Anartica Sets New Record for sea ice area

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What I find MOST interesting about this is that not a single global warming theorist predicted this 25 years ago. NONE of them saw this coming. Good god, if they couldn't predict something this massive, how the hell are we to take any of their predictions seriously? Global warming theorists have proven beyond doubt that they are very good at creating models that can do a reasonable job of simulating past climate. At the same time they have proven beyond ALL doubt that they are completely abysmal at creating models that accurately predict future climate. Literally NOTHING they predict occurs and tons of stuff they didn't predict happens.

The new record anomaly for Southern Hemisphere sea ice, the ice encircling the southernmost continent, is 2.074 million square kilometers and was posted for the first time by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign’s The Cryosphere Today early Sunday morning.
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/29/antarctica-sets-new-record-for-sea-ice-area/
 
Paratus

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I give bshole a stack of 500 sheets of paper. I then take 496 sheets away. Bshole arranges the last 4 to make one big square.

I say he's lost 99% of his paper.
Bshole says he has 4 times as much.
 
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fskimospy

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Why don't you talk about Antarctic ice as a whole instead of sea ice? Oh wait, I already know the answer.

It's the same reason our good friend Watts doesn't want to talk about it. It shows that climate scientists were right.
 
glenn1

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Yawn. Wake me when a carbon tax or other statistically significant government program is put in place then I'll care. Until then, argue away about "settled science" or whatnot to your hearts' content since we'll all be dead before the global warming folks would get their way.
 
bshole

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eskimospy said:
Why don't you talk about Antarctic ice as a whole instead of sea ice? Oh wait, I already know the answer.

It's the same reason our good friend Watts doesn't want to talk about it. It shows that climate scientists were right.
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Eski,

Right back at you.

If Antarctica sea ice doesn't matter, why does Arctic sea ice matter so much?
 
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bshole said:
What I find MOST interesting about this is that not a single global warming theorist predicted this 25 years ago. NONE of them saw this coming. Good god, if they couldn't predict something this massive, how the hell are we to take any of their predictions seriously? Global warming theorists have proven beyond doubt that they are very good at creating models that can do a reasonable job of simulating past climate. At the same time they have proven beyond ALL doubt that they are completely abysmal at creating models that accurately predict future climate. Literally NOTHING they predict occurs and tons of stuff they didn't predict happens.



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/29/antarctica-sets-new-record-for-sea-ice-area/
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Do you really expect the climate models to predict everything that will happen in the world every year including weather changes?

Edit: if you would like to understand the reasons for this increase you can look it up. But really you need to stay away from that website you're on as it's only good an misinforming.
 
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bshole

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ralfy said:
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...tic-sea-ice-latest-global-warming-distraction
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Um....... no.

The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high – confounding climate change computer models which say it should be in decline.

America’s National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1 million more than is usual for the time of year.
It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979.
In statistical terms, the extent of the ice cover is hugely significant.

It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen.

The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html
 
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bshole said:
What I find MOST interesting about this is that not a single global warming theorist predicted this 25 years ago. NONE of them saw this coming. Good god, if they couldn't predict something this massive, how the hell are we to take any of their predictions seriously? Global warming theorists have proven beyond doubt that they are very good at creating models that can do a reasonable job of simulating past climate. At the same time they have proven beyond ALL doubt that they are completely abysmal at creating models that accurately predict future climate. Literally NOTHING they predict occurs and tons of stuff they didn't predict happens.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/29/antarctica-sets-new-record-for-sea-ice-area/
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Here's a good write-up that explains why climate change is in fact a contributor to the increasing Antarctic sea-ice extent:

It really is climate change

The Southern Annular Mode (also called the Antarctic Oscillation) is a term that describes the north-south position of the westerly wind belt that encircles Antarctica in the Southern Ocean. These winds are known variously as the “roaring 40s”, “furious 50s”, and “screaming 60s” depending on their latitude, and when they meet sea ice they drive it northwards (away from Antarctica). Like many other climate patterns (such as El Niño/La Niña), SAM has “positive” and “negative” phases. A positive SAM pushes the winds south to higher latitudes, meaning they encounter more sea ice, pushing more of it northwards and increasing the total ice extent. The Amundsen Sea Low also strengthens with the Southern Annular Mode’s positive phase. The mode has been strongly positive over the past three decades, helping to explain the overall increase in Antarctic sea ice extent, as well as the regional variations.

But that isn’t global warming … or is it?

Here’s the kicker: The strengthening of SAM over recent decades has been directly linked to human activity. Since the 1940s, ozone depletion and increasing greenhouse gases have caused the westerly winds to intensify and migrate south toward Antarctica.

The net effect of this drives sea ice further north and increases its total extent. There is still plenty of great work ahead to improve our understanding and modeling of Antarctica’s climate, but a basic message is emerging. Far from discounting climate change in the Southern Hemisphere, the apparent paradox of Antarctic sea ice is telling us that it is real and that we are contributing to it. The Antarctic canary is alive, but its feathers are increasingly wind-ruffled.
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Thread backfire rofl...

bshole said:
Um....... no.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html
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No offense, but you either need to learn to read or you need to stop trolling.

You're arguing that total area as in mi^2 covered by ice has increased, while guardian says the total volume of ice as in mi^3 has been steadily decreasing in the last 30 years. The area is important, but the volume is what we should be most concerned about. Decreasing volume means we're losing ice due to climate change.
 
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bshole said:
Its spelled "good" and "reading". I may not be very good at reading but at least I can SPELL simple words. My kids spell better than you.
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Read your thread title a few times, then read this post of yours, then look up the definition of the word irony.
 
bshole

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thraashman said:
Read your thread title a few times, then read this post of yours, then look up the definition of the word irony.
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Yea I know, Anarctica is spelled wrong.... I noticed it right after I posted. That was a typing error not a spelling error. I never spell things wrong but I frequently have typing errors..... BIG difference.
 
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bshole said:
Yea I know, Anarctica is spelled wrong.... I noticed it right after I posted. That was a typing error not a spelling error. I never spell things wrong but I frequently have typing errors..... BIG difference.
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Want to try one more time?
 
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Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at Australia’s University of New South Wales, said it was “silly” to suggest he and 73 others aboard the MV Akademic Shokalskiy were trapped in ice they’d sought to prove had melted. He remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas.
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Just a data point.

Uno
 
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bshole said:
Yea I know, Anarctica is spelled wrong.... I noticed it right after I posted. That was a typing error not a spelling error. I never spell things wrong but I frequently have typing errors..... BIG difference.
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LOL
 
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