An oppressive and barbaric act of the Bavarian government

[Sultan]

BBC link

To tell women what to do and how to do it is what is oppression. The Germans are forcing women to take off.their headscarves.

how isnt the state of Bavaria indulging in OUTRIGHT oppression and religious discrimination?

Anyone calling for a regime change in Bavaria?

Lets see the usual Islam/Muslim bashers also express their indignation at this oppression on German women.

In fact, I'd like the women on this forum too to stand by the German women who are being repressed by the German states, and in turn, the scarf is said to be a symbol of repression. These women FREELY choose to wear the scarves. No one can force them to wear it in Germany, rather, now they are being forced to take it off.

Unbelievable.

 

[EagleKeeper]

But Ms Hohlmeier said the headscarf had become a political symbol which was widely abused by Islamic fundamentalist groups and was not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

Read the article before trolling

 

[Pliablemoose]

Note to self, must start a religion where the wearing of codpieces is required & then scream bloody murder when someone disagrees with me or my followers.

The headscarf had become a political symbol which was widely abused by Islamic fundamentalist groups and was not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

:thumbsup:

& if you want to argue that women are not subservient in fundemental Islam culture go right freaking ahead, I've seen too many women in headscarves walk 2 steps behind the man with their heads bowed to even begin to buy into that sh1t.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

But Ms Hohlmeier said the headscarf had become a political symbol which was widely abused by Islamic fundamentalist groups and was not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

Read the article before trolling

And this has just WHAT to do with a woman's right to choose, and exercise her right to practice her freedom of religion.

What a freaking ridiculous argument. But it was expected from you.

At the time of this writing, there were EIGHTEEN ways to this thread, and one reply by a person who chose to highlight the [n]cultural minister's opinion[/b] about the headscarf. This is the country which claims to have more moral superiority and better values than others, while no one wishes to display their outright indignation at respression of German women.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Note to self, must start a religion where the wearing of codpieces is required & then scream bloody murder when someone disagrees with me or my followers.

The headscarf had become a political symbol which was widely abused by Islamic fundamentalist groups and was not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

:thumbsup:

& if you want to argue that women are not subservient in fundemental Islam culture go right freaking ahead, I've seen too many women in headscarves walk 2 steps behind the man with their heads bowed to even begin to buy into that sh1t.

I disagree. I see this as an excuse. This is traditional garb and has nothing to do with terrorism. If these women cannot dress in such a fashion I can suggest that the Flag has been abused by some and perverted by those as a symbol for international agression. Your displaying of the flag should therefore be banned. It's not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

Nope, this is stupid abuse of power.

 

[Train]

maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Train
maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

Maybe we should worry about both.

 

[alchemize]

The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

 

[Tarpon6]

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Train
maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

 

[Alistar7]

Lets see under Taliban rule women were not allowed to go to school, have jobs, and were unable to recieve medical treatment. They could not be doctors, of course, and a male doctor could not give them treatment even in the instance of a mother giving birth. Need a gyno, LMAO, never happened under the taliban. Maybe Sultan can explain why virtually every ocuntry in the world stopped giving aid completely to afghanistan while the taliban were under control.....

 

[Aimster]

It wasn't a scarf. It was a burqa. You cannot even see their face. That is crazy. They made up their own version of "women should dress moderate". Does that look like moderate?

Unlike the Afghans, Germans can move out if they do not like the country in which they live in. By the way screw Europe. They hate everyone. Women in the U.S will always be allowed to wear a headscarf so long as Bush is in power. Bush has always defended Muslims at a time when the world has hated them. (I didn't vote for Bush.

By the way there are parts of Europe where the majority of Muslims do not wear a headscarf. Maybe Germany is one of them.

At least the U.S is still free.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Train
maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

Which countries would that be?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

 

[ReiAyanami]

problem: the only oil in Bavaria is in their gas stations

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

Then perhaps a better thing to do is use laws in place against abuse. If a man hits his wife or daughter for either not wearing the "right" clothing or making a bad meal, throw his sorry ass in jail. If that happens enough, perhaps these women will indeed be more free in a real and meaningful sense.

 

[AntiEverything]

Strange, I thought the US was the fascist regime, and that were supposed to aspire to be more like those socially advanced Europeans?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

But Ms Hohlmeier said the headscarf had become a political symbol which was widely abused by christian fundamentalist groups and was not consistent with democracy, equality and tolerance.

Ban the bible!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

Then perhaps a better thing to do is use laws in place against abuse. If a man hits his wife or daughter for either not wearing the "right" clothing or making a bad meal, throw his sorry ass in jail. If that happens enough, perhaps these women will indeed be more free in a real and meaningful sense.

Muary, Ricky Lake, Jerry Springer anyone?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Tarpon6
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Train
maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

Originally posted by: Train

maybe you should worry about countries in which women are legally beaten and murdered before worrying about head scarves.

And which countries allow legal beatings and murders of women? Stop talking out of your ass.


Originally posted by: alchemize

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

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Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.
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That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?
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I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

Another hate mongering speech which goes on complete assumption on German women.

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Lets see under Taliban rule women were not allowed to go to school, have jobs, and were unable to recieve medical treatment. They could not be doctors, of course, and a male doctor could not give them treatment even in the instance of a mother giving birth. Need a gyno, LMAO, never happened under the taliban. Maybe Sultan can explain why virtually every ocuntry in the world stopped giving aid completely to afghanistan while the taliban were under control.....

From the guy who thinks BBC is biased, this pack of misinformation was expected. I personally know Afghan women doctors. While there was no school, no economy, no medical facilities, its the dumbest of all dumb things to consider women not being able to go to school or get jobs or get medical treatment. Please let me know the statistics of Aghan boys being able to go school, get jobs and get the best medical treatment and I'll accept that Germany is great and Taliban is the scum.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

Then perhaps a better thing to do is use laws in place against abuse. If a man hits his wife or daughter for either not wearing the "right" clothing or making a bad meal, throw his sorry ass in jail. If that happens enough, perhaps these women will indeed be more free in a real and meaningful sense.

Unfortunately, for these isolated societies, that doesn't happen. It's hard enough to control in trailer parks, much less language/culture isolated communities.

 

[Alistar7]

Taliban publicly execute woman

http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm



The woman, identified only as Zarmeena, a mother of seven children, was found guilty of beating her husband to death with a steel hammer as he slept. The reason for the killing two years ago was a family dispute," according to a Taliban soldier, who didn't give his name.

Zarmeena was taken from the back of a pickup truck that drove into the sports stadium. Two female police officers, both in deep blue burqas, held Zarmeena's arms.

Witnesses said the convicted woman walked slowly, each step followed by a pause.

When she reached the center of the field she was ordered by one of the women to sit.

Behind her a young Taliban soldier, his head wrapped in the traditional turban, took aim with his Kalashnikov rifle. But suddenly Zarmeena stood up and tried to flee. A policewoman stopped her and forced her to sit, said witnesses.

The Taliban soldier moved closer and shot her three times.

Afterward from the crowd several people shouted "God is great."


According to a RAWA reporter, Zarmeena's children and the family of Zarmeena's husband were present in the stadium and all of her children were crying loudly for their mother. Several minutes before the execution, her husband's family announced to the Taliban that they forgave Zarmeena. But the Taliban said that it was impossible to stop the execution because they had already announced it to thousands of people. Islamic law allows the family to forgive the killer but the Taliban did not pay any attention to the law.

 

[Alistar7]

Only in the U.K--pity

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2003/media062303.htm

"This effort to better track bias comes on the heels of specific complaints against the public broadcaster. Last month, the BBC admitted that it presented a biased radio interview involving a pedophile priest and a Cardinal."

There, now you have the BBC itself admitting they have presented things in a biased manner, if that's not enough you have serious problems of denial.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: alchemize
The article doesn't mention that their husbands, brothers and fathers will beat the sh1t out of them if they don't wear the "optional" headscarf.

That is your assumption. I know women who wear the traditional clothing because THEY want to. They are PROUD of it. That you don't understand it makes no difference. You are the one to tell them they are ignorant, and you will "liberate" them by denying their freedom?

I'm sure there are a few. Just as there are american women who wear their hair up/long skirts (apostolic christians). That doesn't change that it is a mysoginistic practice perpetuated by male-dominated fundies.

Then perhaps a better thing to do is use laws in place against abuse. If a man hits his wife or daughter for either not wearing the "right" clothing or making a bad meal, throw his sorry ass in jail. If that happens enough, perhaps these women will indeed be more free in a real and meaningful sense.

Unfortunately, for these isolated societies, that doesn't happen. It's hard enough to control in trailer parks, much less language/culture isolated communities.

I am referring to EU countries though. It's not like dealing with Iran or Iraq. These are countries that have antiviolence laws. I think a better use of resources would be to protect citizens from real rather than hypothetical threats. This wouldnt fly in the US (or shouldnt) because of the right of religious expression. They may not have that explicit right, but they should. I think this is misplaced emphasis.

 

[Alistar7]

WOMAN UNDER TALIBAN

http://www.pakistanvoice.org/woman_under_taliban.htm

The Taliban had destroyed ancient cultural artifacts, harbored terrorists, and forced Hindus to wear yellow patches on their clothing. No group had been a bigger target of their hate-mongering than women.

Kabul University, which the Taliban closed down upon their victory in 1996 and re-opened in 1997, began its educational program without women teachers or female students. Girls were no longer allowed to go to school.

Women were restricted from working anywhere -- except in the medical sector. They were not allowed to receive medical help from male doctors, and most of the female doctors had left the country.


Are you even aware of the facts Sultan?