Ancient Warrior donning gold coin shaped armor, uses spears and rides horses

Abel007

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Topic really says all I need to say. Wish I had a picture but I can't remember what they were called!

Thanks,
-Jason
 

sdifox

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Err, almost every army from that time had cavalry with ring mail and spears.
 

lyssword

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Dude, Cataphracts are so overpowerd in CBA AOE:aoc at igz :p They just eat melee for breakfast and still pretty good vs archer uniques.
 

lyssword

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: Abel007

This is it! Sorry my description was so vague. A co-worker gave me the information and was wanting to know the actual word. Cataphract is what he was looking for. Where the "Starts with A.." came from I'm not sure.

Wait, where is the armor shaped like a coin?

He means it looks like it's made out of coins, which is chain-mail armor.
 

Kelvrick

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Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: Abel007

This is it! Sorry my description was so vague. A co-worker gave me the information and was wanting to know the actual word. Cataphract is what he was looking for. Where the "Starts with A.." came from I'm not sure.

Wait, where is the armor shaped like a coin?

He means it looks like it's made out of coins, which is chain-mail armor.

Chainmail and ringmail use the ring shapes, but he said coins, which made me think of scale armor.
 

TehMac

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Cataphracts very rarely used chainmail. Greek Cataphracts used scale, Romans same, and the Byzantines didn't really have cataphracts, but kataphractoi, which sounds the same, but were less armored, and lamellar armored.
 

ElFenix

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i love using cataphracts with the seleucid empire in the end game of rome:tw. just have to bribe those pesky egyptian armies during the run up.
 

andylawcc

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Cataphracts very rarely used chainmail. Greek Cataphracts used scale, Romans same, and the Byzantines didn't really have cataphracts, but kataphractoi, which sounds the same, but were less armored, and lamellar armored.

that's some 133t knowledge....
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: TehMac
Cataphracts very rarely used chainmail. Greek Cataphracts used scale, Romans same, and the Byzantines didn't really have cataphracts, but kataphractoi, which sounds the same, but were less armored, and lamellar armored.

that's some 133t knowledge....

haha, well, let me tell you, I have been studying all sorts of history, and such, and I enjoy studying the evolution of military history, so there's a bit more to it.

What Kataphractoi really were in Byzantium were lamellar and chain armored men with strong horses. The horses tended to have frontal armor, but these Kataphractoi were easy to maintain (relatively; standing armies are a HEAVY BLOW to any nation, and Byzantium was no exception).

The Cataphract (which literally means 'covered in') that appeared in early Roma Nova's history (Roma Nova is the real name of Constantinople, now Istanbul) would be really a Cilibinarii, and more heavily armored. The Greeks first started using "Cataphracts" (or Cilibinarii) in the Hellenestic period, inspired by the Persians. When Rome and Parthia smashed the Greek Power in Persia, Western use of the cataphract died out, until the early 3rd century A.D., when cilibinarii were revived in the need for a more adequate response to Parthia (the then Middle Eastern power) and her Horse Archers and heavily armored nobility(also known as 'cataphracts.'

The Samartians who were a semitic-Turkic peoples north east of the empire, around the black sea, and related to the Scythians, were the first employed as direct mercenaries of Rome.

Then, the Romans integrated this troop type into their army, with Samartians still playing a role. With the fall of the Western Roman Empire, heavy cavalry present in that area were the Ostrogothic, Lombard, Frankish, and Burgundian nobility, who transformed themselves into a Feudal societies.

In the East, the wealth of the Eastern Empire was enough to field heavy cavalry, but not enough to field literal cataphracts. It's understandable, because you need a horse capable of bearing not only its own armor of maybe 60 pounds, depending on the material, but also a rider in perhaps 70 pounds of armor.

For this reason, Cataphracts tended not to charge, because their energy would soon be expended. Instead, they would assume a broad wedge formation and assume a sort of brisk trot and slowly trample their foes down by an almost inexorable, bludgeoning force.

So feel free to ask me questions, it'd be a pleasure.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: Abel007

This is it! Sorry my description was so vague. A co-worker gave me the information and was wanting to know the actual word. Cataphract is what he was looking for. Where the "Starts with A.." came from I'm not sure.

Wait, where is the armor shaped like a coin?

He means it looks like it's made out of coins, which is chain-mail armor.
Uh, chain mail is not made of coins.