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http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/9627

Here read a real review.....

Anantechs review is so lame even TomsHardware's was better....

the choice of benchmarks is appalling,....The amount of different applications is terribly lacking from the others and the use of synthetic and gaming test make up almost the enitre article...other sites clearly balance much better..

Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:

With an AT review I am like where is the rest!!!! Going downhill IMO...



 
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Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
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I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
 
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Originally posted by: dug777
Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
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I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
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Oh my viral Intel fanboy..

I never said the conroe review wasn't right, just the fact that AT would stand so readily behind a controlled situation....

I wont have egg on my face no matter what the final review says...Other then fanboy butt kissers like you I choose to wait until real release and have skepticism about any test where themanufacturer of the product controls the test and only know the true variables....

After AT's reviews I have skepticism they even know what they are doing anymore....

i mean I might as well read a review from YOU!!!

They dont anger me FOOL!!! I want t see reviews with application other then synthetics and games...Techreport smoked AT pathetic review with plenty of video/audio/ and CAD apps...Tomshardware also biatch slapped AT's review with far more audio/video apps....

Then you have AT's whopping 1 test...SpecCap!~!! Hahahah Nice try....Toms had 3d studio max 8....


 
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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
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I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
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Oh my viral Intel fanboy..

I never said the conroe review wasn't right, just the fact that AT would stand so readily behind a controlled situation....

I wont have egg on my face no matter what the final review says...Other then fanboy butt kissers like you I choose to wait until real release and have skepticism about any test where themanufacturer of the product controls the test and only know the true variables....

After AT's reviews I have skepticism they even know what they are doing anymore....

i mean I might as well read a review from YOU!!!

They dont anger me FOOL!!! I want t see reviews with application other then synthetics and games...Techreport smoked AT pathetic review with plenty of video/audio/ and CAD apps...Tomshardware also biatch slapped AT's review with far more audio/video apps....

Then you have AT's whopping 1 test...SpecCap!~!! Hahahah Nice try....Toms had 3d studio max 8....
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The infantile insults just keep rolling out don't they ;) To think some people consider you Mod material...

I can't see how i'm a 'fanboy butt kisser' and 'viral marketer' (to use your oh so mature tags ;)) for taking a keen interest in new tech, and i'd do it regardless of who was releasing it. I've spent my time here recomending peopl to buy A64/X2 so it's a pretty crazy and retarded claim to make anywho...

I think Anand a)has vastly more experience than you or pretty much anyone else on teh forum b)has no conceivable reason to lie to us about conroe, potentially damaging both his & his site's reputation (aside from bribery, and that's a pretty big call to make), c)has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...

I agree the AT review is a bit lacking, but like i said, it provides a brief overview, and it has a very interesting conroe comparison page...

no one is making you read it at teh end of the day...
 
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
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I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
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Oh my viral Intel fanboy..

I never said the conroe review wasn't right, just the fact that AT would stand so readily behind a controlled situation....

I wont have egg on my face no matter what the final review says...Other then fanboy butt kissers like you I choose to wait until real release and have skepticism about any test where themanufacturer of the product controls the test and only know the true variables....

After AT's reviews I have skepticism they even know what they are doing anymore....

i mean I might as well read a review from YOU!!!

They dont anger me FOOL!!! I want t see reviews with application other then synthetics and games...Techreport smoked AT pathetic review with plenty of video/audio/ and CAD apps...Tomshardware also biatch slapped AT's review with far more audio/video apps....

Then you have AT's whopping 1 test...SpecCap!~!! Hahahah Nice try....Toms had 3d studio max 8....
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The infantile insults just keep rolling out don't they ;) To think some people consider you Mod material...

I can't see how i'm a 'fanboy butt kisser' and 'viral marketer' (to use your oh so mature tags ;)) for taking a keen interest in new tech, and i'd do it regardless of who was releasing it. I've spent my time here recomending peopl to buy A64/X2 so it's a pretty crazy and retarded claim to make anywho...

I think Anand a)has vastly more experience than you or pretty much anyone else on teh forum b)has no conceivable reason to lie to us about conroe, potentially damaging both his & his site's reputation (aside from bribery, and that's a pretty big call to make), c)has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...

I agree the AT review is a bit lacking, but like i said, it provides a brief overview, and it has a very interesting conroe comparison page...

no one is making you read it at teh end of the day...
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You deserve name calling...with post like this

Who said lieing??? Who said bribery...I am just saying incompetence....I am saying naive...

I dont care how much experience he or whomever is doing the reviews....They have sucked of late and I am not the only one to notice it....The other sites are clearly outdoing them right now...


has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...
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How much of this exploring did they get to do...playing with it in windows doesn't say much....Afetr their initial correction it only comfirms what I am saying...

I am a bit embarassed to be honest!!!
 
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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
Click to expand...

I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
Click to expand...



Oh my viral Intel fanboy..

I never said the conroe review wasn't right, just the fact that AT would stand so readily behind a controlled situation....

I wont have egg on my face no matter what the final review says...Other then fanboy butt kissers like you I choose to wait until real release and have skepticism about any test where themanufacturer of the product controls the test and only know the true variables....

After AT's reviews I have skepticism they even know what they are doing anymore....

i mean I might as well read a review from YOU!!!

They dont anger me FOOL!!! I want t see reviews with application other then synthetics and games...Techreport smoked AT pathetic review with plenty of video/audio/ and CAD apps...Tomshardware also biatch slapped AT's review with far more audio/video apps....

Then you have AT's whopping 1 test...SpecCap!~!! Hahahah Nice try....Toms had 3d studio max 8....
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The infantile insults just keep rolling out don't they ;) To think some people consider you Mod material...

I can't see how i'm a 'fanboy butt kisser' and 'viral marketer' (to use your oh so mature tags ;)) for taking a keen interest in new tech, and i'd do it regardless of who was releasing it. I've spent my time here recomending peopl to buy A64/X2 so it's a pretty crazy and retarded claim to make anywho...

I think Anand a)has vastly more experience than you or pretty much anyone else on teh forum b)has no conceivable reason to lie to us about conroe, potentially damaging both his & his site's reputation (aside from bribery, and that's a pretty big call to make), c)has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...

I agree the AT review is a bit lacking, but like i said, it provides a brief overview, and it has a very interesting conroe comparison page...

no one is making you read it at teh end of the day...
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You deserve name calling...with post like this

Who said lieing??? Who said bribery...I am just saying incompetence....I am saying naive...

I dont care how much experience he or whomever is doing the reviews....They have sucked of late and I am not the only one to notice it....The other sites are clearly outdoing them right now...


has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...
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How much of this exploring did they get to do...playing with it in windows doesn't say much....Afetr their initial correction it only comfirms what I am saying...

I am a bit embarassed to be honest!!!
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incompetence & naivety doesn't get you anandtech.com @23yrs of age does it? Think about that.

 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dug777
Perhaps AT learned some review tips from their "special" Intel Conroe testing!!! :roll:
Click to expand...

I get the funny feeling that those articles really upset you :laugh:

I guess it will take until the full launch of Conroe to get you to stfu about that (q3 so at least it isn't far away now ;)), you'll either be proven gloriously right that Anand is either gullible or corrupt, or you'll get egg all over your face ;)

I found the review concise & a bit brief, but it gave a pretty adequate overview & the conclusion seemed fair...

The big comparison tables with conroe as well were pretty interesting reading i thought.
Click to expand...



Oh my viral Intel fanboy..

I never said the conroe review wasn't right, just the fact that AT would stand so readily behind a controlled situation....

I wont have egg on my face no matter what the final review says...Other then fanboy butt kissers like you I choose to wait until real release and have skepticism about any test where themanufacturer of the product controls the test and only know the true variables....

After AT's reviews I have skepticism they even know what they are doing anymore....

i mean I might as well read a review from YOU!!!

They dont anger me FOOL!!! I want t see reviews with application other then synthetics and games...Techreport smoked AT pathetic review with plenty of video/audio/ and CAD apps...Tomshardware also biatch slapped AT's review with far more audio/video apps....

Then you have AT's whopping 1 test...SpecCap!~!! Hahahah Nice try....Toms had 3d studio max 8....
Click to expand...

The infantile insults just keep rolling out don't they ;) To think some people consider you Mod material...

I can't see how i'm a 'fanboy butt kisser' and 'viral marketer' (to use your oh so mature tags ;)) for taking a keen interest in new tech, and i'd do it regardless of who was releasing it. I've spent my time here recomending peopl to buy A64/X2 so it's a pretty crazy and retarded claim to make anywho...

I think Anand a)has vastly more experience than you or pretty much anyone else on teh forum b)has no conceivable reason to lie to us about conroe, potentially damaging both his & his site's reputation (aside from bribery, and that's a pretty big call to make), c)has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...

I agree the AT review is a bit lacking, but like i said, it provides a brief overview, and it has a very interesting conroe comparison page...

no one is making you read it at teh end of the day...
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You deserve name calling...with post like this

Who said lieing??? Who said bribery...I am just saying incompetence....I am saying naive...

I dont care how much experience he or whomever is doing the reviews....They have sucked of late and I am not the only one to notice it....The other sites are clearly outdoing them right now...


has actually used the hardware, booted it, restarted it, played with it, which is something no one on this forum (including you) have been able to do, so he's in a pretty good position to make a judgement call on it...
Click to expand...

How much of this exploring did they get to do...playing with it in windows doesn't say much....Afetr their initial correction it only comfirms what I am saying...

I am a bit embarassed to be honest!!!
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incompetence & naivety doesn't get you anandtech.com @23yrs of age does it? Think about that.
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He definitely has wonderful business sense....Doing a review?? not so great...Remember I am not even commenting on his conclusions...I am mainly just talking about the test he used....
 
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I dont care how much experience he or whomever is doing the reviews....They have sucked of late and I am not the only one to notice it...
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No you're not the only one.. DP has PM me about it - Video forum complains about sparse benches by anandtech w/7900..Anand did'nt even review 930/940/920. Instead they review products that arnt out yet, they did'nt set up and they did'nt even get to look inside box.

Hey D maybe shortstaff maybe they need our help?:D I could'nt handle paycut or turning hobby into work:D
 
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Originally posted by: Zebo
I dont care how much experience he or whomever is doing the reviews....They have sucked of late and I am not the only one to notice it...
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No you're not the only one.. DP has PM me about it - Video forum complains about sparse benches by anandtech w/7900..Anand did'nt even review 930/940/920. Instead they review products that arnt out yet, they did'nt set up and they did'nt even get to look inside box.

Hey D maybe shortstaff maybe they need our help?:D I could'nt handle paycut or turning hobby into work:D
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Yeah it would be a paycut for me as well!!!! I will just go to another site to get my review...That is the beauty of the internet....
 
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the TechReport review is actually the worst one i've seen. I've lloked at about 10 reviews now, and everyone but TechReport shows the 965XE winning several benchmarks, but the Tech Report one is pretty much all FX60. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a crap about which is better, especially since both are the last of dying breeds (S939, and Netburst), and both are way to expensive. But when all the other reviews show the 965XE not doing all that bad it seems odd that it gets destroyed so badly in the TechReport review.
 
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Originally posted by: BrownTown
the TechReport review is actually the worst one i've seen. I've lloked at about 10 reviews now, and everyone but TechReport shows the 965XE winning several benchmarks, but the Tech Report one is pretty much all FX60. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a crap about which is better, especially since both are the last of dying breeds (S939, and Netburst), and both are way to expensive. But when all the other reviews show the 965XE not doing all that bad it seems odd that it gets destroyed so badly in the TechReport review.
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He has used the same suite of applications for sometime now, and it is by far the most complete...look at the number of synthetic apps...Look at how many other then game apps he runs....

I mean I could go use the crappy review by Xbitlabs that uses pages of pcmark and 3dmark test...

That must be the wins you talked about??? Did you like those? Is that the type of crap you like in your reviews?

If after reading that Xbit (or AT) review and you still think techreport was the worst review, then something is seriously wrong with you....


Tomshardware shows a lot of FX-60 wins as well....I dont see where they are that different....

Look at Toms and see how great once again the XE version (using HT cores) does in multitasking...quite disappointing a chip like the 920 beats the chip 666mhz higher clocked....I know the reason why it does but AT doesn't even touch on it....Again quite lacking...
 
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Intel guys love synthetics. How you like 3dmock? showing parity or even wins for 965 when in RL game it gets destroyed? Sometimes by cheap 3800!!
 
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Intel guys love synthetics. How you like 3dmock? showing parity or even wins for 965 when in RL game it gets destroyed? Sometimes by cheap 3800!!
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Yep...What about huge leads in PCmark??? Need I say more???

I just want to see AT do some real test....like they used to....It is first 3 pages of synthetics....sprinkle in an anemic amount of non gaming apps and then pound it with gaming....

No multitasking testing like it had been doing...I wonder why??? Is it cause XE's do poorly in multitasking and have noticeably done so since P-D XE 840?
 
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The review was pretty awful IMO (and I'm being very kind here) Par for the course lately for Anandtech.
 
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The only thing I can think of, is that he (Anand) will read this and start doing the reviews like he did in the past...Yes I know there are lots of gamers in here, but even most of them do other things with their PC and would like to see those comparisons...

A dual core review and especially one with an XE and 4 virtual cores should have had a multitasking chart like past dual cores have and Tomshardware has...

Should see more balance in the test used...less synthetics...since Intel seems to win 3dmark yet did not win one game and has not in awhile it should make any self-respecting reviewer question its usefulness....



The only thing I ask for....i am not questioning his technical jargin at the beginning or many of his conclusions...just the test and the layout of the review....

 
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And to think I once thought the Irish were foolish to be fighting each other over Catholicism versus Protestantism.
Now we get these insults over pieces of silicon.
What next, what etching process is better for circuit boards?
 
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Insults aside, this is a discussion hardware forum and we are discussing the article and precisely as it pertains to the test anandtech used....since it was a review on cpus it has a place in this forum...

Have comment on that??? otherwise nothing to see move along...I am not even commenting about results just methodology...please read the main post...it is not about better or what each chip did against one another that I have an issue with or why I wrote this thread....


Dug and I are cool, and we both agree to talk about the topic....
 
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also interesting that people run websites where they spend hours of work to provide you with free (and hopefully unbiased) information regarding the newest computer hardware and yet so many people complain... beggers can't be choosers. If it weren't for sites like this you'd just have to take AMD and Intels word for which was better, or trust those fools who work at computer stores, or companies like DELL who are getting all kinds of money to preach the party line.
 
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Originally posted by: BrownTown
also interesting that people run websites where they spend hours of work to provide you with free (and hopefully unbiased) information regarding the newest computer hardware and yet so many people complain... beggers can't be choosers. If it weren't for sites like this you'd just have to take AMD and Intels word for which was better, or trust those fools who work at computer stores, or companies like DELL who are getting all kinds of money to preach the party line.
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Valid point!!! However why it is true and we should be grateful that Anand has this great resource for us, it doesn't mean we cannot ask for more and expect it....especially when we used to get it.... He does ask us time to time as well as some of the other staff on advice or ideas for reviews....In thos post I have always said better test balance...They had it more at one time and less now..That is what I am commenting on and I dont think it is that difficult...


I do have the ability and the right to my opinion...I will still read Anand's stuff...I just dont look for them first and consider them the top site anymore...My opinion....

"what say you" (crap I may have to pay Oreilly royalties)


Just your opinion ppl...I like to hear it...
 
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"Under load at 4.53GHz, the 965 doesn't exactly conform to the Kyoto protocol, but it could be worse?as the Extreme Edition 840 is." Quoted from the linked article at The Tech Report.

LOL

Great article.

Everybody has an opinion. Or so I've been told.
 
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For what it's worth, I did find the 965 review a bit light. However, I wrote that off as its just a speed bump and not a major revision. I also was hoping they were busy preparing other major reviews (like the PPU, new 7600 GT, etc) and so didn't have time to really do a indepth review of the 965.
 
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Originally posted by: lifeblood
For what it's worth, I did find the 965 review a bit light. However, I wrote that off as its just a speed bump and not a major revision. I also was hoping they were busy preparing other major reviews (like the PPU, new 7600 GT, etc) and so didn't have time to really do a indepth review of the 965.
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Well they like to do lots of gaming test..so you may be right!!!!

Past reviews have been getting noticeably worse...so the pattern has been there for a bit and often at times with no other major reviews coming...

A bit light is like saying Star Jones is skinny...

 
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It looks like Techreport was running XP64 and AT was running 32 bit XP for some of those tests where different scores are being pointed out.

The ones Zebo pointed out appear to have this difference.

Tech Report:
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 2 (WorldBench only)

AT:
Windows XP Professional SP2
 
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Good catch....

Like I said I wasn't commenting about 1 test score versus another but the amount of test and differing test used.....
 
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