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Anand CPU/Mobo socket roadmap (M2!!)

Soccerman06

Soccerman06

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Here is the link from Anand that shows AMDs full roadmap for the next year (up to Q2'06). All they really say is there will be DDR2 667 support and some "Security and Virtualization" technology that apparently "allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously." Sounds interesting.
And this was all released on July 21... yet not on the homepage

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476

Oh and post anything else you guys know about the M2/socket 940 CPUs that isnt already said in the article please.
 
Everything in that article has been mentioned before, so there really werent any surprises. The Roadmap is on the main page but it's not in the headline section, since it's just a roadmap update.

The Virtualization tech is "Pacifica" which was announced quite a while ago. It sounds interesting but I wonder how many of us will really use it. "Presidio" is the "security" tech which will, most likely, end up being DRM and TC at a hardware level (according to AMD you should be able to disable it). I havent heard much about it, specifically, so I'm mostly speculating. The pin-count is somewhat surprising. DDR2 CPUs should need 56 more pins per channel but instead we're going to have one more total. I'd guess 2 extra Hypertrasport channels wont get pins anymore, but I wonder what kept AMD from doing this on the DDR K8s since it's more expensive to package high-pin-count CPUs--it probably ended up being that they wanted to be able to use similar packages for 939 and 940. 90 nano chips should be slightly hotter since they'll be bumped to higher frequencies, which is reflected in the new thermal specs, but the 65nm shrink could be nice.
 
found it yesterday, come as a bit of a downer as it looks like my 'upgrade' strategy is being caught out again 🙁

was thinking about investing in a 3700+ san diago with 1gig of quality ram to go with a cheap AGP via board to plug my 9800pro into, later to upgrade mobo and a PCIe 7800-something vid card sometime (probably during the first half of next year). still viable option but means i have to discount the idea of expensive ram + mobo being an investment to carry forward to the next upgrade cycle. Might wait unitl i can get the whole shebang, and go for 1gb standard crucial ram instead of ballistix or corsair, and forget about an ideas of later making it 2gb. Dont really want to wait too long though...
 
Well, for those that refused to believe M2 was coming and soon, there you have it and with it there goes your magical 939 upgradeability theory. It's interesting to see that everyone with a CPU in the 2.4+Ghz range A64 or Dothan wise will be sitting pretty probably through next year as CPU speeds are crawling for the foreseeable future.
 
Originally posted by: Bar81
Well, for those that refused to believe M2 was coming and soon, there you have it and with it there goes your magical 939 upgradeability theory. It's interesting to see that everyone with a CPU in the 2.4+Ghz range A64 or Dothan wise will be sitting pretty probably through next year as CPU speeds are crawling for the foreseeable future.
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I can still put a dual core CPU in my 939 board, which is exactly the upgradeability I expected.
 
Good for you because that's about all you're gonna be able to put in there as M2 blows right past you and the rest of the 939 crew.
 
Originally posted by: MDE
Originally posted by: Bar81
Well, for those that refused to believe M2 was coming and soon, there you have it and with it there goes your magical 939 upgradeability theory. It's interesting to see that everyone with a CPU in the 2.4+Ghz range A64 or Dothan wise will be sitting pretty probably through next year as CPU speeds are crawling for the foreseeable future.
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I can still put a dual core CPU in my 939 board, which is exactly the upgradeability I expected.
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Same here. When that's not enough anymore, off to FS/T she goes to make way for the next one 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Bar81
Good for you because that's about all you're gonna be able to put in there as M2 blows right past you and the rest of the 939 crew.
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Somehow I couldn't care less about that, nor could I care less about what the little whiners think who feel the need to demean others who chose 939 over 754 because it was the better choice for them. My X2 should do fine for the next four years, and maybe after that I'll have a bit more of a budget available for a system based on two of AMD's forthcoming 1207-pin sockets.
 
Originally posted by: Bar81
Good for you because that's about all you're gonna be able to put in there as M2 blows right past you and the rest of the 939 crew.
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Yeah, but I couldn't use my year plus old PC3200 or near-year-old AGP 6800GT on an M2 board as I'd imagine most (nearly all but budget\non OC friendly) will be PCI Express based. I realized that 939 was the last stop before a full system upgrade and I'm prepared to sit on this system until M2 is old and gray. I'm not in the e-penis race as you seem to be.
 
Stop crying little bitches. Just accept the fact that 939 is done with already and that dual core processor upgrade isn't going to mean much come next year.
 
No decent argument, just insults and mindless BS... that doesn't surprise me. :roll:

There's always something "around the corner." And for the record, I'm not crying, and I'm not a "bitch" (nor am I "little," at least unfortunately not enough in the horizontal direction). I am very happy with my S939 system, unfortunately for your manipulative self.
 
C'mon ProviaFan, you know you signed a 10-year contract to use Socket939 exclusively when you bought the A8N-E. You're doomed!! :Q



😉 ...not.


 
Originally posted by: ExarKun333
have they said whether quad-core will reach the 939, or is that just slated for the M2 socket?
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Far as I am aware of quad will only appear on S1207. S939 and M2 do not have enough amps to support either
 
Originally posted by: Bar81
Good for you because that's about all you're gonna be able to put in there as M2 blows right past you and the rest of the 939 crew.
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Blows right past? All it really offers is DDR2, and you can currently buy low latency high speed DDR anyhow. And it's not like there will be big increases in mhz for M2.

Quad core isn't due out till 2007, so 939 dual core with high performance ddr still has quite a bit of time left as top dog.
 
Yea what's the point of adding more pins when the speeds of current processor's isn't maxing out the 939 platform? I think mobo manufacturer's are worried that our 939 boards are going to last us too long so they need something new to upgrade to.
 
As the clock speeds of the Athlon 64 increase, the importance of memory bandwidth increases also. In order to sustain high execution rates, the memory must be able to keep up with the processor's demands.
The impact of this will be limited in most applications, since cache plays a greater role in this respect. But tasks such as encoding and compression that don't make much use of cache, will definitely benefit from faster memory.
 
Originally posted by: BitByBit
As the clock speeds of the Athlon 64 increase, the importance of memory bandwidth increases also. In order to sustain high execution rates, the memory must be able to keep up with the processor's demands.
The impact of this will be limited in most applications, since cache plays a greater role in this respect. But tasks such as encoding and compression that don't make much use of cache, will definitely benefit from faster memory.
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Which you can have right now, DDR memory is made available in speeds far beyond PC3200, and I believe it made available in low latency up to PC4200, and latency appears more important for the Athlon 64s than bandwidth anyhow.
 
Remember everyone here. When Bar81 gets out of hand and starts insulting everyone, YOU GO HERE!!

Dude thinks I forgot about him. But I'm always watching.
 
Buy you X2 now you don't want to buy that M2 garbage. Throttle?? No thanks! Even having that potential bugs me to no end. I'd rather burn my chip than throttle. I want Mhz I paid for, not what AMD feels like giving me if they get to frazzeled or stressed out.

Not only that DDR right now is hitting 2-2-2 @270Mhz which DDR2 has no hope the trump.

Then the whole tin foil thing- converting your Personal Computer(PC) into a corporate-controlled terminal(CCT).
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I havent seeen this posted yet and this could lead to another P4 disaster. The M2 will increase the power useage of the single cores by 15W!!! The good news is DC will remain the same. This may not be anywhere near the P4's power usage, but it could lead to a larger heat disipation from the 90nm, just like the P4. Of course, with careful planning, there might be no problem with heat disipation, but then again, the P4 showed its possible to get too hot.
 
I dont think M2 will increase the power usage of any cpu significantly (the security and virtualization techs will probably increase the transistor count, but not that much). There's a difference between the max power to be provided by the socket and the actual usage. I think AMD is just giving itself some headroom to be able to raise clock speeds even before doing the 65nm shrink.
 
Originally posted by: Soccerman06
I havent seeen this posted yet and this could lead to another P4 disaster. The M2 will increase the power useage of the single cores by 15W!!! The good news is DC will remain the same. This may not be anywhere near the P4's power usage, but it could lead to a larger heat disipation from the 90nm, just like the P4. Of course, with careful planning, there might be no problem with heat disipation, but then again, the P4 showed its possible to get too hot.
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Current X2s generate less heat than the old 130nm Athlon 64s. And with dual core not truly rolling off until 65nm, I don't think heat will be a problem.
 
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