An Expression of Frustration over the Bulldozer Debacle

[Idontcare]

Only politicos think they get to define how the public interacts with them.

But, back on topic, AMD needs to pick a hard date for release and STICK to it.

Uh, what?

How about you email Rory Read and let us know how your efforts to interact with him that goes.

 

[bridito]

Mr. Rory Read
CEO
AMD
One AMD Place
Sunnyvale, CA

Dear Mr. Read:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

We the members of AnandTech forums have given your company more than enough latitude in the release of your Bulldozer line. Although we are fully cognizant of the fact that in order to trounce your competition in the most popular benchmarks you may need to reach stepping B74, we demand that you release Zambezi immediately and in any case no later than September 19. Should you fail to do so, we will hold our breaths, turn blue, and blame it all on you and your boyfriend Hector Ruiz. Do not take this threat lightly as we have accomplished Photoshop artists on this forum ready to ensure that TechCrunch will receive ample photographic evidence of you two in flagrante delicto.

Govern yourself accordingly.

The AnandTech Gang

 

[frostedflakes]

Haha

 

[jellowiggler]

Nice. I'm sure this will get us far.

 

[Idontcare]

Mr. Rory Read
CEO
AMD
One AMD Place
Sunnyvale, CA

Dear Mr. Read:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

We the members of AnandTech forums have given your company more than enough latitude in the release of your Bulldozer line. Although we are fully cognizant of the fact that in order to trounce your competition in the most popular benchmarks you may need to reach stepping B74, we demand that you release Zambezi immediately and in any case no later than September 19. Should you fail to do so, we will hold our breaths, turn blue, and blame it all on you and your boyfriend Hector Ruiz. Do not take this threat lightly as we have accomplished Photoshop artists on this forum ready to ensure that TechCrunch will receive ample photographic evidence of you two in flagrante delicto.

Govern yourself accordingly.

The AnandTech Gang

D:

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Uh, what?

How about you email Rory Read and let us know how your efforts to interact with him that goes.

Last I heard Rory Read wasn't a politician.

 

[Idontcare]

Only politicos think they get to define how the public interacts with them.

Last I heard Rory Read wasn't a politician.

Your statements are in contradiction to one another.

Rory Read very much gets to define how the public interacts with him, and yet he is not a politician.

 

[Rvenger]

Mr. Rory Read
CEO
AMD
One AMD Place
Sunnyvale, CA

Dear Mr. Read:

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

We the members of AnandTech forums have given your company more than enough latitude in the release of your Bulldozer line. Although we are fully cognizant of the fact that in order to trounce your competition in the most popular benchmarks you may need to reach stepping B74, we demand that you release Zambezi immediately and in any case no later than September 19. Should you fail to do so, we will hold our breaths, turn blue, and blame it all on you and your boyfriend Hector Ruiz. Do not take this threat lightly as we have accomplished Photoshop artists on this forum ready to ensure that TechCrunch will receive ample photographic evidence of you two in flagrante delicto.

Govern yourself accordingly.

The AnandTech Gang

Sent

 

[bridito]

Sent

Thanks! Do I owe you postage?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Your statements are in contradiction to one another.

Rory Read very much gets to define how the public interacts with him, and yet he is not a politician.

I suggest you try rereading what I wrote. They are not contradictory.

 

[Idontcare]

I suggest you try rereading what I wrote. They are not contradictory.

Nah, it's a clear contradiction, but you can't be bothered to read what I wrote to realize it. So, your loss. *shrug*

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Well, we're once again off topic but, I'll spell it out for the reading impaired.

Only politicos think they get to define how the public interacts with them.

This says nothing about non politicos. Non politicians are free to define however they wish how the public interacts with them. Politicians are not because they supposedly work for the public. Do you understand?

 

[BlueBlazer]

The AnandTech Gang

You may want to add.....

What about the plight of AM3+ boards owners without AM3+ CPUs for more than 3 months and counting...


Do note that I have friends with AM3+ boards (with Sempron and Athlon II) waiting. They all want to know when Bulldozer is coming. :hmm:

 

[sm625]

I just read JF-AMD's comments comparing IPC to body weight. Yes if you weigh 195 lbs, it does say a lot about whether you are fat or skinny. Because unless you are 4 foot 11, you're going to be on the skinny side. He makes it sound like BD max clock is gonna be 6.5 GHz. I seriously doubt that. So yes IPC matters. I just want to know if it will beat a phenom II clock for clock in typical applications.

 

[grkM3]

Intel has been increasing ipc and clock speed while also getting better power efficiency.

Once IVY 2011 comes out with 8-10 core 22nm parts I dont think AMD will have an answer to that.

They should just have intel build there chips in there 22nm fabs

 

[exar333]

I just read JF-AMD's comments comparing IPC to body weight. Yes if you weigh 195 lbs, it does say a lot about whether you are fat or skinny. Because unless you are 4 foot 11, you're going to be on the skinny side. He makes it sound like BD max clock is gonna be 6.5 GHz. I seriously doubt that. So yes IPC matters. I just want to know if it will beat a phenom II clock for clock in typical applications.

The fact that he cannot say 'it is faster clock for clock vs. PHII' is probably out of his control. That said, the reason he probably cannot say that, is because that BD is only 'selectively' faster per-clock than PhII. It's a little troubling that a company cannot just say, 'Sure it's faster than our old product! You will get more information at launch.' :|

 

[Arachnotronic]

Thread title changed.

 

[Idontcare]

I just read JF-AMD's comments comparing IPC to body weight. Yes if you weigh 195 lbs, it does say a lot about whether you are fat or skinny. Because unless you are 4 foot 11, you're going to be on the skinny side. He makes it sound like BD max clock is gonna be 6.5 GHz. I seriously doubt that. So yes IPC matters. I just want to know if it will beat a phenom II clock for clock in typical applications.

I liked John's post on IPC...what makes me shake my head is that it is EXACTLY the same argument that Intel made about the Pentium 4 and Netburst...and we all know how that turned out. :hmm:

If they really are going to go the "high MHz" route then they should drop the obtuse labeling system and just put GHz right in the name of the product and let the "MHz sells" natural purchasing inclinations of many consumers work to their advantage.

 

[exar333]

The title makes more sense now. I would be a little hesitant to call BD a 'debacle' until we know more about the performance. Sure it's late, but we don't yet for sure if it's been worth it or not.

 

[exar333]

I liked John's post on IPC...what makes me shake my head is that it is EXACTLY the same argument that Intel made about the Pentium 4 and Netburst...and we all know how that turned out. :hmm:

If they really are going to go the "high MHz" route then they should drop the obtuse labeling system and just put GHz right in the name of the product and let the "MHz sells" natural purchasing inclinations of many consumers work to their advantage.

+1

 

[Tsavo]

i liked john's post on ipc...what makes me shake my head is that it is exactly the same argument that intel made about the pentium 4 and netburst...and we all know how that turned out. :hmm:

If they really are going to go the "high mhz" route then they should drop the obtuse labeling system and just put ghz right in the name of the product and let the "mhz sells" natural purchasing inclinations of many consumers work to their advantage.

amd fx 4200+.

:| :'(

 

[Cogman]

I liked John's post on IPC...what makes me shake my head is that it is EXACTLY the same argument that Intel made about the Pentium 4 and Netburst...and we all know how that turned out. :hmm:

If they really are going to go the "high MHz" route then they should drop the obtuse labeling system and just put GHz right in the name of the product and let the "MHz sells" natural purchasing inclinations of many consumers work to their advantage.

"6 cores x 6 GHz!! That is like a 36GHz Processor!"

.. No, I like our current meaningless numbering systems. All the consumer needs to know is that bigger is better. When you expose the average consumer to the technical details in the slightest, you end up with them spouting the above phrase or similar. You also end up with the same problem Intel had. They backed their CPUs down to 2.2 Ghz and had to explain to their customers "No, this 2.2Ghz processor really IS faster than the old 3.4Ghz processor". (not that this was a really big deal to them, though, I have run into a few P4 diehards that are convinced that their 3.4GHz CPU is faster than those new fangled C2D.)

 

[exar333]

"6 cores x 6 GHz!! That is like a 36GHz Processor!"

.. No, I like our current meaningless numbering systems. All the consumer needs to know is that bigger is better. When you expose the average consumer to the technical details in the slightest, you end up with them spouting the above phrase or similar. You also end up with the same problem Intel had. They backed their CPUs down to 2.2 Ghz and had to explain to their customers "No, this 2.2Ghz processor really IS faster than the old 3.4Ghz processor". (not that this was a really big deal to them, though, I have run into a few P4 diehards that are convinced that their 3.4GHz CPU is faster than those new fangled C2D.)

Feels like Netburst all over again....why AMD why!?

 

[Axon]

AMD never leaks benches, even when they have an absolute winner (see 4870 line of GPUs). However, it seems clear to me that part of the delay is related to trying to squeeze a little more out of BD. They did the same thing with the 6950/6970 when nvidia dropped the 570 and 580 on them and completely blew them out of the water.

 

[Cogman]

AMD never leaks benches, even when they have an absolute winner (see 4870 line of GPUs). However, it seems clear to me that part of the delay is related to trying to squeeze a little more out of BD. They did the same thing with the 6950/6970 when nvidia dropped the 570 and 580 on them and completely blew them out of the water.

That may not be it. The length of the delay signals to me that they discovered a bug with one of the prototypes. (what has it been, 3 months? That is about the length of time it takes to refab a new prototype).

Fabbing prototypes is an expensive and time consuming process.