Anand's look at the 8500 with revised drivers is up!!!

[Mookow]

Here

It looks better this time around. Still doesnt beat the Ti500 like you would expect by just looking at the hardware spec sheets, but its getting better

 

[kazeakuma]

mmmm
An improvement. I may hold off a little longer on them, but if they can get it fixed in another then I'll probably get one. (It's still not fixed in my mind).

 

[ChrisIsBored]

sweet.. i'm starting to think twice about getting a GeForce 3... nVidia is evil... but ATI needs to work out more bugs before I make a purchase...

 

[j@cko]

nVidia is evil alright, but they are good at what they are doing... Unlike ATi... they cannot even do both.

 

[Adul]

mmmmsmooth vision.

 

[DoOLiE11]

yay...mnot just waiting till that 8500dv comes out

 

[ROcHE]

I'm wainting for some kind of low price best bang for the buck 8500 model like the radeon LE was.

 

[Orbius]

The 8500 is now officially a better card than the Ti500 now to me. Its right there in speed, and more importantly it has features like 6 textures/pass, truform, smoothvision, 1.4 pixel shaders. 8500 is a winner over the Ti500.

 

[jm0ris0n]

wolfenstein + smoothvision = mmmmmmmmmmm

 

[yaethom]

So the big question....

ATI 8500 or Nvidia Geforce3 Ti200??

I can't decide now... before I was leaning towards the Ti200

 

[SnowPunk98]

Geforce 2 Ti 200 ATi still sucks so does the 8500

 

[AA0]

Tom has a much better article showing the quality and speed differences. Anand's, yet again, has the NVidia card winning everything, no big surprise.

 

[Novgrod]

Before you accuse Anand of intentional bias in favor of nvidia, you should find proof. Personally I think that Anand's benchmarks are more thorough than Tom's by a good margin, what with using more than quake3 for all open gl performance. I think that if Anand were biased, ATi wouldn't grace him with a personal preview of its products.

You should all buy ATi, by the way. I'll buy nvidia because I think it's a better product, but there will be enough people buying nvidia already and we need two players in this market

 

[AGodspeed]

Before you accuse Anand of intentional bias in favor of nvidia, you should find proof. Personally I think that Anand's benchmarks are more thorough than Tom's by a good margin, what with using more than quake3 for all open gl performance. I think that if Anand were biased, ATi wouldn't grace him with a personal preview of its products.

Don't worry about AA0, he calls every site "biased" when the results aren't in favor of ATi. It's called ATidiotism.

Granted, the 8500 looks much better now. But in looking at all the image quality differences, for crying out loud, it is so minuscule that there's no point in even trying to compare. You literally have to zoom in to even get a hint of difference between the 8500 and the TI 500.

Since 95% of gamers buy cards based on speed and reputation, the 8500 is certainly going to need just a little more time to win over in that arena for gamers.

 

[Diable]

I love how every reviewer is bias if they don't agree with you. Some of you guys need to start your own damn hardware sites and stop running your months on message boards.

 

[CraigRT]

<< Tom has a much better article showing the quality and speed differences. Anand's, yet again, has the NVidia card winning everything, no big surprise. >>



/rant

Maybe because it's better? I think so...
Toms' Hardware is a retarded site which most of us love to hate.. he sucks! he is biased against what everyone likes for good reasons...
don't ask me for any examples or anything else i simply dislike Tom's and I always will... you remember the CPU frying video.. what a geek..

/rant over

 

[tristramshandy]

Sorry, but I confess, I usually end-up attempting to judge prudentially about which web-opinions are most credible. There was a "stunt-aspect" to Tom's portrayal of the failure of the AMD XP CPU. If Chris Tom of AMDzone.com were a Christian evangelist, he'd be what we call a zealous "foot-washer" in Alabama (or a snake-handler, for that matter). But he was right to point out that Tom will blithely put up Intel wallpaper around his articles if a new proc has just been hatched....

Anyhoo, I'd be keen to buy the ATI 8500 if I thought it had genuinely respectable 3d performance. Recently bought the Gainward Cardexpert Golden Sample, and while the framerate may be just above the respectable now (and soon to be standard), the 2-D is obviously better than the Elsa Gladiac I was using. So I's slap-happy at the moment.

 

[Soccerman]

I'm sorry but before you start flaming or calling names, perhaps you should see the only possible reason WHY there's such a difference. did any of you look at toms PREVIOUS 8500 look? using the 7191 drivers, which means windows 9x. he did this 8500 look with the 7206 drivers.

guess what Anand did HIS review on? the worst OS that he could find: XP

why do I say the worst? first it appears to have the most bugs in it with the Radeon 8500, AND by itself

second, who needs all that extra crap that you have to go about disabling (I'd much rather go with an OS that doesn't require me to hunt down 'features' and disable them).

 

[Akaz1976]

can any post the link to toms review?

 

[AGodspeed]

can any post the link to toms review?

http://www.tomshardware.com/business/01q4/011114/index.html

 

[The Sauce]

I am plesantly surprised. I may just hold off on that GF3 now and see what comes next with these drivers.

 

[Napalm]

Toms' Hardware is a retarded site which most of us love to hate.. he sucks! he is biased against what everyone likes for good reasons...
don't ask me for any examples or anything else i simply dislike Tom's and I always will...

Yield, this is intelligent...

 

[BFG10K]

I am pleasantly surprised at ATi's progress with these drivers. Sure they've got a long way to go but at least they've made a positive start.

 

[formulav8]

I do not understand why anand used Windows XP as the OS for benchmarking. Many Many Many more people uses Window 9x. His review put the Radeon in the worst light. But I'm also sure Nvidia hasn't got the WinXP drivers the way they want them either. Of course its just IMO.


Jason