And here come the taxes - Obamacare Fees

[Sho'Nuff]

http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014/

Normally I would not post anything from the NYpost, as I consider it an utter rag. But the linked article has some interesting points re: the fees associated with Obamacare. I for one am a bit pissed that my medicare taxes will increase . . . because YET AGAIN I must apparently "pay my fair share" when I already donate 42% of my income to the black hole that is the government. And for what? To support a program that provides the same level of care to EVERYONE regardless of income (and which should therefore be supported equally by everyone, regardless of income).

Ugh. When are we as Americans going to get fed up with this BS and revert to the federal government our forefathers intended? One with LIMITED powers and which is run by people who's head is far enough removed from their ass that they can at least read the bills they vote to pass.

And before people start posting "1st world problem," "Suck it rich boy, etc." Yes, I am well off. No, I am not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I empathize with those less fortunate than me. But no, I do not support giving those people anything through a government program. So fire away with your insults if you want. I don't particularly care. But I'm not going to apologize for being pissed off at the fact I and other members of my socioeconomic circle are being tapped to pay the fees of every inefficiently run and poorly thought out government subsidy program that happens to get a politician voted into office.

 

[shadow9d9]

http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014/

Normally I would not post anything from the NYpost, as I consider it an utter rag. But the linked article has some interesting points re: the fees associated with Obamacare. I for one am a bit pissed that my medicare taxes will increase . . . because YET AGAIN I must apparently "pay my fair share" when I already donate 42% of my income to the black hole that is the government. And for what? To support a program that provides the same level of care to EVERYONE regardless of income (and which should therefore be supported equally by everyone, regardless of income).

Ugh. When are we as Americans going to get fed up with this BS and revert to the federal government our forefathers intended? One with LIMITED powers and which is run by people who's head is at least far enough removed from their ass that they can at least read the bills they vote to pass.

And before people start posting "1st world problem," "Suck it rich boy, etc." Yes, I am well off. No, I am not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I empathize with those less fortunate than me. But no, I do not support giving those people anything through a government program. So fire away with your insults if you want. I don't particularly care. But I'm not going to apologize for being pissed off at the fact I and other members of my socioeconomic circle are being tapped to pay the fees of every inefficiently run and poorly thought out government subsidy program that happens to get a politician voted into office.

We spend over 700 billion dollars every year on the most insanely bloated military in the world. I don't want to support that. I have no choice. Deal.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

We spend over 700 billion dollars every year on the most insanely bloated military in the world. I don't want to support that. I have no choice. Deal.

I don't "mind" the military so much, because at least the constitution establishes that the federal government has the power to establish a military and the military "benefits" every U.S. citizen. The ACA on the other hand doesn't meet either of those criteria, IMO.

Also, when I pay my income tax I am aware that part of it goes to the military, a program that directly benefits me. I may never benefit from medicare, the ACA, or any other government run insurance program. So why am I asked to pay more to support the ACA than those that directly benefit from it?

 

[Specop 007]

We spend over 700 billion dollars every year on the most insanely bloated military in the world. I don't want to support that. I have no choice. Deal.

Ever hear of an enumerated power? A standing army is explicitly spelled out as a responsibility of the government. Healthcare isnt, and is sold under the vague "general welfare" bullshit that liberals love to cite to justify everything from healthcare to food to cradle to grave free money.

So the only one who needs to be sucking is you, and you should be sucking up some knowledge of the government that rules you.

ETA; Not to say we should spend more or less on the military, just making a point that regardless of what we spoend, it is explicitly called out as a role of the government.

 

[Generator]

As human beings we are all intrinsically tied together. This nation has been fortunate for those whose greatest virtues are greed, selfishness, and just general inhumanity. Those days are over, the United States has joined the world in understanding that you are your brother's keeper. There is nothing more certain that makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax. If you like renounce your citizenship and make a go of it in some obscure jungle.

 

[CanOWorms]

Ever hear of an enumerated power? A standing army is explicitly spelled out as a responsibility of the government. Healthcare isnt, and is sold under the vague "general welfare" bullshit that liberals love to cite to justify everything from healthcare to food to cradle to grave free money.

So the only one who needs to be sucking is you, and you should be sucking up some knowledge of the government that rules you.

ETA; Not to say we should spend more or less on the military, just making a point that regardless of what we spoend, it is explicitly called out as a role of the government.

The Constitution only refers to the army and navy. No mention of the air force. Sounds like something we should abolish and recover funds from.

 

[Specop 007]

As human beings we are all intrinsically tied together. This nation has been fortunate for those whose greatest virtues are greed, selfishness, and just general inhumanity. Those days are over, the United States has joined the world in understanding that you are your brother's keeper. There is nothing more certain that makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax. If you like renounce your citizenship and make a go of it in some obscure jungle.

That ideal is dead. The greed of the poor is every bit as bad as the greed of the rich. The exception being the rich make their money, the poor simply vote themselves the richs money through the power of taxation.

The dregs of society have no incentive whatsoever to do anything, as their entire way is paid for. Why work when you can collect that free check to cover your food, your housing, your healthcare and your phone.

You can see this every two weeks on your paycheck. Well, you could if you worked. Theres no "rich mans withholding". But you can see the poor dipping into your check pretty clearly in that withholding.

 

[Generator]

Why work when you can collect that free check to cover your food, your housing, your healthcare and your phone.

You will find with a warm house, food in your belly, and of good health man will naturally find the purpose of work. Its up tot he laws to determine whether that purpose is work or crime. Either way it is purpose or is everyone but you a villain?

The ideal has never been given a chance until now. I'm sure you'll hurl every wrench you can in hopes of sabotaging societies embrace!

 

[Specop 007]

You will find with a warm house, food in your belly, and of good health man will naturally find the purpose of work. Its up tot he laws to determine whether that purpose is work or crime. Either way it is purpose or is everyone but you a villain?

The ideal has never been given a chance until now. I'm sure you'll hurl every wrench you can in hopes of sabotaging societies embrace!

You are factually wrong. I love your ideas but in the real world its bullshit, and we both know it. Theres a hell of a lot of people who wont ever work no matter how hungry they get. All you have to do is look at "someone gotta pay for all these kids" to see the proof of that. The idea that if we provide a basic standard of living for people they will be motivated to work is laughable immature.

 

[compuwiz1]

You will find with a warm house, food in your belly, and of good health man will naturally find the purpose of work. Its up tot he laws to determine whether that purpose is work or crime. Either way it is purpose or is everyone but you a villain?

The ideal has never been given a chance until now. I'm sure you'll hurl every wrench you can in hopes of sabotaging societies embrace!

Right! This country has several generations that have lived off the government coffers for all their lives, more or less. As you can see, it motivated them to become more productive members of society. NOT! Your methodology is pure fail, has proven to fail, will continue to fail. Just like you change an addict by continuing to supply them with drugs or alcohol. It's called enabling, pal. We've been doing it for too long.

 

[Zaap]

is everyone but you a villain?

Is everyone but you helpless?

Leftwingers are such saps. In a lefty's worldview, there's only filthy rich people who don't deserve anything they have, and then everyone else is blind/orphaned/crippled/mentally ill/crack-addicted-through-no-fault-of-their-own helpless quadriplegic poor people who can only hope to lay around starving to death unless those evil rich provide for them.

The reality is: most of the left's sappy ideas only result in a lot of just barely making ends meet people having to slave away even harder to support perfectly able-bodied people who've realized they can kick back while suckers provide for them.

Everyone but me who is able-bodied and of sound mind can man-up or woman-up and take care of themselves and their own, the same as I and others take care of our own.

 

[lopri]

Did anyone shame you?

Every time I read this faux victimhood argument I can't help but be puzzled.

 

[Generator]

To the right wing, the 8 most dangerous words in the English language "Hi, I'm your neighbour nice to meet you." These people despise society and the very idea that they share in that society makes their skin crawl. You see Reagan taught them well. That from their hard work an injustice is incurred. Some place, somewhere there is black person buying a T-bone steak with food stamps, some redneck with a car on blocks in the front yard but a big screen in the window. The men of "pure" labor are being robbed and their wealth is being shared. Reagan and his right wing children are soiled wholly in the indoctrination of victimhood.

 

[Zaap]

To the left wing, the most feared words they could ever hear are: "No more free ride, you'll have to get a job." These people despise having to grow up and fend for themselves, the very idea that society won't change their diapers for them and wipe their tushies makes them cry. You see Marx taught them well. That from others hard work comes your livelihood. Some place, somewhere a rich person has some money, some redneck disagrees with you, there's a black person that isn't poor, helpless and hive-minded. Everyone else exists to provide for you, everyone else's money, time, labor belongs to you. Marx and his leftwing nut brigade are soiled wholly in the unchanged diapers of self-perpetuated dependence.

 

[Angry Irishman]

As human beings we are all intrinsically tied together. This nation has been fortunate for those whose greatest virtues are greed, selfishness, and just general inhumanity. Those days are over, the United States has joined the world in understanding that you are your brother's keeper. There is nothing more certain that makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax. If you like renounce your citizenship and make a go of it in some obscure jungle.

If you say so.....we are now part of the collective comrades. Let's go kill the Czar. Bat shit crazy talk can be found just above.

 

[Veliko]

To the right wing, the 8 most dangerous words in the English language "Hi, I'm your neighbour nice to meet you." These people despise society and the very idea that they share in that society makes their skin crawl. You see Reagan taught them well. That from their hard work an injustice is incurred. Some place, somewhere there is black person buying a T-bone steak with food stamps, some redneck with a car on blocks in the front yard but a big screen in the window. The men of "pure" labor are being robbed and their wealth is being shared. Reagan and his right wing children are soiled wholly in the indoctrination of victimhood.

I pissed my pants with laughter at this, fantastic work!

:biggrin:

 

[monovillage]

As human beings we are all intrinsically tied together. This nation has been fortunate for those whose greatest virtues are greed, selfishness, and just general inhumanity. Those days are over, the United States has joined the world in understanding that you are your brother's keeper. There is nothing more certain that makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax. If you like renounce your citizenship and make a go of it in some obscure jungle.

We are not "intrinsically tied together", what a load of crap. I am not my brothers keeper, take your religious Genesis reference .... roll it up and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. If it's not something enumerated in the Constitution then the government shouldn't be doing it.

 

[monovillage]

To the right wing, the 8 most dangerous words in the English language "Hi, I'm your neighbour nice to meet you." These people despise society and the very idea that they share in that society makes their skin crawl. You see Reagan taught them well. That from their hard work an injustice is incurred. Some place, somewhere there is black person buying a T-bone steak with food stamps, some redneck with a car on blocks in the front yard but a big screen in the window. The men of "pure" labor are being robbed and their wealth is being shared. Reagan and his right wing children are soiled wholly in the indoctrination of victimhood.

No, it's the phrase "i'm from the government and i'm here to help you." Sorry if you want me to work my ass off so i can pay your bills.

 

[dmcowen674]

And here come the taxes - Obamacare Fees

http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014/

Normally I would not post anything from the NYpost, as I consider it an utter rag. But the linked article has some interesting points re: the fees associated with Obamacare. I for one am a bit pissed that my medicare taxes will increase . . . because YET AGAIN I must apparently "pay my fair share" when I already donate 42% of my income to the black hole that is the government. And for what? To support a program that provides the same level of care to EVERYONE regardless of income (and which should therefore be supported equally by everyone, regardless of income).

Ugh. When are we as Americans going to get fed up with this BS and revert to the federal government our forefathers intended? One with LIMITED powers and which is run by people who's head is far enough removed from their ass that they can at least read the bills they vote to pass.

And before people start posting "1st world problem," "Suck it rich boy, etc." Yes, I am well off. No, I am not ashamed to admit it. Yes, I empathize with those less fortunate than me. But no, I do not support giving those people anything through a government program. So fire away with your insults if you want. I don't particularly care. But I'm not going to apologize for being pissed off at the fact I and other members of my socioeconomic circle are being tapped to pay the fees of every inefficiently run and poorly thought out government subsidy program that happens to get a politician voted into office.

Instead of complaining about contributing, leave.

Simple.

 

[fskimospy]

Threads like this always remind me of the onion article titled something to the effect of "local man is fervent defender of what he thinks the Constitution says".

 

[Angry Irishman]

Threads like this always remind me of the onion article titled something to the effect of "local man is fervent defender of what he thinks the Constitution says".

Then pray tell what is it to you?

 

[fskimospy]

Then pray tell what is it to you?

Huh?

 

[Sho'Nuff]

As human beings we are all intrinsically tied together. This nation has been fortunate for those whose greatest virtues are greed, selfishness, and just general inhumanity. Those days are over, the United States has joined the world in understanding that you are your brother's keeper. There is nothing more certain that makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax. If you like renounce your citizenship and make a go of it in some obscure jungle.

Oh poppycock. The U.S. is a CAPITALIST nation. Or at least it was.

As for your argument that the US has joined the "world . . . " pshaw. You are overstating and you know it. If a few countries in Europe and Asia constitute "the world" then sure. But last I checked there were an awful lot of nations out there that felt like it was NOT their governments responsibility to mandate a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor.

And I have no idea what "there is nothing more certain makes society than the cold hard percentage of tax" means. I'm not arguing against taxation in general. I am arguing against the use of the tax power to hide a thinly veiled wealth transfer in the form of a government health care program. Which, you might recall, was sold to the American people repeatedly as "not being a tax."

I guess part of my frustration is the fact that the Government is LYING to the American people, and few people seem to care because the lies that are being spread are honey in much of the U.S. populace's ear. I would have less of a problem with much of the government's actions if our representatives would just be honest, instead of spinning every goddamn word that comes out of their mouth.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

You will find with a warm house, food in your belly, and of good health man will naturally find the purpose of work. Its up tot he laws to determine whether that purpose is work or crime. Either way it is purpose or is everyone but you a villain?

The ideal has never been given a chance until now. I'm sure you'll hurl every wrench you can in hopes of sabotaging societies embrace!

This is also complete BS. The ideal has never been given a chance? Dude I hate to break it to you, but communism (which is the ultimate definition of wealth transfer) has been tried all over the globe. And with limited exception it has utterly failed every time. China is a notable exception, but its success is more attributable to the Chinese government's recent relaxation of communist practices.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Instead of complaining about contributing, leave.

Simple.

Simple reply to a simple request. No.

The federal government was not meant to have the power that it has now. Anyone with two brain cells and who has spent a few minutes reading American history knows that. The founding fathers wanted a relatively small federal government which would serve specific purposes for the benefit of all. They did not want a huge hulking inefficiency machine that would intrude on the lives of everyday citizens, much akin to a 2.8 million strong version of the king of England.

And FWIW, we as a country need to get back to the idea of small government. Primarily because we cannot AFFORD to do what the government is doing. The U.S. and its 14 trillion dollar debt is propped up right now by fear. Fear of what will happen to the world economy if the U.S. collapses. Nothing else. One of these days, someone is going to realize that lending money to a country that is in that much debt is a bad idea. I truly fear for the society my children will come to know. Because I am fairly certain it will be a shadow of what it is today.