An Inconvenient Truth: Hard data that shows that a centrist Democrat would be a losing candidate

[SMOGZINN]

This is somewhat true.
I firmly believe the outcome of the last election was more Hillary losing it than trump winning it. She had several horrendous gaffes that pretty much cost her the whole thing (the handling of the email scandal, the poor running mate choice, failing to campaign in key states and instead going to dicey states you didn't need like arizona, the negative ad campaign strategy, the failure to compose her message down to simple points as opposed to the book the campaign published on their aims).

I'm curious on why do you think that everyone overlooked Trumps endless gaffes but not Hillary's? And lets not deceive ourselves, Trump committed a gaffe at almost every rally, interview, and debate. Many of them worse than anything we have seen in national politics, well ever.

 

[Sunburn74]

I'm curious on why do you think that everyone overlooked Trumps endless gaffes but not Hillary's? And lets not deceive ourselves, Trump committed a gaffe at almost every rally, interview, and debate. Many of them worse than anything we have seen in national politics, well ever.

His entire campaign was a gaffe and he was seen as a clown from the moment he announced (I believe the NY reported it in their entertainment section at the time). The fact he was seen as a clown actually protected him from paying a serious penalty for his gaffes (if the class valedictorian draws a penis on the board it's seen much more seriously than if the class clown does it's). Plus he was actually playing up his gaffes as a means to get extremists into his camp. The miracle of Trump's win is that allegedly sensible classic Republicans didn't abandon him but held their noses and votes for him anyway in 9/10 fashion . Shame on them.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is somewhat true.
I firmly believe the outcome of the last election was more Hillary losing it than trump winning it. She had several horrendous gaffes that pretty much cost her the whole thing (the handling of the email scandal, the poor running mate choice, failing to campaign in key states and instead going to dicey states you didn't need like arizona, the negative ad campaign strategy, the failure to compose her message down to simple points as opposed to the book the campaign published on their aims).

It was the most devastating slime attack in American politics in my lifetime. I turned 70 last month. Trump & his Russian friends found willing dupes in people who've absorbed decades of GOP propaganda & they exploited it masterfully, particularly in internet hacking & the new medium of social media. Brilliant. Stunning. Truly mind boggling. I never dreamed that so many of my fellow Americans were quite so vulnerable.

 

[dank69]

I guess if your focus is exclusively on a limited set of economic issues. In many other ways she very much did behave like Republican-lite such as having a very interventionist foreign policy (including having been chief architect of the current mess in Libya and notable hawkish neoliberal, refusing to rule out military action against Iran, and of course voting for the Iraq invasion), near Orwellian levels of devotion to the surveillance state, and high level of cozy with Wall Street on numerous fronts including opposing reimposition of Glass-Steagall and having paid speeches to Wall Street big wigs where she suggests they limit themselves so she wouldn't need to regulate them directly. Bernie and to a lesser extent Elizabeth Warren are progressives who want to substantially remake the current system, Hillary Clinton is an establishment person to the core whose preferred changes are around the margins. Whether Bernie or Warren would actually be effective in getting their big picture changes is another story, but to say Hillary Clinton would behave similarly to them defies logic and her entire history of actual political acts.

This is why we can't have nice things. While I'll grant you that she was more hawkish than I'd like, your characterization is laughable and misinformed, straight from alt-right media. How about you actually research that shit with an open mind and get back to me when you want to discuss reality. Haha, I'll hold my breath.