an outsiders view on the Pres. election....

[trenchfoot]

a good friend of mine from scotland commented to me about the presidential election in this way: "why is it that after 8 yrs. of prosperity under a Democratic President the people of the U.S. would want a Republican one"? lmao at the sheer logic a viewer from the outside could have looking in, but i didn't have a logical reply. btw, i am not a partisan zealot; i vote for the person that shares my views. nm,nl.

 

[Russ]

It's simple. The White House needs cleaning.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Napalm381]

<< The White House needs cleaning. >>

Literally, especally the Oval Office

 

[Regine]

Bush promised to give it a good scrubbing

 

[cxim]

The democrats have a genetic defect which inhibits the expression of ethics &amp; morals.

 

[beer]

It was the republican congress that set the budget, passed the laws, etc., that made our country so prosperous.

 

[Napalm381]

I'd give Alan Greenspan a lot more credit for prosperity than the President OR Congress.

 

[trenchfoot]

you know, that's another thing that's unique about how us Americans feel about ol' Bill's affair with what's-her-name (if that's what you all are referring to). the way i heard it from most of my other european and asian friends, what bill clinton did was naughty, but it's a common and &quot;quietly acceptable&quot; practice (as it was put to me) among persons of bill's stature in their countries. interesting, don't you think?

 

[Regine]

It's not acceptable where I come from...

 

[Napalm381]

Tweaker2: The issue was not that Clinton got a hummer from an intern. The fact that he lied about REPEATEDLY and UNDER OATH is. While other cultures may have differing opinions on marital fidelity, I don't think there is much difference between them with respect to honesty.

 

[Format C:]

Does the name Anita Hill sound even vaguely familiar?

 

[JenniZ]

Heres my view

Everybody wants to rule the world

 

[cfredc]

Napalm: come on... Reagan told plenty of lies during his administration (iran-contra scandal?) and he's still revered by the republicans... the reasons why he got out of being impeached was because of the republican hold in the government and everybody thought he was senile in the first place... bush junior's admin. will probably be nearly the same... people think he's so stupid that hes not smart enough to tell lies....

 

[Moonbeam]

Yup Bush is honest. He won't tell you where he was his last years in the Guard. Can't call him a liar, maybe a traitor, but not a liar.

 

[Napalm381]

<< republican hold in the government >>

You mean that Democratic Congress he had for his entire term? I thought so.

 

[trenchfoot]

Napalm, that's just how i feel about the whole incident,(in reference to your 1:48 a.m. post) well, seeing as if Bush is likely to be our next President, (ok,ok, i'm premature and i'm guessing) i can just see his detractors stocking up on &quot;long-range breathalyzers&quot;. i think that after the dust has settled, we'll all get behind Bush when we as a Nation must face the rest of the world, but it sure is going to be fun watch'in the &quot;new fella&quot; reg'lar guy 'Publican pres'dent and the &quot;old timer&quot; Republican Congress roll up their sleeves and duke it out with each other, like they always have... and always will. twx2

 

[cxim]

>> come on... Reagan told plenty of lies during his administration (iran-contra scandal?) and he's still revered by the republicans... the reasons why he got out of being impeached was because of the republican hold in the government and everybody thought he was senile in the first place.. <<

someone else that does not understand government.

Iran-Contra was a fight over authority. The authority over foreign policy. Congress &amp; the president have had these kinds of fights for the past 200 yrs. Congress was pissed &amp; made a stink. They never took it headon because neither side really wanted a Supreme Court decision that might take away some of their power.

There were &amp; still are many scholars that think President Reagan was well within his rights as president. If he had acted aginst the will of Congress in a domestic matter, it would have been clear cut. Since it was a foreign policy matter, it was all shades of gray.

 

[cfredc]

napalm: yes you are right... demo congress, i concede that i was wrong, but it does not take away from the fact that reagan said blantantly that he did not know anything about the iran-contra scandal even though later it was proven that he did know

cxim: whether or not Reagan was right in selling arms to the iranians, the fact of the matter is that he lied to people saying that he didn't know what was going on when his own right-hand people were making the deals to the iranians....

 

[cxim]

so he lied about this. If he had been open congress would have been on him in a hurry. The guys working for him knew the risk going in &amp; that they would have to take the fall. They thought it was worth it.

It was just a part of the political game.... between congress &amp; the president that has been played for 200 yrs. Everybody knew what the deal was. If congress had really wanted to go after him, they would have. It was a giant, well oiled play.

Reagan got what he wanted. congress got what they wanted. Face was saved.

 

[MisterM]

So? I think that Clinton simply profitted from what the Republican`s did before he was elected president (because they had helped the american business prosper, and the long term effect was an overall improvement in prosperity), and he want`s to make it look like he and the Democrats were the ones that were responsible.

BTW: Do you Republican`s really need an Austrian to try to bring logical argument`s in?



<< the way i heard it from most of my other european and asian friends, what bill clinton did was naughty, but it's a common and &quot;quietly acceptable&quot; practice (as it was put to me) among persons of bill's stature in their countries. interesting, don't you think? >>



I don`t think it is common, but the whole &quot;he had an affair&quot; thing would have probably interested noone here. That`s his private life, and it should be separated from his work.

The fact that he lied under oath is on completely different thing, and would probably get any president in big problems.

 

[veryape]

This is a cut and paste from the other unbiased thread. I hate to type.

For the record,all the votes have NEVER been counted. There is far too much bias going on in Florida. If they were fairly counted at least once,I think Gore would win easily and if he did not he would concede. And as David Bois just said on Today,Gore is ahead if just what has been already counted was added in. And where did thoses 100 votes magically appear from in Nassau County?

The Supreme Court said to have it done by MONDAY at 9AM and only on Sunday at 5PM if they happened to be open,which that b@tch secretary of state made sure to be,when normally they would not have been open. Not too partisan and biased.

 

[cxim]

still spamming worthless crap, I see, little apegoron.

Ah yes, Boisgoron, the slime that lied before the Fl supreme court. What a nice honest guy he is.