An Inconvenient Truth

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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: sandorski
As I recall Clinton tried to do something, but Congress had some power back then(or the President didn't assume total power) and they nixed any attempts to do something.

your right Clinton did try to do something...but that something was to Monica lewinski....lolol
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: sandorski
As I recall Clinton tried to do something, but Congress had some power back then(or the President didn't assume total power) and they nixed any attempts to do something.

Congress has power now. They just don't exercise it, because their man is in charge of the executive branch too.

Point 2: Mans contribution is insignificant compared to natural production. Thats a fact. Math does not lie when it's a simple ratio of man versus earth.
Earth has been dealing with its own emissions for a very long time. It can deal with that. Life tends to find a balance. Humans are screwing it up in a very short time period. Nature locked up huge amounts of CO2 millions of years ago, which is now coal, oil, and natural gas. Without humanity, that CO2 would have remained locked up indefinitely. We've instead brought it to the surface, and burned it - not what nature intended. Sort of like Pandora's box - all the bad things were locked away in there. A person came along and let the bad things out, which screwed over the world.
 

maluckey

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DrPizza

The date of the source has no bearing on the validity of the argument. Einstein wrote most of his works in the early 20th century. It's still valid science.

Just for fun i also thought to mention that Methane and Solar flux are the latest in the mix.

Solar Variability

Methane as cause

Both are are VERY recent if it pleases you. I have many more. The point is that there are so many theories that to hold to one at the cost of others is poor science indeed. I found these in less than one minute. If there are that many theories by real researchers, you are foolish to believe that this is a closed case.
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Get rid of the Republican morons so someone will actualyl change the way we create energy in this damned country. .... and so developing third world countries adopt that tech before becoming dependant on fossil fuels.
Clinton and Gore had 8 years to do something, and what happened? ummm Nothing....
What ever happened to this great campaign promise? ""We'll seek to raise the average goal for automakers to 45 miles per gallon." - Philadelphia, April 22, 1992" hmmmm still not at that level... what makes you think a Democrat now will do anything different?

Why not pull up a quote relevant to CO2 emmisions?

You do know that fuel economy can be improved .... just let the engines run hotter. Now what is the side effect? More CO2 is produced. Thanks for making a point for me though.

EDIT: Oh ... and if you don't beleive me, why do emmissions testing statins require that you leave your engien running? It's laughbalbe when you talk to a bunch of engineers (like me)

Please, tell me about all the dangers of modern nuclear power production. I'm sure those are irrelevant also.

Want fuel efficeiont cars? Requrie turbine engines!
 

Craig234

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President Clinton?s Radio Address to the Nation:
Meeting America's Energy Needs In The 21st Century

July 1, 2000



President Clinton, in his weekly radio address, today called on Congress to join him in strengthening America?s energy security by fully funding energy programs in his FY 2001 budget and by enacting other key elements of the Administration?s long-term energy strategy. The President also urged the Republican leadership to abandon environmentally reckless proposals to drill for oil in pristine Alaska wilderness and on other federal lands.

PRESIDENT CLINTON?S PLAN TO MEET AMERICA?S ENERGY NEEDS IN THE 21ST CENTURY: Ensuring the availability of affordable and environmentally responsible energy is central to maintaining our unparalleled economic growth and prosperity. For seven years, this Administration has consistently pursued a forward-looking and balanced approach to meeting America?s energy needs in the 21st century. This strategy supports continued development of traditional energy sources, and aggressive efforts to improve energy efficiency and promote alternative energy sources.

To ease reliance on imported oil, the Administration has invested in new technologies that have significantly enhanced recovery of domestic oil reserves. To promote clean energy alternatives, the Administration has expanded research and development of solar, wind, biomass and other renewable sources. To save energy and money, the Administration has adopted new energy-efficiency standards for appliances and forged new partnerships with industry. These include Energy Star® and the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), which is on track to producing affordable vehicles that get three times the mileage of today?s models. And to demonstrate federal leadership, the President has issued Executive Orders directing federal agencies to dramatically improve the energy efficiency of their buildings and automotive fleets.

THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS HAS FAILED TO ACT TO STRENGTHEN AMERICA?S ENERGY SECURITY: The Republican leadership has failed to act on key elements of the President?s long-term energy policy, including: tax incentives to consumers for the purchase of energy-efficient cars, homes and appliances; comprehensive electricity restructuring; and reauthorization of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Over the past seven years, Congress has approved only 12 percent of the increased funding proposed by the President for energy efficiency and renewable energy.

Now, the Republican leadership wants to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling ? despoiling one of America?s last wild places for a short-term supply of oil. What?s more, they are cutting programs critical to meeting our long-term energy needs. For instance:

* The House appropriation of $650 million for Energy Conservation is $201 million less than the President?s request, and $71 million below the current year?s appropriations. These cuts include:

* A $143 million cut -- complete elimination ? of applied R&D at the Department of Energy (DOE) for the PNGV program, canceling over 400 R&D projects in 33 States by 15 Federal labs, 22 universities, and others;

* A $14 million cut in the low-income home Weatherization Assistance Program, which will mean about 7,000 fewer low-income families will have their energy bills reduced; and

* A $2 million cut from industrial cogeneration, which funds R&D on more efficient turbines that increase energy efficiency and reliability of the electrical grid.

* The House appropriation of $343 million for Solar and Renewable Energy is $67 million less than the President?s budget request. These cuts include:

* Cuts in biomass fuels and biopower R&D, virtually eliminating our planned increase to develop alternative transportation fuels and to make better use of biomass and waste materials for generating electricity;

* Reductions in solar electricity R&D, designed to make solar energy cost-competitive; and

* Cuts in R&D for wind-power, which, if adequately funded, will be competitive within a few years.



THE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED ON CONGRESS TO PASS THESE KEY ELEMENTS OF OUR ENERGY STRATEGY: The President calls on Congress to pass the following key components of his Energy Policy:



I. Tax Incentives to Encourage Greater Efficiency, Renewable Energy, and Domestic Oil Production

The Administration has proposed a balanced package of tax incentives to promote responsible development of traditional energy sources, and, for three years has proposed tax incentives to promote a wide range of alternative and renewable energy sources. The President and Vice President, once again, call on Congress to enact:

* Tax incentives to support the domestic oil and gas industries, including the expensing of geological and geophysical testing and "delay" rental payments;

* Tax credits to promote wind, solar, biomass, and other domestic alternative sources of energy;

* Tax credits for electric, fuel cell, and Qualified Hybrid Vehicles ($2 billion, five-year package); and

* Tax credits for fuel-efficient homes and buildings.

II. Investments in R&D to Improve Energy Efficiency, Make Renewable Energy Affordable, and Promote the Clean Use of Fossil Energy

Increased energy efficiency has significantly enhanced our energy security by reducing our demand for imported oil. For example, in 1974, we consumed 15 barrels of oil for each $10,000 of GDP; today we only consume 8 barrels of oil per unit of GDP. But much more can be done. The President and Vice President have secured substantial increases to accelerate the research, development, and deployment of alternative and more efficient energy technologies. They call on Congress to build on these efforts by approving the following FY 2001 requests:

* $1.7 billion for Federal R&D efforts to promote energy efficiency in buildings, industry, and transportation, and expanded use of renewable energy and distributed power generation systems, including:

* $254 million to continue the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), which is on track to deliver affordable cars that get up to three times the fuel efficiency of today?s cars;

* $289 million, a 47 percent increase, for a bioenergy initiative that will help us develop new fuels for cars and new sources of electricity, reducing U.S. oil consumption;

* $275 million, a 42 percent increase, for R&D investments to develop technologies to make homes and buildings more energy efficient;

* $154 million to weatherize low-income homes, reducing energy bills and the demand for oil; and

* An increase for Energy Star® product and building partnerships, to promote the purchase of energy-efficient products and buildings. (If all consumers purchased Energy Star® products and buildings, the Nation's energy bill could be reduced by $100 billion over the next 15 years).

* $376 million for fossil energy R&D to enhance domestic oil exploration and promote clean use of fossil fuels, including $10 million to continue an Ultra-Clean Fuels Initiative to develop cleaner fuels in existing refineries;

* $5 million for research to help safely extend the life of nuclear power plants; and

* $85 million to create a new Clean Air Partnership Fund to help States and localities reduce pollution and become more energy efficient.

III. Comprehensive Electricity Restructuring for Reliability and Savings

Enactment of the Administration?s proposed comprehensive legislation will lower electricity prices, clean the environment, encourage innovation and new services, and increase the reliability of our Nation's power supply grid. It will also enhance energy security by enabling us to operate our economy on less fuel. The President and Vice President?s proposed legislation, which Congress has failed to act on for over two years would:

* Provide $20 billion in annual savings to America?s families, saving typical family of four $232 per year;

* Strengthen Reliable Service by requiring all participants in electric transactions on the grid to comply with mandatory reliability standards developed by a reliability organization; and

* Improve the environment, through both market mechanisms and policies that promote investments in energy efficiency, renewable energy, distributed power and combined heat and power technologies.

IV. Preparation for Energy Supply Emergencies

Notwithstanding our best efforts to promote a diverse and secure supply of energy, because of the location of the world's oil reserves, the fact remains that we import a sizeable portion of the oil we consume. In order to mitigate that risk, and to address emergencies created by unusually cold or warm weather, the Administration supports:

* Renewed authority to use the Strategic Petroleum Reserve;

* The creation of a Northeast/New England Home Heating Oil Reserve; and

* Full funding of emergency fund in the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP).