And... it's back: The ASSAULT weapons ban

Discussion in 'Politics and News' started by DLeRium, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. blankslate

    blankslate Diamond Member

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    An AR-15 that doesn't have a collapsible stock and has the recoil buffer and the buffer spring that the military M-16 has can be accurate enough depending on the target distance which in this case wasn't farther than the size of a typical classroom.

    they have very little recoil
     
  2. BladeVenom

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    In the last century, governments have murdered 262 million people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

    Politicians are the ones who can't be trusted with guns.
     
  3. exdeath

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    Do this and 26 will seem like a very tiny number... And unlike Friday, the tsunami of deaths created by this will be justified.
     
  4. xj0hnx

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    Not to squeeze of 4-6 rounds per second with any accuracy. As the NCOIC at the qualification range, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that that you will miss more than you hit firing that fast. Even with the M249 we trained for short burst fire, even for suppression fire, as opposed to dumping.

    Ever wonder why during drive by's less gangsters get hit than innocent civilians? It's because you don't hit shit when you spray and pray. Slow controlled, aimed fire is WAY more devastating than uncontrolled automatic, or spazticly pulling the trigger as fast as you can.

    Now, I, or someone else that has trained to fire one could make that case, but some kid that stole his moms gun isn't going to. The person that is trained is also not going to be bothered by having to change a mag.
     
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  5. blankslate

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    Accurate enough to kill classrooms of children.
     
  6. OutHouse

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    ???? dont they all have a buffer and buffer spring?
     
  7. blankslate

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    The answer is simple enough.

    You don't want to accept bans on weapons that can be used for massacres like these.

    Accept that we need to find ways to keep mentally ill people from them.

    That unfortunately doesn't leave much room for austerity when it comes to the funding of mental health care. Or loopholes buying weapons without background checks at gun shows.
     
  8. blankslate

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    I'm not familiar with every civilian variant (or user modified version) of the AR-15.

    So I didn't discount the possibility of a version without one out of hand.
     
  9. Texashiker

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    I subscribe to the theory that every citizen is a soldier, and every home is an armory.

    Our forefathers did not beat the British with sticks and stones.

    The war of 1812, who defended New Orleans? It was volunteers.
     
  10. OutHouse

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    I was a M-60 (pig) gunner and my 5-7 round burst were pretty fucking accurate.

    Loved shooting it but HATED lugging hat 23 pounds of metal around.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxY3tG7E43E
     
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  11. FerrelGeek

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    TOTALLY AGREE!

    Any store that sells guns has to be federally licensed - period. Doesn't matter if it's Wall-Mart, Cabella's, or Joe's Boomsticks.

    And what exactly defines an assault weapon? You can doll up a Ruger 10-22 and make it look like a (on the surface) big bad nasty AR-15. And yes, any competent shooter and swap a clip in seconds. Besides that, there are already tons of hi-cap mags/clips out there.

    Don's suggestion is the most sane idea mentioned. Pardon the pun.
     
  12. OutHouse

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    wrong.
     
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  13. dmens

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    Wait, you mean I've been paying FFL's for no reason for all these years?
     
  14. xj0hnx

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    Yes, even the pistol versions. The only ones that may not are the new AK piston types.

    The M60 also weights a HELL of a lot more than the M16 :) Also, I believe complete working M60's a getting what? $100,000 nowadays?

    Edit: Sorry ...$70,000 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322003620

    Edit 2: Wow a MOD1 M60E4 for only $44,000!!!http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322392247 Probably don't have to worry about that one showing up at any crime scene.

    No, he is correct, any store that sells modern firearms has to have a FFL.
     
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  15. OutHouse

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    wait if you sell only guns made prior to 1898 then you have wasted your money.
     
  16. OutHouse

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    ding ding ding winnar!!
     
  17. blankslate

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    They used muskets and probably did not envision the advances in firearms technology that have come to pass.
     
  18. dmens

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    Hah. Will somebody please ask the gun control crowd if one can be assaulted with a Nagant revolver?
     
  19. Texashiker

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    So let me get this straight, civilians and the British army had the same weapons? Or basically the same style of rifle?

    Isn't that what we are facing today? That civilians have access to weapons similar to what the military uses?
     
  20. dmens

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    Yeah, just like the internet makes the 1st amendment obsolete, or drones make the 4th amendment obsolete.
     
  21. dmens

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    No, we don't.
     
  22. Pens1566

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    In a crowded room, no need to be accurate. If the intent is to kill randomly, you're good to go.
     
  23. OutHouse

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  24. xj0hnx

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    In a crowded room full of kids a Colt .22 would have been effective, and no one has screamed to ban them.
     
  25. Jaepheth

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    Drones make the WHOLE THING obsolete!

    Muahahahahahaha!
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