Jihadwatch came up:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017551.php

If the mainstream media picks this up at all, it will be as a heartwarming sidelight to the horror of war, and if the folks at State notice, they'll be showcasing these soldiers as proof that the U.S. is not at war with Islam. No one, but no one, will dare raise the small side issue of the fact that most likely they had to convert in order to marry their Afghan sweethearts, since Islamic law forbids a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man -- although it allows a non-Muslim woman to marry a Muslim man. This double standard is vivid evidence of the supremacist element of Islam, since it is assumed that a woman will become part of her husband's household, such that the Islamic community will by such marriages always increase, and the non-Muslim community always decrease. And that same supremacist element, of course, fuels the jihad that these soldiers are in Afghanistan to fight. Bravo for life's little ironies.

WOW talk about spin.


Now talking about the ability of a man or woman to marry who they desire to within a Quranic context can be a VERY good debate - I've read about plenty of Muslim women who have married non Muslim Men and their children grow up to be Muslims, or they still maintain their Muslim identity. Its an interesting "dilemma" --> because the Quran assumes that children take on the religion of the Husband ~ not wife. And in any case the "restriction" isn't as obvious when one remembers that a Muslim man is only allowed to marry Jews and Christians in addition to Muslim - so both have their restrictions. But despite this, many "inter faith" marriages occur, and that is where I can see an interesting debate that I would love to listen to.

But Jihad watch takes it, and somehow (I'm still baffled, I guess if you close your eyes long enough and walk around you'll get used to running into things and getting knocked to the ground) spins it in such a sick and ridiculous way.

Of course now its sinking in better why conservatives hate the idea of this "vast right wing conspiracy" - because somehow there is this vast left wing conspiracy.

Of course the comments on the website were absolutely sickening as well - reminds me of these alleged "terrorist websites" that I heard about (I've actually never tried to visit one...I've been curious, but being a Muslim American and googling "terrorist website" seems to be a pretty stupid thing to do at this moment, especially when there are plenty of people waiting for you to "slip up" in any way to try to revoke rights...these are, of course, the same ones frothing at the mouth for some kind of war of civilizations).

How can we realistically take sites like Jihadwatch seriously and use them as sources on "Islam". They are great if you want to learn about reactionary elements AGAINST Islam because it can be one useful tool to help understand why these people have twisted ideas and hopefully learn to change that....but as an actual source in which to believe when it comes to Islamic law and beliefs is ridiculous

Reading the site makes me realize that the people who subscribe to it find one thing they don't like -hell it could be cultural such as female cicumscision. They latch onto it, and then they grow their dream - their desire. Islam becomes to them what THEY want to see, and what THEY want to believe and nothing more. They continue to repeat and parrot information that isn't true, because it fits THEIR belief of the world. And of course - they are never wrong and they are the ones that are absolutely right.

If they hate Islam so much, and they abhored clowns, I wouldn't doubt for a second that they would start to spread information about Muslim Clowns and their potential for taking a part in a suicide bombing.

Our Osama Bin Ladens are just as dangerous - but we don't see them in the media because they try to use our government and country's influence to create what they see. You may doubt and say "until we have suicide bla bla bla" - but you know what I don't believe for one second this constitutes any big portion of the American government or the "west". Its size at best is probably similar to the "Muslim Worlds" idiots ~ and we both know that 95% of people on both sides have absolutely no problem with eachother

Oh and to leave you with one of the posts I found there:

I didn't know it was legal for Americans to marry gargoyles

There should be a ban on this in the US army. If they had any clue of what this entailed, they'd be dishonorably discharged and stripped of their citizenship, so that they could go ahead with their marriage.

If the Muslimas in question really love them, why didn't they convert & elope? They'd then have become US citizens by marriage, and could have moved out immediately.

Two soldiers whose service I refuse to honor. Hell with them.

Will anyone even defend this?
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: magomago

How can we realistically take sites like Jihadwatch seriously and use them as sources on "Islam". They are great if you want to learn about reactionary elements AGAINST Islam because it can be one useful tool to help understand why these people have twisted ideas and hopefully learn to change that....but as an actual source in which to believe when it comes to Islamic law and beliefs is ridiculous



Oh and to leave you with one of the posts I found there:

I didn't know it was legal for Americans to marry gargoyles

There should be a ban on this in the US army. If they had any clue of what this entailed, they'd be dishonorably discharged and stripped of their citizenship, so that they could go ahead with their marriage.

If the Muslimas in question really love them, why didn't they convert & elope? They'd then have become US citizens by marriage, and could have moved out immediately.

Two soldiers whose service I refuse to honor. Hell with them.

Will anyone even defend this?

I can go to some of the most backwood redneck bars and find someone to say ignorant things also and then post it like it represents mainstream America and ask people to defend it. Can we say hello Bill O'reilly?

(no offense to rednecks intended):D

Instead how about we visit some official State Department sites and see what they say.



Iraqi Laws and Procedures
The Iraqi Social Status (civil) Law follows the Islamic Sharia (Islamic legislation). Under Islamic law, an Iraqi Muslim female may not marry a non Muslim male. However an Iraqi Muslim male may marry a Muslim, Christian, or Jewish female.


Marriage of a Muslim to a Non-Muslim
Muslim women in Iraq are legally prohibited from marrying a non-Muslim. Therefore, the non-Muslim male must convert his religion to Islam and file a petition with the Social Status Court to declare that he is Muslim. Muslim men in Iraq are permitted to marry non-Muslim women if they are Christian or Jewish only. If the woman belongs to any other religion, she must convert to Islam.

The United States helped write these laws while telling us they were spreading democracy.

Will anyone even defend this?



But it's not all bad, The new Iraq does have one distinct advantage over the west.:laugh:

The muta'a marriage.:evil:

'Pleasure marriages' regain popularity in Iraq

Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari and other Shiite lawmakers have said they want Iraq's new constitution to use the sharia, or Islamic law, as its basis. That could give muta'a formal legal protection. Sunni Arabs and Kurds, who are mainly Sunni, oppose the idea. But the practice is growing among Sunnis and Shiites alike.

Sunni scholars fear that giving official sanction to pleasure marriages ? many of which are only verbal agreements between the couple ? are little more than legalized prostitution that could lead to a collapse of moral values, especially among young people.


Shows you what a farce religion could become when written into civil law and why you should always keep state and religion separate.
 

Aimster

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Jihadwatch is a crap website.

Sadly many members on here claim to be educated in Islam because they read websites like that.

I LOL
 

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Ridiculous website look at the comments, some of them are just plain despicable.

This site somehow managed to offend me as a Hindu. Read the comments, these people are very ignorant.
 

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I got to say, this really makes Jihadwatch look like a great organization run and supported by completely reasonable individuals that in no way represent the kind of backward thinking you might find at your local Klan meeting :roll:
 

palehorse

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Umm, just out of curiosity, who the hell actually uses Jihadwatch as a legitimate reference for anything!?
 

Jaskalas

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You attack Spencer, but do you attack his point? You can convert to Islam, but see what happens when you try to leave it. It is their sworn duty to kill you at that point. Proof in point, honor killings against their daughters.
 

Aimster

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many Muslims have married outside of their family and converted.

they are alive.

You fail as usual
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Aimster
many Muslims have married outside of their family and converted.

they are alive.

You fail as usual

Are you saying this to deny the honor killings or just minimize them?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: Aimster
It happens in less than .00000001% of cases

source?

There are 1.4 billion Muslims in this world.

Not all of them marry Muslims

Muslims marry Jews and Christians. They usually end up converting.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Umm, just out of curiosity, who the hell actually uses Jihadwatch as a legitimate reference for anything!?

Fox News?
That video appears to be an interview with Spencer on the "Fox and Friends" discussion show. At no point did they reference Jihadwatch.com.

That said, I did not hear Spencer say anything inaccurate in the Fox interview.