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daywalker

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I read it. This card rocks. Imagine the performance boost when it will have better drivers in the future.
 
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Did they measure heat (relative to the ti4600) during the bench marks -- aka does the card run hot or cool or somehwere inbetween. Also how much power does it draw (relative tothe ti4600)
 
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Originally posted by: daywalker
I read it. This card rocks. Imagine the performance boost when it will have better drivers in the future.
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call me skeptical, but like that's ever gonna happen. have to admit, the hardware is damn nice
 
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Anand sure managed to bash ATI despite the great performance of the card. I was surprised to see him write that people should wait for the NV30. Why didn't he tell people to wait for the 9700 in his review of the Ti4600?
 
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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Anand sure managed to bash ATI despite the great performance of the card. I was surprised to see him write that people should wait for the NV30. Why didn't he tell people to wait for the 9700 in his review of the Ti4600?
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I dont think he said something like that in his review

 
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Of all the reviews *THIS* "review" was by FAR the worst - the conclusion alone was enough for to reveal where this site belong - after reading ALL other sites, they all came to the same conclusion (Except this one). I just have 1 question, what is it that NV30 WILL offer that will make it worthwhile, and don't forget that it'll be hard to recommend that card also, as the same situation will be exist when the NV30 is released (R350 will be released 3 month later than NV30).
Sorry to break it - but this review is being rediculed even by NV fan sites.

And how will a GF4 Ti4600 be able to compete with the RADEON 9700 that is clocked 300/300? - do anyone really believe that a 25MHz VPU clock + 10MHz (DDR) Mem clock will make such a difference that the GF4 in ANY incarnation will be able to compete - who are you trying to mislead?

This one really needs an explanation:
The Radeon 9700Pro allows the gamer to do the following with CURRENT games:
Play at high resolution, with both FSAA and Aniso.

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The first point is moot because you should never buy a video card based on the performance it will offer in games that are no where near being released.

Now what is it that NV30 will offer in CURRENT games that will make it worthwhile the wait?


And just look at the conclusion of the GF4 which NOWHERE showed the gains that the Radeon 9700Pro did:

For now, the GeForce4 has been the first NVIDIA GPU in recent history to hit the market in such an impressive fashion. The GeForce3 was exciting but it offered limited performance gains; the Ti 500 gave us another performance boost but nothing too impressive. The GeForce4 however is not only improved architecturally but its raw power boost translates into some serious performance gains even today, not to mention all of the feature improvements such as accuview AA and nView multimonitor support.

There is excuse to give this site the benefit of doubt anylonger.
 
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SSXeon5

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Originally posted by: TheHip
Of all the reviews *THIS* "review" was by FAR the worst - the conclusion alone was enough for to reveal where this site belong - after reading ALL other sites, they all came to the same conclusion (Except this one). I just have 1 question, what is it that NV30 WILL offer that will make it worthwhile, and don't forget that it'll be hard to recommend that card also, as the same situation will be exist when the NV30 is released (R350 will be released 3 month later than NV30).
Sorry to break it - but this review is being rediculed even by NV fan sites.

And how will a GF4 Ti4600 be able to compete with the RADEON 9700 that is clocked 300/300? - do anyone really believe that a 25MHz VPU clock + 10MHz (DDR) Mem clock will make such a difference that the GF4 in ANY incarnation will be able to compete - who are you trying to mislead?

This one really needs an explanation:
The Radeon 9700Pro allows the gamer to do the following with CURRENT games:
Play at high resolution, with both FSAA and Aniso.

QUOTE:
The first point is moot because you should never buy a video card based on the performance it will offer in games that are no where near being released.

Now what is it that NV30 will offer in CURRENT games that will make it worthwhile the wait?


And just look at the conclusion of the GF4 which NOWHERE showed the gains that the Radeon 9700Pro did:

For now, the GeForce4 has been the first NVIDIA GPU in recent history to hit the market in such an impressive fashion. The GeForce3 was exciting but it offered limited performance gains; the Ti 500 gave us another performance boost but nothing too impressive. The GeForce4 however is not only improved architecturally but its raw power boost translates into some serious performance gains even today, not to mention all of the feature improvements such as accuview AA and nView multimonitor support.

There is excuse to give this site the benefit of doubt anylonger.
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I really couldnt agree more, i mean the GF4 still to me is a POS, at the time you could get a R8500 64MB for $150 and be happy with its great AF, AA, hydravision, DVD playback, great IQ and for a great price. And now the 9700 does it again, and gets no credit by anand. It is sad, and i could give a crap about NV30, where is it? I hate all talk and no show, the 9700 is out and king period.

SSXeon
 
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Thats not impressive enough to make me want to get rid of my gerforce 4. I'll keep my money this time.
 
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I think his point was that we can already play most available games at 1600x1200 with 4xAA at over 100fps and there is really no need to spend this much money until games using the Doom3 and Unreal2 engines are released. Until then the only benefit you will have with this card is the ability to run Aniso in addition to 4xAA with current games.
 
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SickBeast

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Anand has always done his best to show ATI in the worst light possible. I remember the article he wrote on a pre-production Radeon 8500 with beta drivers...basically, he said that the card was a POS, when in reality it beats out a GF3ti500. Check out the review on HardOCP for a more unbiased opinion on the 9700...you will definately see the difference. When a card such as the 9700 can beat out the fastest competing card by over 200%, it deserves much more credit than Anand has given it. Maybe he owns a ton of Nvidia stock...or else maybe he just doesn't want to make Nvidia mad. I've heard of sites not getting hardware for review any more because they didn't show a certain company's hardware in a good light.
 
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lifeguard1999

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Of all the reviews *THIS* "review" was by FAR the worst
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Au contraire. THG called it the "Pretender to the Throne". Anand did CPU scaling across a wide range of CPU speeds. THG only took 3 data points for CPU scaling.
 
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SickBeast

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HardOCP was banned by Matrox because they thought they would be too hard on their hardware. It says near the bottom of the article that Matrox changed their minds 2 hours later. I find HardOCP to be the most unbiased hardware site on the 'net. Dr. Tom is totally AMD/Nvidia biased, and Anand simply has something against ATI. Very strange indeed.
 
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Gonad the Barbarian

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I don't know if Anand is genuinely biased or what, but he does seem to say things that come off as extremely biased, this one from the 9700 preview still sticks out in my mind:

ATI?s drivers have always been their weakness and, unfortunately, it does not look like much has changed with the R300. On the positive side, we didn?t encounter any performance, compatibility or image quality issues with the current build of the R300 drivers during our time with it. The card and its drivers ran through our entire benchmark suite just fine; but it is obvious that a significant amount of time has been wasted by redesigning the R300 drivers and we hope that no issues crop up in other games, though it is hard to believe that they will not.
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Even at that time, and he says so himself, the drivers appeared to be solid (contradicting the second statement in the first sentence), and he still had to throw in some doom & gloom about issues that *might* come up. Yes ATI has a bad track record with drivers, yes not going to a unified architecture is probably bad, but if there isn't anything knock don't make something up. And personally, I see ATI taking a significant amount of time to redesign their drivers as a GOOD thing, and it looks like it has paid off.
 
Deeko

Deeko

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I didn't really notice any bias while reading it, but you guys do cite good examples. But regardless, this card is freakin awesome, and I can't wait to get mine.
 
BFG10K

BFG10K

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Well, it looks like ATi delivered what they promised - a killer card. And the best part is that the initial drivers appear to be excellent with only minor issues.

It's good to see the option to choose fast anisotropic and quality anisotropic alive and kicking and ATi's fast anisotropic method coupled with the power of the 9700 really makes for blazing framerates at high resolutions with the 16x setting, something that I've been after for a long time.

Am I going to buy one? I'm 90% sure that I will but first I'll wait for more indepth reviews that cover a wider range of games.
 
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