AnandAustin, step in here

[Saist]

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/atiradeon9000/


Radeon 8500
Radeon 9000 Pro
Radeon 9000

Chip Technology
256-bit
256-bit
256-bit

Memory Bandwidth
8,8 GB/s
8,8 GB/s
6,4 GB/s

AGP Bus
1x/2x/4x
1x/2x/4x/8x
1x/2x/4x/8x

Memory
64/128MB
64/128MB
64MB

GPU Clock
275 MHz
275 MHz
250 MHz

Memory Clock
MHz 275 (550)
MHz 275 (550)
MHz 200 (400) MHz

Vertex Shader
2
2
2

Pixel Pipelines
4
4
4

Texture Units Per Pipe
2
1
1

Textures per Texture Unit
3
6
6

Vertex Shader Version
1.1
1.1
1.1

Pixel S. Version
1.4
1.4
1.4

DirectX Generation
8.1
8.1
8.1

Memory Optimizations
Hyper Z II
Hyper Z II
Hyper Z II

Display Outputs
2
2
2

Chip Internal Ramdacs
2 x 400 MHz
2 x 400 MHz
2 x 400 MHz

Special
-
TV Encoder On-Chip;

FullStream
TV Encoder On-Chip;

FullStream

Estimated Price (US)
$179
$149
$109



Okay, the chart didn't copy.

But would you mind telling me where the Hell you got that the Radeon 9000 Pro was SLOWER and Less Powerful than the 8500 and 8500 LE?? According to this little chart put up, it's the same power and speed levels.

275/550 mhz. And looking at it, the pricing is better too.

Next time AnAndaustin. Do your homework and quit being an annoying jerk.

 

[AnAndAustin]

LOL, I hardly think singling out one individual is a worthwhile thing to do, a bit sad really, esp when you don't understand the topic.

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Clock speed and theoretical throughput is NOT the be all and end all of gfx cards you know. GF4MX420 (250/166), Rad7500 (290/460) and GF2GTS (200/333) all give VERY similar perf. Rad8500 (275/550), GF3TI500 (240/500) and GF4TI4200 (250/444) also all give similar perf too.

The Rad9000/9000pro cards are intended as competition for GF4MX cards (suped up GF2s) and NOT the superior GF3 or GF4TI line-up which is where the Rad8500/8500LE is aimed. Rad9000/pro are excellent cards and whip the GF4MX offerings and unlike other cards in their class they offer FULL DX8 hw functionality, but they still can't hold a candle to the Rad8500LE.

Here's how the Rad9000 is a slimmed down Rad8500 card, making it cheap enough to make but still kick the GF4MX cards' ass!

The RV250 core which powers the Rad9000pro is cheaper to make and therefore a slightly reduced version of the R200 chip that powers Radeon 8500. The 9000 has the 8500's four pixel pipelines but each pipe only lays down one texture per pass instead of two, but the 9000 can loop back 6 times to the 8500's 3 so that helps to even it out a little. 9000 features 1 vertex unit to the 8500's 2, albeit slightly optimized as version 1.1, still no substitute for 2 though. Rad9000 cards do have some improvements but NOT in the perf area. They have better dual display support because now the dual RAMDACs and enhanced TV unit are integrated into the chip preventing 3rd party Radeon manus to skimp on these features as SOME did with the 8500. The final improvement 9000 has is to 'de-block' MPEG playback using DX8 hw which should help low quality videos quite a lot, although I don't think it is as good at this as Rad9700's implimentation.

Now grow up.

 

[Mingon]

Being the teacher here I should step in and make you both miss your playtimes

 

[Actaeon]

Next time AnAndaustin. Do your homework and quit being an annoying jerk.

Saist, now now, insulting fellow members isn't a nice thing to do.

And the Radeon8500 is faster than the 9000.

 

[merlocka]

Next time AnAndaustin. Do your homework and quit being an annoying jerk.

Nothing more pathetic than someone trying to shoot down a claim (quite arrogantly at that), and being 99% wrong.

I say 99% because I think there is like 1 benchmark where the 9000 pro is like 1% faster than the 8500LE, but in general Saist is wrong.

Reading = good.

 

[gwlam12]

Sad sad sad result for an overconfident user.

 

[BCompDude]

Saist, you are utterly wrong. Anandaustin was correct in saying that the 8500 series is faster than the 9000 Pro. If anyone were to be labled as an "annoying jerk" it would have to be you. If you disagree with someones posting than you are more than welcome to show why they were wrong using facts. Resorting to name calling is childish and immature. How old are we now? Grow up.

 

[HeXeDOSOK]

I guess some people will never learn the difference between theoretical bandwidth, and actual performance. Something tells me he won't be responding to this thread again.

Edit: With that type of mentality, I'll just trash my GF4 ti4600 and get a Parhelia seeing that it has 7.2GB/s more bandwidth than my GF4...*sarcasm*

 

[jiffylube1024]

Yup, Saist - didn't you read the review/preview of the Radeon 9000/Pro here @ AT or at any other sites? The 8500 is much better/faster than the 9000. Also, your price list is utterly wrong:

Estimated Price (US)
Radeon 8500 $179
Radeon 9000 $149
Radeon 9000 Pro $109

For some time now, the Radeon 8500 has been <$100 US, making it quite a steal and a very popular choice. This list, based on MSRP or estimated street prices is completely out of alignment with what the bargain 8500 has been clearing out at.

 

[AnAndAustin]

Thank you jamie2833 and the others who have been supportive and found my comments informative and useful.

When it comes to hardware I pride myself on telling it like I see it and have found it to be usually from multiple sources, although this can rub people up the wrong way this is certainly NOT my intenetion. I am simply willing to jump in to a thread where everybody has been recommending brand A type A (A-A) and be sure to not only tell them the benefits AND drawbacks of A-A but also the relative merits AND drawbacks of A-B, B-A and so on where ever I believe it is relevant. This does often mean I get lynched for being pro B-A or anti A-A and I know I can come across as being big-headed or arrogant BUT again this is not my intention at all and I apologise in all cases where this has been people's interpretation. I do know my stuff, but I am also learning all the time and am FAR from infalible.

When 1 person begins to get agressive, offensive or sarcastic it does make it even harder for the following responses to be constructive, but I guess we can all try a bit harder there. I am not a fanboy of anything and I only contribute to these forums in order to learn a little but more so to help people to make informed decisions and bring a much needed balance due to mindless fanboys who would rather see somebody needlessly waste their money than to rec an 'evil' alternative. To help some people out I do often scour the web for sometimes hours and it is certainly nice to get a thank you rather than abuse beacause what I find is contrary or in direct opposition to what other people have said, but it is also important to rem that there are plenty of occasions when links don't show what I expected either.

I am more than open to other people's opinions, advice and suggestions especially in areas which come down to subjective matters, personal preferences or very close calls, although I can understand why it may not seem like it on occasions. Differing view points make the world a very interesting and diverse place ... I just find it VERY frustrating and annoying when people spout out comments which seem wildly untrue and lack any foundation or evidence, thus I do give plenty of evidence to back up what I believe which again incorrectly make me appear big-headed or dismissive. There are many less-knowledgable users browsing and an inaccurate statement could needlessly cost them a few hundred notes.

 

[bGIveNs33]

AnandAustin:

Like the others, I would like to thank you too. Through your posts, I have made much wiser decisions on what video cards to buy. You are one of the few selfless people who continue time and time again to offer your advice.

Thanks again,

Billy