An SUV evaluation by a (former) SUV hater...

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Ok, I've pretty verbally expressed my distaste for SUV's...but now I have to eat my own words because I am now an owner of one :Q

Two weeks ago I took posession of a 2000 GMC Jimmy

As for why I bought it, well, it met the "utility" qualifications of "utility". I also nabbed it for right around $3,000 under the sticker price and got 5.9% financing over 60 months. I also had some other nice benefits under GMC's graduate program.

Here's my 2 week evaluation :)

Pro's -

1) Elevated seating - Love it. I went from a low running Mercury Mystique to sitting above the roof level of it. Makes it very, very nice for visibility.

2) Ride - Very nice ride. Don't realize that it's a truck at heart that you are driving. All the little gitters and bumps that I would normally feel in a car are smoothed out and easily navigated.

3) Seats - Great. Second only to the seats in a contour SVT...at least for me anyhow.

4) Cabin space - more for less. The vehicle is considerably narrower than my monte carlo, but yet offers what feels like more cabin space.

5) Turning radius - better than many midsize sedans. Not as good as my Mystique, but leaps and bounds superior to the Monte Carlo.

6) Cargo space - It's an SUV. Not much more to say. Open hatch, drop door, insert luggage. No longer restricted to the depth of the trunk. Works out great for when I have to haul around big ass laser jet printers and 17" monitor boxes.

7) Insurance - Believe it or not, the insurance was only $60 a YEAR more than what the '95 mystique that I had! A VW GTI that I was looking at went for $600 more a year.

8) 4WD - will prove it's handiness once winter rolls around. I do a lot of driving through rural Wisconsin and Northern Iowa. It may prove it's worthiness on a trip up to Madison.

Now for the cons:

1) Gas milage - Uhg! Averaged about 18 miles to the gallon for my first tank w/ mix highway/city driving. One plus is that it doesn't require premium fuel like many of the vehicles that I was looking at. I can pretty much put the cheapest stuff at the pump in it and it'll be happy.

2) Rear/side visibility - One word - horrid! As you can see in the pics, the pillars where the second set of doors would normally be are pretty thick. Well, you can't see sh!t out of the side of the vehicle. It helped once I put the convex "fish eye" mirrors on my side mirrors. Also, the spare tire on the back makes for about a 75% reduction in rear visibility. The incredibly tinted windows are also very hard to see out of on overcast days.

3) Stability - Very bad in windy days. The wind whips this thing from one side of the lane to the other. Have to be very alert when driving in windy conditions.

4) 4WD - overconfidence? Will find out soon enough.


Conclusion - Need more time. Two of the biggest cons, stability and visibility are mainly "comfort" issues. I just need to get comfortable with the vehicle in order get used to these issues.

I can see why SUV owners do enjoy/appriciate these vehicles. I just can't imagine why somebody would want the land barges known as the Ford Excursion. A Suburban is big. An Excursion is fuxing huge.

But, going back to my cons, I still fear the soccer mom who thinks her Tahoe has the nimbleness of her hubbies BMW and tries taking an off ramp at 60 MPH. I also worry about the people who don't know how to use their mirrors and damn near run the person in their blind spot off of the road.

I don't feel totally justified in my purchasing of one, but I do feel that it was more justified than just hauling your kids back and forth from soccer practice at 14MPG.

Go ahead, flame away :p
 

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welcome to the SUV club :)

great mpg too!! i only get about 12 mpg on my '99 passport, but i love it just the same :eek::p
 

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Right now I get 12 - 13MPG. My brother beat the all time record by averaging a measly 6MPG. DOH!!!

Windogg
 

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6MPG!!! Christ! Is he trying to haul a house, uphill, in 4WD, with the air conditioning on???
 

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6 mpg?? i think he should have to pay some kind of extra tax. like how truckers have to pay more on toll roads cause they are harder on the pavement.
 

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You know what's sick considering 6 MPG? If you strap a 50 gallon drum on the back, you're only adding 300 miles of travel -- which my car can do on about 3/4 of a 12.4 gallon tank.

You might as well just run over every animal you see, and torch the woods while you're at it. That's gross.
 

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I have to say that I love SUVs. I have a new 4runner and I enjoy driving it more then my bmw! The only, and I mean only thing I dislike is the poor mpg, it does about 18/21, city/highway. Anyway, just thought id say I love my car :)
 

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Mr Isla says you can improve the gas milage... install a K&N air filter and a Gibson hi-flo exhaust muffler.

:)
 

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A K&N air filter and a hi-flow exahaust will improve milage? Hmmmm...

I thought that increasing air flow would increase gas consumption :confused:

Does Mr. Isla care to elaborate, and give some percentage yields :)
 

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You guys with your 6MPG stories are making me want to buy the Honda Insight...60MPG. Yes, I really am environmentally conscious, but that is an UGLY car!
 

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Personally, I'd love to own one of those "fuxin huge" Excursions. I only get 10MPG now, so how much worse can they be? Their price is very prohibitive though. Guess I'll have to settle for another conversion van. They sit as high as a normal pickup, but not much hood out front. Hmmm, I wonder if they can be had in a 4WD setup...

Happy motoring :)
 

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For me, it probably wouldn't be worth the trouble/money to replace the airfilter and exhaust. I'm looking at what, $50-$75 for the filter, and another what, $500-$1000 for the exhaust? Plus the fact that I don't have the tools to do it myself(well, the exhaust anyway).

So, I'm probably looking at like $1000 or so for what, 2-3MPG more, tops, in perfect situations? It'd take a hell of a lot of fillups to get my money back out of that.
 

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Mr Isla here:

Increased air flow increases horsepower by reducing the amount of energy needed to draw air through the air filter. The same principle applies to a clean air filter versus a dirty air filter. You can check out their website for more info, k&n filters. The high flow exhaust reduces the amount of pressure the exhaust stroke has to exert to force the burnt gasses out of the exhaust system. I cannot really say quantitatively the mpg improvement for any one item because I did several things at one time. With all my improvements my Tacoma PreRunner went from 19mpg to 22mpg (city). The last item on my list is to put in synthetic motor oil and synthetic trans fluid. I am waiting to pass my first 8k miles or so to allow a sufficient break-in period.
 

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Yea it's really only good if your looking at going all out performance or your coming from a vehicle that's got a real weak point in one of those like a really bad factory Exhaust. Mine was just really bad for me as I put a supercharger on it so the Factory stuff had to go.

I would though if I were you get the K&N standard replacement Filter it just fits right in where your stock paper one did... the ACDelco one that comes factory is pretty Cheapo too, It will help abit also a dirty K&N flows better then a new Paper.

That replacement will only run you about $30-40 and it's Lifetime warranty on those.
 

Viperoni

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K&N is good.
SUV's are still eivl.

I rode in a 96 Cherokee, with 60k, and it had no road feel whatsoever.
And I'm comparing this Cherokee to a 1986 (14 year old) Pontiac Parisienne.
Big BOAT. with 170k.

You tell me.
 

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To clarify on the 6MPG. He needed to move so he borrowed my Land Cruiser. It was overloaded with about 2,000 lbs of his crap plus it was towing a 4000lb trailer. Right now I average 12 - 13 in stop and go traffic and about 16MPG @ 70 - 75MPH.

Windogg
 

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Its nice to see that my 4000+lbs 30year old ford galaxie with a big ol 390 is getting better or atleast equall to the mpg that a lot of the new vehicles on the road get. It gets 15-19mpg.

Actually its pretty crappy.

They need to start applying the gas guzzler tax to trucks too.
 

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LOL@thedarkwolf

its pretty sad isnt it? you'd think they'll make strides to improve the mpg every year considering they realized fossil fuels is a limited resource from the start.

Windogg - yer still getting much better mileage than me, as is everyone else :) I'm not sure if its just the honda/isuzu design, but i average 12 mpg on mixed freeway and city travel based on 1 month's data. i dont haul anything and i dont use the AC at all. kind of disturbing for me that i spend close to $250/mo on gas alone.

i think i'll trade it in for something less wasteful after a year.
 

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i thoroughly enjoyed a short (30 miles?) trip driving a yukon through houston traffic. good steering response, good throttle response (it was tricked some). plus the thing had lots of space. i liked driving it better than the expedition. problem with both is the gas. if they'd just change the rear ratio to something a little less useful for a dragster you'd get big improvements.