An editorial we can all learn something from.
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I read that the other dayNot a bad editorial.
CsG
Well, I figured somebody had to do it
i agree. i think its hard for people to get into the mindset that an individual is not necessarily a set of beliefs based on party affiliation or even just label.
these boards are a perfect example, i think a lot of people try but because we know that we dont always agree on issues almost every little detail becomes an argument and each sentence is a battle.
obviously, the problem didnt start here. and it is always worth questioning which came first, the chicken talk show host or the audience egg; are we devisive by nature and demand that the media portray that leading to a more accepted idea that people are either left or right thereby either for abortion or against and if someone is for abortion then they are against social security reform, etc etc?
im not pretending to have answers but i think the crux of the matter comes down to an ability to successfully communicate ones message of goal without it getting muddled by the messangers pre-concieved notion that the other party has no desire or ability to understand their point of view.
this is understanable. i think its often hard for me to fully grasp many of the true feelings of those who have opposing viewpoints and that is perhaps partially due to my own ignorance and taking that particular person for granted but it must also be accepted (in some degree) that a person who does not agree with me is not as willing to share the core of themselves (in the form of their beliefs) with me in an absolutly candid fashion.
concious or not, i think the masking of those true beliefs is what causes a lot of trouble. comedy and insults (which these days are often closely linked) are defense mechanisms and rather than share and opinion, rooted in an intimate place within ones mind, its much easier to be glib.
bit long for me, sorry. but...trying to make myself as clear as possible.
very interested in thoughts on this. even if you feel im just expounding on the obvious.
these boards are a perfect example, i think a lot of people try but because we know that we dont always agree on issues almost every little detail becomes an argument and each sentence is a battle.
obviously, the problem didnt start here. and it is always worth questioning which came first, the chicken talk show host or the audience egg; are we devisive by nature and demand that the media portray that leading to a more accepted idea that people are either left or right thereby either for abortion or against and if someone is for abortion then they are against social security reform, etc etc?
im not pretending to have answers but i think the crux of the matter comes down to an ability to successfully communicate ones message of goal without it getting muddled by the messangers pre-concieved notion that the other party has no desire or ability to understand their point of view.
this is understanable. i think its often hard for me to fully grasp many of the true feelings of those who have opposing viewpoints and that is perhaps partially due to my own ignorance and taking that particular person for granted but it must also be accepted (in some degree) that a person who does not agree with me is not as willing to share the core of themselves (in the form of their beliefs) with me in an absolutly candid fashion.
concious or not, i think the masking of those true beliefs is what causes a lot of trouble. comedy and insults (which these days are often closely linked) are defense mechanisms and rather than share and opinion, rooted in an intimate place within ones mind, its much easier to be glib.
bit long for me, sorry. but...trying to make myself as clear as possible.
very interested in thoughts on this. even if you feel im just expounding on the obvious.
im not saying its a flawless editorial. its pretty poorly put together in my opinion and i dont agree with the nuances of it. in fact, all i agree with in it is the general theme i discuss above.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
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I think it demonstrates that both sides are equally guilty of censorship, engage in brainwashing, and simply are unwilling to respect or even attempt to understand the perspectives of the opposing side.
Schools are intended to promote and foster an evironment of learning, the sharing of ideas and open forums of discussion. Teachers should not introduce their own personal biases into the classroom, yet many of these teachers and administrators simply cannot restrain themselves in this regard.
This is not the first case of a learning center with a liberal bias has exhibited behavioral patterns of promoting free speech and discussion, only extended to those who believe their enlightened world view. For anyone who has every found themselves in a community that is comprised primarily of those of an opposing ideology, it can be quite hostile.
The far right attempts to beat students over the head with the Bible...the far left attempt to beat students over the head with their eliticist atittudes of educated = better then conservatives.
Schools are intended to promote and foster an evironment of learning, the sharing of ideas and open forums of discussion. Teachers should not introduce their own personal biases into the classroom, yet many of these teachers and administrators simply cannot restrain themselves in this regard.
This is not the first case of a learning center with a liberal bias has exhibited behavioral patterns of promoting free speech and discussion, only extended to those who believe their enlightened world view. For anyone who has every found themselves in a community that is comprised primarily of those of an opposing ideology, it can be quite hostile.
The far right attempts to beat students over the head with the Bible...the far left attempt to beat students over the head with their eliticist atittudes of educated = better then conservatives.
Editorials are meant to be opinionated and biased, arguing a particular position...the author did a fairly balanced job of exposing the hypocracy of this situation while building a fairly compelling case with what I would hope are truthful examples.
Neocons don't hesitate to say what they believe. I don't either. It's not like any of them are saying anything surprising. What am I supposed to do? Wring my hands over what they might think about my opinion? Like the Democratic Party?
Dumb kid. But so is the idea of artificial neutrality. If there are more liberals at the school, there should be more liberal leaning editorials in the newspapers.
He bailed out on his crew. Some hero.
And, might I remind you, "we" chose a fraud over a Vietnam vet and hero. Bush's father was the last president to serve in a war by the choice of the American people who'd rather have an AWOL draft dodger than someone who actually fought in a war.
Try taking a step back and realizing that liberals are just as bad as conservatives. That other peoples' opinions aren't always wrong. That you don't have all the answers.
I never said I did. But I can recognize a neocon masquerading as a "moderate" who has an agenda to further. This guy just can't stand to hear any opinion but his own.
It's becoming a real problem in this country, one opinion rule that is.
Starbuck1975
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Does that mean that liberals freely expressing themselves includes harassing, condemning, attacking, silencing or otherwise censoring conservatives who happen to be in the minority within this particular school district...the image of teachers, grown adults mind you, engaging in juvenile behavior because they cannot comprehend or tolerate a young mind that leans right in THEIR enlightened school district...because after all, from the liberal mindset, it is inconceivable for an educated and informed person to still be conservative.
Of course the right is equally guilty of this sort of behavior, in particular NEOCONs...but I find it ironic that liberals fail to see or even acknowledge the hypocracy of their own behavior sometimes.
If what he says is true about this school district, that one opinion happens to lean left.
So, you read the first paragraph or two of the article? What about the rest? Who cares what the author's political leanings are in light of the real meat of the article?
I read the entire article. He's a neocon masquerading as a moderate who can't stand to see anyone express their opinion if it differs with his narrow neocon radical view.
Starbuck1975
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Typical that you would label anyone with a dissenting viewpoint as a "NeoCon," because in doing so you dismiss my points in favor of stereotyping a political mindset...not all conservatives are NeoCons, and not everyone who is critical of liberals shares a far right ideology.
It is not a question of dishing anything out...it is a question of acknowledging that despite attempts of liberals to demonize conservatives (and vice versa) for a particular behavior, in this case censorship, you kind find plenty of evidence that demonstrates both sides are equally guilty of supressing, misunderstanding or otherwise avoiding the valid arguments presented by the opposing viewpoint.
Apparently you are unable to "take" a blatant example of liberal hypocracy...interesting that you automatically dismiss the author, despite the fact that it is a fairly well written and balanced editorial piece...if you want an example of NeoCon editorials, read anything written by Coulter, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the likes...this is an example of a conservative simply commenting on something going on at this particular school that contradicts everything liberalism is supposed to champion.
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