Analysis: Cruelty and silence in Gaza

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Unremarked upon by the Western media, a systematic campaign of persecution is taking place in the Gaza Strip, and to a lesser extent in the West Bank. The general silence surrounding this campaign aids its perpetrators. The victims are Palestinian Christians, in particular the small Christian community of Gaza.

The perpetrators are a variety of Islamist groups, all of which are manifestations of a process of growing Islamic militancy and piety taking place across the region.

The Christian population of the Gaza Strip is small - 2,000-3,000 people. Gazan politics has long been characterized by a conservative, Islamic bent. Gaza's Christians as a result have tended toward political invisibility.

Since the Hamas coup of July 2007, this position has become increasingly untenable. Islamist organizations, empowered by the indifference of the authorities, have begun to target Christian institutions and individuals in Gaza with increasing impunity. Intimidation, assault and the threat of kidnapping are now part of daily reality for Christians.

The trend became noticeable with a series of attacks on the Palestinian Bible Society's "Teacher's Bookshop" in Gaza City last year. The shop was the subject of a bomb attack in April 2007. Its owner, Rami Khader Ayyad, was abducted in broad daylight, and found dead on October 7, 2007.

Over the following year, a series of bomb attacks on Christian institutions in Gaza took place. Particular attention was paid to places of education. The Rahabat al-Wardia school run by nuns in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, and the American International School in Beit Lahiya were both bombed, most recently in May 2008. The Zahwa Rosary Sisters School and the El-Manara school, both in Gaza City, were also attacked this summer. The YMCA Library was bombed, as was the Commonwealth War Cemetery.

Most of these attacks took place at night, and hence casualties were avoided. In a number of cases guards were the victims of violence.

Who is carrying out these attacks? The perpetrators are thought to be Salafi Islamist groups like Jaish al-Islam, Jaish al-Uma and similar organizations. The larger Popular Resistance Committees terror group has also stated that the Christian presence in Gaza should be eradicated, since it exposes Gazans to a pro-Western, anti-Islamic influence.

Where are the Hamas authorities in all this?

Hamas is officially committed to tolerance toward the Christian community, and spokesmen for the authorities have criticized the attacks. In practice, however, only superficial investigations have taken place, and arrests are rare. In the few cases where arrests have been made, the suspects were not charged and were quickly released. This was the case, for example, with two members of the Jaish al-Islam who were suspected of involvement in the YMCA bombing.

The persecution of Christians is not emerging from a small Islamist fringe. Rather, it is part of a larger process of Islamization taking place in Palestinian society. The rise of Hamas is part of this.

But the cadres of the divided Fatah movement are not immune. The Popular Resistance Committees group, for example, noted above for its anti-Christian stance, was founded by ex-Fatah officers who sought an organization reflecting their religious zeal.

The situation in the West Bank is different, reflecting the larger Christian population and the greater strength of secular forces. Yet here, too, anti-Christian trends are serving to embitter lives.

A recent article in the Palestinian Al-Ayyam newspaper drew attention to the long-simmering issue of "compulsory purchase" of land owned by Christians. This trend has been particularly noticeable in the Bethlehem, Ramallah and al-Bireh areas. Individuals with close links to the Palestinian Authority security forces, or to powerful clans, have adopted a variety of means to lay their hands on Christian-owned land. These have included false registration documents, squatters, and the involvement of senior PA security officers.

The Al-Ayyam columnist who raised this issue, Abd al-Nasser al-Najjar, lamented that no "constructive action" by the authorities to protect the Christians has taken place. Najjar listed the PA authorities, the Palestinian political factions, and the myriad of NGOs present in the West Bank among the bodies who might have been expected to take an interest in this situation, and who have not done so.

The official bodies of Palestinian nationalism continue to claim that the Palestinians are a single nation, with harmony between Christians and Muslims. The official leadership of Palestinian Arab Christianity repeats this claim.

Meanwhile, on the ground, Palestinian Christians are fearful, and are voting with their feet. Bethlehem, for example, has seen its Christian population decline from a 60 percent majority in 1990 to under 20% of the population today. The small and harassed Christian community of Gaza may simply cease to exist in the near future.

These events reflect broader regional processes. Their failure to become known is also part of a larger trend. The foreign media, NGOs on the ground and some Western political leaderships prefer to foster a version of events in the West Bank and Gaza based on illusion and willful ignorance of the evidence. The slow death of an ancient community is one of the fruits of this.

The writer is a senior researcher at the Global Research in International Affairs Center, IDC, Herzliya.

Why is this phenomenon of religious persecution against Christian Arabs unreported in any of the Western media?

Why don't other Christians speak up to defend their coreligionists?

Why does the world not seem to bat an eyelash when these Palestinian Arab Muslims commit atrocities, when the world is full of human rights watchdog movements, NGOs and human rights advocacy groups?

And I know you're going to criticize the motives of the article I linked, since its source is the Jerusalem Post. Go ahead and prove the article wrong with hard facts if you can.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: magreen
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Unremarked upon by the Western media, a systematic campaign of persecution is taking place in the Gaza Strip, and to a lesser extent in the West Bank. The general silence surrounding this campaign aids its perpetrators. The victims are Palestinian Christians, in particular the small Christian community of Gaza.

The perpetrators are a variety of Islamist groups, all of which are manifestations of a process of growing Islamic militancy and piety taking place across the region.

The Christian population of the Gaza Strip is small - 2,000-3,000 people. Gazan politics has long been characterized by a conservative, Islamic bent. Gaza's Christians as a result have tended toward political invisibility.

Since the Hamas coup of July 2007, this position has become increasingly untenable. Islamist organizations, empowered by the indifference of the authorities, have begun to target Christian institutions and individuals in Gaza with increasing impunity. Intimidation, assault and the threat of kidnapping are now part of daily reality for Christians.

The trend became noticeable with a series of attacks on the Palestinian Bible Society's "Teacher's Bookshop" in Gaza City last year. The shop was the subject of a bomb attack in April 2007. Its owner, Rami Khader Ayyad, was abducted in broad daylight, and found dead on October 7, 2007.

Over the following year, a series of bomb attacks on Christian institutions in Gaza took place. Particular attention was paid to places of education. The Rahabat al-Wardia school run by nuns in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, and the American International School in Beit Lahiya were both bombed, most recently in May 2008. The Zahwa Rosary Sisters School and the El-Manara school, both in Gaza City, were also attacked this summer. The YMCA Library was bombed, as was the Commonwealth War Cemetery.

Most of these attacks took place at night, and hence casualties were avoided. In a number of cases guards were the victims of violence.

Who is carrying out these attacks? The perpetrators are thought to be Salafi Islamist groups like Jaish al-Islam, Jaish al-Uma and similar organizations. The larger Popular Resistance Committees terror group has also stated that the Christian presence in Gaza should be eradicated, since it exposes Gazans to a pro-Western, anti-Islamic influence.

Where are the Hamas authorities in all this?

Hamas is officially committed to tolerance toward the Christian community, and spokesmen for the authorities have criticized the attacks. In practice, however, only superficial investigations have taken place, and arrests are rare. In the few cases where arrests have been made, the suspects were not charged and were quickly released. This was the case, for example, with two members of the Jaish al-Islam who were suspected of involvement in the YMCA bombing.

The persecution of Christians is not emerging from a small Islamist fringe. Rather, it is part of a larger process of Islamization taking place in Palestinian society. The rise of Hamas is part of this.

But the cadres of the divided Fatah movement are not immune. The Popular Resistance Committees group, for example, noted above for its anti-Christian stance, was founded by ex-Fatah officers who sought an organization reflecting their religious zeal.

The situation in the West Bank is different, reflecting the larger Christian population and the greater strength of secular forces. Yet here, too, anti-Christian trends are serving to embitter lives.

A recent article in the Palestinian Al-Ayyam newspaper drew attention to the long-simmering issue of "compulsory purchase" of land owned by Christians. This trend has been particularly noticeable in the Bethlehem, Ramallah and al-Bireh areas. Individuals with close links to the Palestinian Authority security forces, or to powerful clans, have adopted a variety of means to lay their hands on Christian-owned land. These have included false registration documents, squatters, and the involvement of senior PA security officers.

The Al-Ayyam columnist who raised this issue, Abd al-Nasser al-Najjar, lamented that no "constructive action" by the authorities to protect the Christians has taken place. Najjar listed the PA authorities, the Palestinian political factions, and the myriad of NGOs present in the West Bank among the bodies who might have been expected to take an interest in this situation, and who have not done so.

The official bodies of Palestinian nationalism continue to claim that the Palestinians are a single nation, with harmony between Christians and Muslims. The official leadership of Palestinian Arab Christianity repeats this claim.

Meanwhile, on the ground, Palestinian Christians are fearful, and are voting with their feet. Bethlehem, for example, has seen its Christian population decline from a 60 percent majority in 1990 to under 20% of the population today. The small and harassed Christian community of Gaza may simply cease to exist in the near future.

These events reflect broader regional processes. Their failure to become known is also part of a larger trend. The foreign media, NGOs on the ground and some Western political leaderships prefer to foster a version of events in the West Bank and Gaza based on illusion and willful ignorance of the evidence. The slow death of an ancient community is one of the fruits of this.

The writer is a senior researcher at the Global Research in International Affairs Center, IDC, Herzliya.

Why is this phenomenon of religious persecution against Christian Arabs unreported in any of the Western media?

Why don't other Christians speak up to defend their coreligionists?

Why does the world not seem to bat an eyelash when these Palestinian Arab Muslims commit atrocities, when the world is full of human rights watchdog movements, NGOs and human rights advocacy groups?

And I know you're going to criticize the motives of the article I linked, since its source is the Jerusalem Post. Go ahead and prove the article wrong with hard facts if you can.

I'm sure it's their fault. If only Israel would cease to exist, the muslims would cease their persecution, I'm certain.

/sarcasm
 

RichardE

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Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

they should etcha sketch the whole thing... shake shake shake
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

they should etcha sketch the whole thing... shake shake shake

There are innocent people there though, ones who if given the chance between a long happy life as a lesser country than Israel would chose that. Sadly, there choice of not leaving there homes during the many opportunities present over the last decade probably condemned them to die for the cause of there neighbors. Sad as it is, something that has to be done.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

Would that include killing the Jews who are responsible as well? Or do they do no wrong.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

Would that include killing the Jews who are responsible as well? Or do they do no wrong.

Responsible for? I wonder if you can actually make an argument of it.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

It's politically incorrect to defend ARABS
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

Would that include killing the Jews who are responsible as well? Or do they do no wrong.

At this point they can round up all the palestinians and put them in an oven and Israel would be in the right to do so.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

It's politically incorrect to defend ARABS

You can defend Arabs all day, the bleeding hearts will join you in a chorus of if only they were not oppressed we could all live in world peace
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

What about Israel's crimes against Lebanese and Palestinian Christians?

The BBC:
Rmeich is a Christian village where they thought they would be immune from attack, because Hezbollah is an overwhelmingly Shia Muslim organisation.

But after a week all their food had run out and, anyway, the centre of Rmeich had still been targeted by Israeli artillery, the sisters said.

Link.

Or from the Telegraph:

But by last night he had changed his mind. "I was wrong," he admitted. "The Israelis no longer care who is Muslim and who is Christian. We are all enemies to them."

Link.

From the Washington Post:Washington Post

Hyde, chairman of the House International Relations Committee, sent along with his letter a five-page, single-spaced report prepared by his staff based on visits to Israel and Palestine over the past two years. It contends that ?the Christians community is being crushed in the mill of the bitter Israeli-Palestinian conflict.? The Israeli security wall and expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the report continues, ?are irreversibly damaging the dwindling Christian community.?

Here's another good one.

While the Christians of Bethlehem overwhelmingly (78%) blame the exodus of Christians from the town on Israel's blockade, Americans are more likely (45.9%) to blame it on Islamic politics and are reluctant (7.4%) to blame Israel.

While the US survey showed that Americans are sceptical about Muslims and Christians living contentedly alongside each other - only 17% thought they lived together in peaceful coexistence ?- the Palestinian survey showed they do: around 90% of Christians said they had Muslim friends, and vice-versa.

It's difficult to attack these actions against Christians in Gaza without delving into the treatment of Christians at the hands of the Israelis. Let us not forget that Christians comprise almost 9% of the Arab citizens in Israel. It is also estimated that 6% of the Palestinian population as a whole is Christian although this is difficult to quantify.

This post isn't meant to be anti-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, simply pointing out possible hypocrisy. It is meant to point out that there are very few "innocents" in the conflict in the middle east. If you want to condemn one, you should be compelled to condemn them all, especially when it comes to the treatment of Christians.

For the life of me, I don't understand why we have nearly universal blind and undying support for Israel in this country. Yes, terrorist groups from Palestinian areas have done terrible things which are inexcusable. But this doesn't absolve Israel from its questionable actions. I can only assume that the irrational love for Israel in this country stems from political pandering by officials trying to win swing states with powerful Jewish demographics (aka Florida). Pro-Israeli stances then got tied up into political platforms which people blindly worship.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: RichardE
Its politically incorrect to defend Christians verbally, as much as it is politically incorrect to defend white people against hate crime. That is why you never hear anyone defending Christians verbally. Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

It's politically incorrect to defend ARABS

You can defend Arabs all day, the bleeding hearts will join you in a chorus of if only they were not oppressed we could all live in world peace

No you can't. In American politics today you cannot defend Arabs, especially when it comes to anything related to Israel.

That said RichardE, in my politics it is NOT incorrect to defend Christians or Whites. If I see that trash I will call it out, unless people are just joking (ie: I'm in a group of close friends and understand that this is not how they truly think). You stand up for what is wrong - even if it means having to make a stand within another movement that you aspire for (ie: defending Palestinians within the overall anti occupation movement).

Big DH has a good post similar to what I was going to add : Christian and Muslim relations are much better than we imagine, and both are very firm against the occupation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6987897.stm
At one point, a young man who has come from Ramallah confides to me that he is a member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a militant offshoot of the Fatah faction.

This shy young man tells me why he - a Christian - wanted to join the quasi-Islamist group, branded a terrorist organisation by Israel and its allies for a string of suicide bombings in Israeli cities.


It is sad that people have to take the plight of a specific group and Palestinians and use it to a) attack religion b) justify death and destruction. And my god at the Nazi Comments aimed at destroying an entire population of people. Had that been said for all Isrealis (which is equickly and sick and generalizing), I'm sure the banstick would have popped out. You are a twisted freak JS80.

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Just for emphasis, I'm entirely against any aggressive action taken against Palestinians by others trying to extend their power, be it Muslim or Christian. Christianity has long existed there, and many Palestinians were no doubt once Christians (and probably Jews) before that. there is a rich Christian heritage, and to pretend it does not exist is like trying to deny the rich Islamic heritage of the peoples there
 

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Persecution of christians in that region?
Can't understand that the muslims in that area are so open to alternative beliefs and forgiveness.
/double dose of sarcasm
 

mxyzptlk

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I'm so sick of all the infighting amongst Abrahamic religions. They all believe in the same god for Christ's sake!

wait..
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

what?
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic ... killing..


WHAT?!?!
 

mxyzptlk

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Another one..

Originally posted by: JS80
At this point they can round up all the palestinians and put them in an oven and Israel would be in the right to do so.

How can you type something like this with a straight face?



edit: What I mean is how can you not just fall out dead from laughing at the utter irony of a the jews holocausting another group of people?

How do you withstand it?
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'm so sick of all the infighting amongst Abrahamic religions. They all believe in the same god for Christ's sake!

wait..
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

what?
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic ... killing..


WHAT?!?!

Moderates are supposed be in the middle of two extremes. To kill everyone who might have had a hand in violence sounds like killing those who could fit the definition of a moderate.
So what the moderate that is being spoken of? I suppose the other extreme...dead Palestinians that allow themselves to be walked upon entirely in the face of occupation.
Is it not sad that some problems within a Palestinian community are used as justification of essentially their entire erasure? Should our infighting in the United States on any ground - be it religion, race, ethnicity, political orientation - justify our destruction because we create problems within our own structure?
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

Would that include killing the Jews who are responsible as well? Or do they do no wrong.

At this point they can round up all the palestinians and put them in an oven and Israel would be in the right to do so.

Oh I'd love to hear the reasoning for that.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Another one..

Originally posted by: JS80
At this point they can round up all the palestinians and put them in an oven and Israel would be in the right to do so.

How can you type something like this with a straight face?



edit: What I mean is how can you not just fall out dead from laughing at the utter irony of a the jews holocausting another group of people?

How do you withstand it?

Its JS80, he isn't smart enough to understand irony.
 

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Nice divisive piece. As if Israel and it's supporters give a damn about Palestinians be them Christian or Muslim and their "plight.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'm so sick of all the infighting amongst Abrahamic religions. They all believe in the same god for Christ's sake!

wait..
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic cleaning of that entire area, killing everyone who might have ever had a hand in violence and leaving the moderates to rebuild Palestine into a state that Muslim religion can actually for once be proud of.

what?
Originally posted by: RichardE
Hopefully, Israel will one day begin a systematic ... killing..


WHAT?!?!

Moderates are supposed be in the middle of two extremes. To kill everyone who might have had a hand in violence sounds like killing those who could fit the definition of a moderate.
So what the moderate that is being spoken of? I suppose the other extreme...dead Palestinians that allow themselves to be walked upon entirely in the face of occupation.
Is it not sad that some problems within a Palestinian community are used as justification of essentially their entire erasure? Should our infighting in the United States on any ground - be it religion, race, ethnicity, political orientation - justify our destruction because we create problems within our own structure?

A Palestinian whho does nothing is the extreme of apathy, a Palestinian who will kill for a lost cause is the extreme of violence. The Palestinians who attempt to bring about change peacefully are the moderates. I think your idea of a moderate and mine are different.

There was once a time in Israel where Arabs and Palestinians had less rights than the old blacks of American had in the early century, peaceful change brought that down. Peaceful change will as well lead to a Palestinian state hopefully, but the answer to violence must be violence

I am not against a Palestinian state, or even a splitting of Jerusalem, I am against the Palestinians acquiring these things through violence. The Jews fled the middle east once because of violence, they fled Europe because of violence, at some point they need to make a stand, and they have friends now that they can. No more fleeing. If the Palestinians want a state to call there own, if they want half of Jerusalem, if they want the lands they too can farm, if they want peace, than come for it with peace. To come and try to take it, to try and make the Jews run again is too much like history to stand.
 

ZzZGuy

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My view.

-Eject all "Palestinians" from the gaza strip into Egypt.
-Eject them from the west bank into Jordan too if they can't work with Israel to either have this "one state solution" or create a viable separate country that will not turn into a failed state.
-Eject all extremist/hawks, both Jew and Muslim, from Israel to whatever country that is willing to accept them.
-Provide economic aid to help establish good living conditions for those relocating to give them a chance at prosperity. Squalid conditions like what they live in now (brought on by their arab "bothers" using them as pawns to keep their own hands clean, IMHO) breads hatred and violence which can come back to bite you in the ass. It also happens to be the right thing to do but that is secondary for all involved.


The Jews where a bunch of idiots for moving into the middle of a savage group of people that they knew would want them all dead, but if they weren't there then the arabs would still be busy slaughtering each other. After the s*** they went through in recent history they have every right to form their own country to practice their religion and defend themselves from persecution, which they can not do as a minority in many different countries. At leas the country of Israel has turn wasteland into prosperity which the current rabble of Palestinians would enjoy if they lived side by side with the Israelis instead of leaving when told to do so by invading arab armies so it would be easier to kill all the Jews. In fact the ones who didn't leave are enjoying these conditions even though they do seem to be treated as a inferior class. The Jews also have their own extremists which are just as bad as any terrorist, which is why you kick them out so they have no more influence.

It might take a war to do it, but unless the nuke fly (I don't know how kindly Israel would take to force expulsion of many of it's citizens) everyone would be better off when the dust settles.