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its pain in the ass figuring out what works best for each game. most can just go with vsync and look just fine. others need some kind of cap or lower framerate vsync. and some I can actually run the full 144hz with vsync.

btw anyone that thinks they can stay at 144 fps or even 100 fps in every game if they just throw tons of gpu power at it is a fool. there are some games where I was doing some testing and lowered the resolution to only 1280. instead of nearly doubling my framerates what I got in some cases was just a decent boost but my gpu usage dropped into the 80s and even in the 70s. lol thats with a freaking 2500k at 4.4. a couple games could not even stay above 60 fps the whole time.

I guess the best thing about this monitor is that even in worst case scenario its still a better experience than any 60 hz screen. and you can customize every game to what plays and feels the best if you are willing to take the time. I guess I feel overwhelmed because I keep firing up so many games trying to see what works.

I still keep going back to Dead Space 3 though as its just stunning feeling at 144 hz vsynced. if all games could be configured like and run that smooth then I would be heaven.
 
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Mark Rejhon

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I still keep going back to Dead Space 3 though as its just stunning feeling at 144 hz vsynced. if all games could be configured like and run that smooth then I would be heaven.
How does it compare to 120Hz VSYNC'd LightBoost for your eyes? What did your eyes prefer?

If you have ToastyX StrobeLight installed, hit Control+Alt+Plus to switch to 144Hz, and hit Control+Alt+Minus to switch to LightBoost (120Hz).
 

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I really cant decide if I want to keep this. its garbage looking other than the 144hz. and really some games are so poorly done that they hitch and stutter no matter what hardware or monitor is used. its is nice to have much less tearing though.

and btw I hooked the old dell back up and it performs the same if not better when both are 60hz which shows that 144hz is really the only thing going for it over my old monitor.
 

hans030390

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The monitor is only worth having if you use LightBoost on it. Otherwise, it's a big waste. There are much better 120Hz monitors out there (with or without LB) with better picture quality.
 

skipsneeky2

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Never exactly got the whole thing about 120hz and 144hz monitors,i am a gamer who never enables vsync and must have 60fps+ or else i drop some settings so i wonder if i could feel or if my eyes as a whole could see something going to a 120hz screen.

Not even sure i could give up the awesome colors the u2412m provides,i went to using my 17'' 1280x1024 for a short time as i got into some older non widescreen supported games and found the colors so damn dull that i went into the menu attempting every adjustment under the sun and simply failed to produce anything close to my u2412m lol.
 

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The monitor is only worth having if you use LightBoost on it. Otherwise, it's a big waste. There are much better 120Hz monitors out there (with or without LB) with better picture quality.
all 120hz panels use TN panels so I dont see how any could be much better.
 

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all 120hz panels use TN panels so I dont see how any could be much better.

Exactly why I'm not jumping to 120hz+ yet. I cannot see myself dumping more money into a 1080p TN panel unless my current one dies. I love seeing the drive to higher resolutions in notebooks, tablets, and smartphones; with their super-high PPI and great color reproduction.

I really am starting to appreciate how important motion quality is. Sure 60hz is good and all, but I think a 120hz notebook display would be a great selling point.

How would a 120hz smartphone display look compared to the standard 60hz we all have? Would scrolling be smoother? Would tactile feedback be even more pleasing? The super-high resolution race is picking up; but would a high refresh rate be a better selling point? I think so.
 

bystander36

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I personally find it worth it, partly due to the fact that I need 80+ FPS in 1st person games to not get nauseated after an hour or less time of gaming.

Unfortunately, you chose the 120+hz monitor with the most complaints about color. I wonder if you would have been happier with the BENQ XL2420T, which does not seem to get the complaints.
 

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the complaints were about colors in general which dont bother me after I set it up the way I like. the issues I have are basically the same as with any TN panel which is which is brightness and color shift when moving at all. in most games its not noticeable but on some webpages its annoying. and in dark scenes there is horrible black crush.

so basically black crush, dithering, banding, color shift and completely different brightness from top to bottom are my complaints.
 

hans030390

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Those can still vary from panel to panel, even just with TN. I'm sure this Asus monitor is pretty bad (relatively) compared to many other TN panels outside of just colors.
 

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Those can still vary from panel to panel, even just with TN. I'm sure this Asus monitor is pretty bad (relatively) compared to many other TN panels outside of just colors.
yes it can vary but all TN panels are still terrible in those respects. I have had no less than 20 TN monitors that I have used and they are all pretty much crap. if not for gaming then no way would I consider buying one if I had the funds for a better quality screen.
 

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after 2 weeks its now going back. besides the 144hz, its just TN garbage that is no better than what I already have so I will just keep the old Dell for now. yeah 144hz is great but to get the full effect you need 144 fps and vsync. and reality is that is NOT going to happen for most games no matter how much gpu power you throw at it. I lower settings and even resolution and in most games I tested my cpu could not deliver 144 fps. gpu usage would even plummet in many cases as even at 4.4, a 2500k still cannot accomplish that. many games are just too poorly coded and needlessly cpu limited.

now it is still great to have less tearing but I can just run games with vsync on with old monitor and avoid that anyway. and I put my old Dell side by side with this one and at 60hz or 60fps, the the Acer actually was no better at all as for as jitter goes. only using 144 hz and getting high framerates made a noticeable difference.
 
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Did you ever use Lightboost at 120hz? How did that work out?
I did not even bother with that and it would not have changed my mind on sending it back. most of the time I am not gaming and overall the monitor was not any better than what I had. in fact I really found it more annoying to look at as the color shift and brightness shift was clearly worse than what I already had. also on some screens it was like I could see the pixels crawling or moving. I have seen other screens do that but the old Dell does not so yet another reason to just stick with it until it gives out.
 

skipsneeky2

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Toyota what Dell monitor did you use prior to this?

From the sound of things 144hz was a failed experiment for you but heck i am one of those games who always craves a 60+fps over eye candy and something like 45+ and would drop as many settings as needed to acquire 60+ unless its a busted game like GTA4 and you know all about that,some people swear by 120hz+ but honestly i have not wrapped my head around the concept of a 120mhz monitor.
 

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I have the Dell S2409W which on paper is nothing special. as for as gaming goes though it and the Acer I had before blow any other newer 60 hz screen away. EVERY led back lit 60hz screen I have tried was horrible looking in comparison when it comes to blur and jitter. even one of the "gaming" Asus 2ms screens was a joke and quickly returned.

at this point I think I want 2560x1440 but will just keep the Dell for now.
 

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I did not even bother with that and it would not have changed my mind on sending it back. most of the time I am not gaming and overall the monitor was not any better than what I had. in fact I really found it more annoying to look at as the color shift and brightness shift was clearly worse than what I already had. also on some screens it was like I could see the pixels crawling or moving. I have seen other screens do that but the old Dell does not so yet another reason to just stick with it until it gives out.
It is a shame you never even tried it. Most I hear rave about it, so I figured it was at least worth trying it out for a few minutes.
 

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It is a shame you never even tried it. Most I hear rave about it, so I figured it was at least worth trying it out for a few minutes.
well I read up on it and tbh I just really did not care to fool with it. again it would not have changed my mind about the normal daily use of the screen. overall I am glad that I have gone back to my previous screen.