An interesting NYTimes article on why some Americans buy guns.

[Moonbeam]

Why Some Americans Buy Guns

Social scientists are just beginning to understand who is purchasing firearms and how gun ownership may alter behavior.

www.nytimes.com

The article says to me it comes down to past experience and how you feel. For some guns are calming and make others nervous. Then there is the reality of statistics and risk assessment and how people weigh that. The biggest drivers of recent and significant increases in gun sales are related to self defense and buying by women and Blacks and Mexicans. Interesting stuff for people curious in what makes them tick, in my opinion.

Less than a foot from my head as I write this is a gun I used to sneak out of my parents’ closet and play with as a child that my father bought before I was born after my Mom spotted a peeping Tom. It wasn’t loaded then and isn’t now. I have some now somewhere but not sure where. I should probably look before the Gun Nut Society comes for my membership card.

Offered for personal informational value only. Comments welcome but not seeking them.

 

[MrSquished]

I sent an old bike riding partner some photos of my bike with some new parts on it the other day. He moved to Oregon some years back. He lives in a rural area outside Bend, has a stable of mountain bikes and skis and plays the stock market. All he wants to do is be out on the mountains and trails. He told me a couple years ago that he got called n***er there often. He is not black. He is like Pilipino with a well-tanned complexion. I was like wtf why would they call you that. He's like they are so racist out here they don't give a shit.

So I sent him the photo and asked him how riding was going out in the racist backwoods of Oregon. Well, he said he is armed to the teeth, and is teaching his kids to shoot. Has thousands and thousands of rounds ready to go. He goes to the range often and is dialing in his aim to be as lethal as possible. He said he will be surrounded by dead MAGA if it comes to them trying to live out the reality they masturbate to - killing liberals and miniorities and gays and whoever else those fucking Nazis wanna do in. He would have never thought of having a gun when he lived in NJ. He said it was a complete 180.

Thanks to people like you, a gun fetishist loon, this is the country we live in.

So a sincere go fuck yourself from me.

 

[pete6032]

I sent an old bike riding partner some photos of my bike with some new parts on it the other day. He moved to Oregon some years back. He lives in a rural area outside Bend, has a stable of mountain bikes and skis and plays the stock market. All he wants to do is be out on the mountains and trails. He told me a couple years ago that he got called n***er there often. He is not black. He is like Pilipino with a well-tanned complexion. I was like wtf why would they call you that. He's like they are so racist out here they don't give a shit.

So I sent him the photo and asked him how riding was going out in the racist backwoods of Oregon. Well, he said he is armed to the teeth, and is teaching his kids to shoot. Has thousands and thousands of rounds ready to go. He goes to the range often and is dialing in his aim to be as lethal as possible. He said he will be surrounded by dead MAGA if it comes to them trying to live out the reality they masturbate to - killing liberals and miniorities and gays and whoever else those fucking Nazis wanna do in. He would have never thought of having a gun when he lived in NJ. He said it was a complete 180.

Thanks to people like you, a gun fetishist loon, this is the country we live in.

So a sincere go fuck yourself from me.

Are you opposes to gun ownership for everyone or just for Republicans?

 

[Greenman]

I sent an old bike riding partner some photos of my bike with some new parts on it the other day. He moved to Oregon some years back. He lives in a rural area outside Bend, has a stable of mountain bikes and skis and plays the stock market. All he wants to do is be out on the mountains and trails. He told me a couple years ago that he got called n***er there often. He is not black. He is like Pilipino with a well-tanned complexion. I was like wtf why would they call you that. He's like they are so racist out here they don't give a shit.

So I sent him the photo and asked him how riding was going out in the racist backwoods of Oregon. Well, he said he is armed to the teeth, and is teaching his kids to shoot. Has thousands and thousands of rounds ready to go. He goes to the range often and is dialing in his aim to be as lethal as possible. He said he will be surrounded by dead MAGA if it comes to them trying to live out the reality they masturbate to - killing liberals and miniorities and gays and whoever else those fucking Nazis wanna do in. He would have never thought of having a gun when he lived in NJ. He said it was a complete 180.

Thanks to people like you, a gun fetishist loon, this is the country we live in.

So a sincere go fuck yourself from me.

You have a mentally ill friend, and some bazar fantasy about gun owners, so you decide to express your impotent anger at Moonie.
You should seek out professional assistance.

 

[zinfamous]

without reading, I assume the conclusion is tiny penises, right?

It has to be about small men with wee dicks.

 

[zinfamous]

I sent an old bike riding partner some photos of my bike with some new parts on it the other day. He moved to Oregon some years back. He lives in a rural area outside Bend, has a stable of mountain bikes and skis and plays the stock market. All he wants to do is be out on the mountains and trails. He told me a couple years ago that he got called n***er there often. He is not black. He is like Pilipino with a well-tanned complexion. I was like wtf why would they call you that. He's like they are so racist out here they don't give a shit.

So I sent him the photo and asked him how riding was going out in the racist backwoods of Oregon. Well, he said he is armed to the teeth, and is teaching his kids to shoot. Has thousands and thousands of rounds ready to go. He goes to the range often and is dialing in his aim to be as lethal as possible. He said he will be surrounded by dead MAGA if it comes to them trying to live out the reality they masturbate to - killing liberals and miniorities and gays and whoever else those fucking Nazis wanna do in. He would have never thought of having a gun when he lived in NJ. He said it was a complete 180.

Thanks to people like you, a gun fetishist loon, this is the country we live in.

So a sincere go fuck yourself from me.

Oregon is the only state--maybe state/nation in the world--founded on the principles of White Supremacy. It was literally conceived and established as a White nationalist Utopia; the fortress from which presumably, God's chosen skin color would soon begin it's systematic genocide of all the evil, wrong-skinned people, so that only then Jesus could return and bring fire and salvation to the survivors of the world--only white people--and bring them to heaven with him.

Yes, that's how such people think.

I mean, that's just the reason that Oregon exists; it's an unassailable fact of history. It's not all like that now, of course. ....well, Portland isn't like that. You go a bit south of Portland and literally everywhere east of that, you're highly likely to encounter unrestrained White Terrorism. They still seem to thrive there, which shouldn't be surprising since White supremacists seem to bring sister and cousin-fucking with them, and they breed like rabbits.

You've got several generations of terrorists thriving over there to be sure.

 

[MrSquished]

You have a mentally ill friend, and some bazar fantasy about gun owners, so you decide to express your impotent anger at Moonie.
You should seek out professional assistance.

Yes my friend is mentally ill because he has been exposed to plenty of overt racism for the last four or five years, by a bunch of fucking hicks that are armed to the teeth just waiting for the order to explode. Those are your people.

You are a sack of shit and we all know it. Except the moron @fskimospy .

 

[MrSquished]

Are you opposes to gun ownership for everyone or just for Republicans?

What nonsense are you blathering on about here?

 

[pete6032]

What nonsense are you blathering on about here?

I'm trying to understand your comment about gun fetishes. You said moonbeam had a gun fetish so fuck him, but you also have a friend in Oregon who has thousands of rounds of ammunition who talks about being prepared to kill MAGA followers. Would you say your friend in Oregon has a gun fetish too?

 

[MrSquished]

I'm trying to understand your comment about gun fetishes. You said moonbeam had a gun fetish so fuck him, but you also have a friend in Oregon who has thousands of rounds of ammunition who talks about being prepared to kill MAGA followers. Would you say your friend in Oregon has a gun fetish too?

Not at all. My friend is Not a gun fetishist. He's a liberal from New Jersey that moved to bend Oregon. He's always been for strong gun control.

But now because he is surrounded by a bunch of racists who are insane and part of a major political party who is also very racist and overt about it, he needs to protect himself. It's being pragmatic when you're surrounded by lunatics. Moonbeam is just for a lack of gun control because he obsesses over guns in general. There's a major difference here

I've often said that every Democrat should buy a gun, learn how to shoot it, but keep it in a safe since the Republicans have shown us who they are

 

[ivwshane]

This should be welcome news for your friend:

Oregon Senate passes bill to rein in paramilitary activity

The Senate on Saturday passed a bill that would clamp down on paramilitary activity and give law enforcement and private citizens tools to combat illegal intimidation, including through civil actions.

www.ijpr.org

 

[darkswordsman17]

Oh cool, just what we need another gun thread by the OP. Wondered how long before he'd start this shit again since he's been trying really hard to hide his right wing dipshittery. That normally follows him making an ass out of himself, but seems he's now in the stage of trying to play at being rational before pushing this shit like it'll legitimize it after the multiple other times he just showed exactly who he is (scared man worried about his own masculinity due to listening to Jordan Peterson sermonize).

If a gun calms you its because you're scared, and regardless of it being rational or not (for the most part, modern gun ownership in the US is based on irrational fear), the gun will not be the solution and its calming will just lead you to dependence on it until it provides less and less calming, causing you to seek more and/or bigger guns/more ammo/etc to compensate. The reality is that, even if it is rational fear, the money you spend on guns would be much better spent in some other way (getting you out of the situation; or if its irrational fear, spend it on therapy or education).

I'm trying to understand your comment about gun fetishes. You said moonbeam had a gun fetish so fuck him, but you also have a friend in Oregon who has thousands of rounds of ammunition who talks about being prepared to kill MAGA followers. Would you say your friend in Oregon has a gun fetish too?

No, his friend is being realistic because far right groups are openly talking about harming others (whilst they plot more clandestinely). The friend isn't fetishizing guns, but he is definitely letting the fear of the situation he's in cloud his thinking and he'd be better off moving since he won't know peace there. His fear isn't irrational, but his way of dealing with it is.

Unfortunately for his friend if you want to play in the outdoors that is offered by this country's nature, you're gonna have to put up with these fucking insane asswipes as they've deliberately staked out such areas. There's been a fuss made about people going missing in national parks, only the dumbasses making the fuss are projecting that its Bigfoot or aliens (seriously...), but the reality is its almost certainly these fucking backwoods nutjobs, likely killing/abducting some of those people.

Here's one woman's such ordeal with these types (and while they've been there for decades, their numbers have grown and there's a direct connection between that and the rise of far right ideology in the US; it was literally what led to Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Timothy McVeigh, but is also is behind the Bundy clan and the rise of neo-Nazi groups and even the January 6th insurrection):

Out of the Woods - 30 for 30 Podcasts

Out Of The Woods World-class biathlete Kari Swenson was on an afternoon trail run in the mountains near Big Sky, Montana in July 1984 when two men blocked her path and forever altered the trajectory of her life. More: Bonnie Ford on the legacy of America’s first women’s biathlon team

30for30podcasts.com

Now, contrasting his friend with the OP, the latter is a pathetic chickenshit who needs to stroke a surrogate metal penis to make himself feel less scared (cause Jordan Peterson probably told him fidget spinners will turn him gay or something), likely because he grew up in some rural backwoods where guns were considered "necessary" and so its basically a pacifier for him. The problem is, he's convinced himself of some fear, that he is the source of (if I remember correctly he's talked about some fear of societal upheaval, only, the source of that are jackass men like himself, scared out of their minds about stuff like drag queens, pronouns, and other shit that doesn't have any real actual bearing on their lives and even if it did it wouldn't be something to be scared about, yet they're getting brainwashed to fear this stuff as some existential threat to their masculinity, revealing their fears about their masculinity are coming from letting themselves be duped into fearing and hating minor shit while they bury their heads in the sand about stuff they should be worried about).

 

[MrSquished]

Oh cool, just what we need another gun thread by the OP. Wondered how long before he'd start this shit again since he's been trying really hard to hide his right wing dipshittery. That normally follows him making an ass out of himself, but seems he's now in the stage of trying to play at being rational before pushing this shit like it'll legitimize it after the multiple other times he just showed exactly who he is (scared man worried about his own masculinity due to listening to Jordan Peterson sermonize).

If a gun calms you its because you're scared, and regardless of it being rational or not (for the most part, modern gun ownership in the US is based on irrational fear), the gun will not be the solution and its calming will just lead you to dependence on it until it provides less and less calming, causing you to seek more and/or bigger guns/more ammo/etc to compensate. The reality is that, even if it is rational fear, the money you spend on guns would be much better spent in some other way (getting you out of the situation; or if its irrational fear, spend it on therapy or education).



No, his friend is being realistic because far right groups are openly talking about harming others (whilst they plot more clandestinely). The friend isn't fetishizing guns, but he is definitely letting the fear of the situation he's in cloud his thinking and he'd be better off moving since he won't know peace there. His fear isn't irrational, but his way of dealing with it is.

Unfortunately for his friend if you want to play in the outdoors that is offered by this country's nature, you're gonna have to put up with these fucking insane asswipes as they've deliberately staked out such areas. There's been a fuss made about people going missing in national parks, only the dumbasses making the fuss are projecting that its Bigfoot or aliens (seriously...), but the reality is its almost certainly these fucking backwoods nutjobs, likely killing/abducting some of those people.

Here's one woman's such ordeal with these types (and while they've been there for decades, their numbers have grown and there's a direct connection between that and the rise of far right ideology in the US; it was literally what led to Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Timothy McVeigh, but is also is behind the Bundy clan and the rise of neo-Nazi groups and even the January 6th insurrection):

Out of the Woods - 30 for 30 Podcasts

Out Of The Woods World-class biathlete Kari Swenson was on an afternoon trail run in the mountains near Big Sky, Montana in July 1984 when two men blocked her path and forever altered the trajectory of her life. More: Bonnie Ford on the legacy of America’s first women’s biathlon team

30for30podcasts.com

Now, contrasting his friend with the OP, the latter is a pathetic chickenshit who needs to stroke a surrogate metal penis to make himself feel less scared (cause Jordan Peterson probably told him fidget spinners will turn him gay or something), likely because he grew up in some rural backwoods where guns were considered "necessary" and so its basically a pacifier for him. The problem is, he's convinced himself of some fear, that he is the source of (if I remember correctly he's talked about some fear of societal upheaval, only, the source of that are jackass men like himself, scared out of their minds about stuff like drag queens, pronouns, and other shit that doesn't have any real actual bearing on their lives and even if it did it wouldn't be something to be scared about, yet they're getting brainwashed to fear this stuff as some existential threat to their masculinity, revealing their fears about their masculinity are coming from letting themselves be duped into fearing and hating minor shit while they bury their heads in the sand about stuff they should be worried about).

He is not a good friend, but a friend nonetheless. I worked with him for a bit and we share a love of bicycles and always kept in touch. I know his politics.

He loves that place. He sold his half of a business in NJ and a pricey condo in a nice area, cashed out and moved his family out there to be near mountain biking and skiing/snowboarding. That is is mecca. His kids now ride and ski like nuts as well. So he will hold out. So just as you say, he is being realistic for now. If he is there if the party of @Greenman get the order to do what they are clearly wanting to do. And the guys that call him N***er out there are pretty clear about what they want to do if they can get away with it. All they need is more control of the government, and so far any candidate to lead @Greenman 's party with a realistic chance to win will do exactly that at some point.

He is not out to kill anyone, but he will defend himself and take as many of the white nationalist fascist Trumpers he can down in the process.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This should be welcome news for your friend:

Oregon Senate passes bill to rein in paramilitary activity

The Senate on Saturday passed a bill that would clamp down on paramilitary activity and give law enforcement and private citizens tools to combat illegal intimidation, including through civil actions.

www.ijpr.org

Oh yes, being able to sue these right wing psychos will totally take care of the issue. Because they've shown they really value the law of the land. As evidenced by the time the shitheads took over a federal government camp.

Did you read your article? He could only sue if they tried to intimidate him from voting or otherwise restricted his personal freedoms. Further, they're passing that because of the shitass police doing jack shit and/or sympathizing with the right wing nutjobs instead of protecting people. Further, it has to be a concerted group. Random racist dickheads calling him the n-word and probably threatening him wouldn't fall under that.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Oh yes, being able to sue these right wing psychos will totally take care of the issue. Because they've shown they really value the law of the land. As evidenced by the time the shitheads took over a federal government camp.

Did you read your article? He could only sue if they tried to intimidate him from voting or otherwise restricted his personal freedoms. Further, they're passing that because of the shitass police doing jack shit and/or sympathizing with the right wing nutjobs instead of protecting people. Further, it has to be a concerted group. Random racist dickheads calling him the n-word and probably threatening him wouldn't fall under that.

Or the time they stormed the Michigan state capitol. Or the time they stormed the United States Capitol.

 

[MrSquished]

it's pretty amazing to see pro gun Republicans call liberals sick when they buy guns to defend themselves and say how they are training to defend their families against the overtly racist and fascist white nationalist party which surrounds them and straight up calls them slurs to their faces, which we know what they want to do if they could get away with it, and will do so when and if given the opportunity by their leadership, which is exactly where GQP leadership is going. People like @Greenman are so insanely warped and twisted in the head it blows my mind.

Know your enemy, they do not know themselves, another reason they are scary nasty people.