...and further proof of how idiotic fast food workers are

yukichigai

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Y'all might remember that thread a while back about the guy who was "detained" by police for paying Best Buy in $2 bills. Well this isn't the first time something that idiotic has happened.

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BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) ? A student's old money got him handcuffed and hauled away from a drive-through lane in a squad car.

That shouldn't happen, and Alfred Kennedy III must get a trial on his defamation charge against the Jack in the Box restaurant chain and and false arrest charges against the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office, a state appeal court has ruled.

Kennedy was arrested after he paid for meals for himself and four female students with a $100 Federal Reserve Note from 1974 ? one his great-grandmother had mailed to him.

Neither the workers at the restaurant on Dec. 7, 2001, nor the sheriff's deputies who answered their call recognized it as real money.

"'Old' currency is still legal tender of the United States," Judge Jefferson D. Hughes III wrote in the 3-0 decision for the 1st Circuit Court of Appeal. "Citizens should not be at risk for spending legal tender."

The 1st Circuit found that District Judge William A. Morvant incorrectly dismissed the lawsuit which Kennedy brought in December 2003, the month he graduated from Southern University with an engineering degree.

Kennedy ? who had a 2.8 average at Southern and had been an honors high-school student ? is working as an assistant accountant for the Orleans Parish School board while he looks for work in engineering, said his attorney, Harley M. Brown.

He said that the restaurant employees stalled Kennedy ? sending out just the drinks, then the wrong items ? until deputies showed up. The deputies, Brown said, "didn't ask questions ? just took him out of the car. Placed cuffs on him. When he asked what was happening, they told him to keep his mouth shut."

Kennedy was cuffed and taken to the Scotlandville substation while deputies looked at nearby convenience stores for a "counterfeit detector pen" ? one that makes an amber mark on the paper used for legitimate currency but a dark one on most other high-quality paper.

Kennedy testified that, while he was being taken to the substation, a deputy told him the bill would be tested, and he would get it back if it proved to be genuine.

That did eventually happen.

However, the 1st Circuit ruled, the sheriff's office and restaurant didn't show any evidence that anyone who looked at Kennedy's money had the knowledge needed to evaluate it and decide Kennedy should be held while it was tested.

"There was no explanation as to why counterfeit markers, which were admittedly readily available at local convenience stores, were not available to the defendants' employees," Judge Jefferson D. Hughes wrote for himself and Judges Vanessa G. Whipple and Bob Downing.

Leu Ann Greco, a sheriff's office attorney, said the court "missed the point."

She said Kennedy wasn't arrested ? just held long enough for deputies to verify the bill was legal. "They were justified in holding him a total of 30 to 40 minutes while they checked out the bill," she said.

Stephen Wilson, the attorney for Jack in the Box, said he would recommend that the company appeal to the Louisiana Supreme Court. Reporting a suspicious bill wasn't defamation, he said. "We didn't even know who tendered the bill. We certainly didn't accuse this gentleman of a crime."
The good news is that the courts said the kid can sue. Hopefully this means the guy who got a similar treatment at Best Buy can (and will) sue as well.

On another note, why is it that more and more people seem unaware that the world existed before about 1981?
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Y'all might remember that thread a while back about the guy who was "detained" by police for paying Best Buy in $2 bills. Well this isn't the first time something that idiotic has happened.

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BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) ? A student's old money got him handcuffed and hauled away from a drive-through lane in a squad car.

That shouldn't happen, and Alfred Kennedy III must get a trial on his defamation charge against the Jack in the Box restaurant chain and and false arrest charges against the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office, a state appeal court has ruled.

Kennedy was arrested after he paid for meals for himself and four female students with a $100 Federal Reserve Note from 1974 ? one his great-grandmother had mailed to him.

Neither the workers at the restaurant on Dec. 7, 2001, nor the sheriff's deputies who answered their call recognized it as real money.

"'Old' currency is still legal tender of the United States," Judge Jefferson D. Hughes III wrote in the 3-0 decision for the 1st Circuit Court of Appeal. "Citizens should not be at risk for spending legal tender."

The 1st Circuit found that District Judge William A. Morvant incorrectly dismissed the lawsuit which Kennedy brought in December 2003, the month he graduated from Southern University with an engineering degree.

Kennedy ? who had a 2.8 average at Southern and had been an honors high-school student ? is working as an assistant accountant for the Orleans Parish School board while he looks for work in engineering, said his attorney, Harley M. Brown.

He said that the restaurant employees stalled Kennedy ? sending out just the drinks, then the wrong items ? until deputies showed up. The deputies, Brown said, "didn't ask questions ? just took him out of the car. Placed cuffs on him. When he asked what was happening, they told him to keep his mouth shut."

Kennedy was cuffed and taken to the Scotlandville substation while deputies looked at nearby convenience stores for a "counterfeit detector pen" ? one that makes an amber mark on the paper used for legitimate currency but a dark one on most other high-quality paper.

Kennedy testified that, while he was being taken to the substation, a deputy told him the bill would be tested, and he would get it back if it proved to be genuine.

That did eventually happen.

However, the 1st Circuit ruled, the sheriff's office and restaurant didn't show any evidence that anyone who looked at Kennedy's money had the knowledge needed to evaluate it and decide Kennedy should be held while it was tested.

"There was no explanation as to why counterfeit markers, which were admittedly readily available at local convenience stores, were not available to the defendants' employees," Judge Jefferson D. Hughes wrote for himself and Judges Vanessa G. Whipple and Bob Downing.

Leu Ann Greco, a sheriff's office attorney, said the court "missed the point."

She said Kennedy wasn't arrested ? just held long enough for deputies to verify the bill was legal. "They were justified in holding him a total of 30 to 40 minutes while they checked out the bill," she said.

Stephen Wilson, the attorney for Jack in the Box, said he would recommend that the company appeal to the Louisiana Supreme Court. Reporting a suspicious bill wasn't defamation, he said. "We didn't even know who tendered the bill. We certainly didn't accuse this gentleman of a crime."
The good news is that the courts said the kid can sue. Hopefully this means the guy who got a similar treatment at Best Buy can (and will) sue as well.

On another note, why is it that more and more people seem unaware that the world existed before about 1981?


I hope the police get royally shafted for their idiotic decisionmaking and bad treatment of this kid.
 

funboy6942

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All kids born from 1986 on dont think that there was anything around before them. Therefor all money before they were born must be counterfit. Another reason kids to stay in school and history was not fiction that stuff really did happen :p
 

chrisms

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Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.
If they didn't get the $100 bill back the food wasn't for free now was it?
 

BigJ

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Honestly, I would've done what the kid did and just have the manager deal with it.

If I'm working counter, and I take any bill thats counterfeit, guess whos paycheck that is coming out of? Yep, $100 out of my paycheck.

Let the manager deal with it so I avoid liability.
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.
If they didn't get the $100 bill back the food wasn't for free now was it?

I skimmed through the article but it says the guy gave the worker $100 to pay for food. Like I said, I would have put that bill in my pocket and given them the food for free, care of the owner.
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.
If they didn't get the $100 bill back the food wasn't for free now was it?

I skimmed through the article but it says the guy gave the worker $100 to pay for food. Like I said, I would have put that bill in my pocket and given them the food for free, care of the owner.
He most likely didn't buy $100 in food.
Probably got the $5 special and expected $95 in change..

 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

Originally posted by: chrisms
I skimmed through the article but it says the guy gave the worker $100 to pay for food. Like I said, I would have put that bill in my pocket and given them the food for free, care of the owner.

And then you would have explained to the customer his change went where?

What's the original title of this thread?

edit: haha, looks like chrisms is the only one that inconsistency escaped.
 

EyeMWing

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I was born in 1986 and once accepted a silver certificate as payment for some computer hardware. I blinked, but after examining it for a few moments to determine about how much it was worth, I gave the guy his change and his RAM and drove to the bank.
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I was born in 1986 and once accepted a silver certificate as payment for some computer hardware. I blinked, but after examining it for a few moments to determine about how much it was worth, I gave the guy his change and his RAM and drove to the bank.

You drove to the bank and got what a new bill for the old one? If you took it to the bank they will only give you face value. If you get the older bills your smart to replace it with one of yours and see if it is a collector and sell it as such. Just because the bill is old doenst make its face value worth anymore. Its only worth more to a collector of old bills and coins thats it. So I am calling shens on your story.

And yet again kids STAY IN SCHOOL!
 

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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.

:confused:
 

kranky

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When the police get involved in these situations, they could just get ID from the person and let them go on their way and investigate it later. If the bill turns out to be fake, they know who to go find.
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.

I'd give him change and then replace the money I took out of the register with my own, giving me a profit of whatever the cost of the food was.
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: kranky
When the police get involved in these situations, they could just get ID from the person and let them go on their way and investigate it later. If the bill turns out to be fake, they know who to go find.

Wouldn't a person skilled in making 'funny money' probably have a fake ID or three? The police are correct to detain people if they think money is counterfeit. The problem here and in the Best Buy story is the sheer amount of ignorance of what is real money.
 

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
The good news is that the courts said the kid can sue. Hopefully this means the guy who got a similar treatment at Best Buy can (and will) sue as well.

right, because the precedent of a louisiana appeals court extends to maryland.
 

shelaby

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.

I'd give him change and then replace the money I took out of the register with my own, giving me a profit of whatever the cost of the food was.


So you would take the 100$, give him 95$ back in change from the register, then take 95$ of your money and put that in the register to replace his change, leaving you with a whopping 5$. Good plan
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: shelaby
Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.

I'd give him change and then replace the money I took out of the register with my own, giving me a profit of whatever the cost of the food was.


So you would take the 100$, give him 95$ back in change from the register, then take 9$ of your money and put that in the register to replace his change, leaving you with a whopping 5$. Good plan


Where does it say the food costs $5? He bought it for himself and four other people. Assuming each person eats $5 worth of food, you end up with a $25 profit
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: yukichigai
The good news is that the courts said the kid can sue. Hopefully this means the guy who got a similar treatment at Best Buy can (and will) sue as well.

right, because the precedent of a louisiana appeals court extends to maryland.
Legal precedents(sp?) are legal precedents, even if they aren't in the same district. I'm sure this situation wouldn't be the first time another court's ruling has been used in a case in an entirely different court.
 

Beattie

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.
If they didn't get the $100 bill back the food wasn't for free now was it?

I skimmed through the article but it says the guy gave the worker $100 to pay for food. Like I said, I would have put that bill in my pocket and given them the food for free, care of the owner.
He most likely didn't buy $100 in food.
Probably got the $5 special and expected $95 in change..

No. Probably not. Food for 5 people (it says 4 girls and himself) might not cost $100, but it surely costs more than $5.

But
 

DPmaster

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Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: shelaby
Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: chrisms
Hey, screw all of you. I was born in 1986 and I am a fast food worker, and if it was me I would've pocketed the $100 and given them the food free.

So you would take the $100 (that is real tender) and just given him the food for free (but he gave you the $100) and if what he was to buy didnt come out to a total of $100 where does the change come from?

Proving once again about staying in school childreen.

I'd give him change and then replace the money I took out of the register with my own, giving me a profit of whatever the cost of the food was.


So you would take the 100$, give him 95$ back in change from the register, then take 9$ of your money and put that in the register to replace his change, leaving you with a whopping 5$. Good plan


Where does it say the food costs $5? He bought it for himself and four other people. Assuming each person eats $5 worth of food, you end up with a $25 profit

This math makes no sense.

So let's assume the guy buys $25 worth of food. He gives you a $100 and expects $75 back in change. So now you give him the change and everything is even. The only way you would make a profit is if you didn't ring up the food, but then that would mean you're stealing from the restaurant. Are you serious that you would be willing to get fired to make a profit of $25?
 

kranky

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: kranky
When the police get involved in these situations, they could just get ID from the person and let them go on their way and investigate it later. If the bill turns out to be fake, they know who to go find.

Wouldn't a person skilled in making 'funny money' probably have a fake ID or three? The police are correct to detain people if they think money is counterfeit. The problem here and in the Best Buy story is the sheer amount of ignorance of what is real money.

Maybe, but when someone's ID matches their registration and the info they get over the radio when running the plate, it's pretty likely the person is legit. I've seen people get busted for fake ID because other stuff in their wallet didn't match the license. Most people's fake ID can't stand up to scrutiny.

You're right that the problem is the employees who don't recognize authentic money. When I first worked in a convenience store I was trained on how to identify fake currency and we didn't use those "pens".