An American Pakistani writes on the reasons behind British Pakistani violence

[daniel49]

I found this interesting and thoughtful.
He understands his own culture and is more qualified to offer explanations then most of us?
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/muslim-muslims-on-british-muslims/

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49
I found this interesting and thoughtful.
He understands his own culture and is more qualified to offer explanations then most of us?
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/muslim-muslims-on-british-muslims/

Geez, didn't you just put me down in another thread for posing this same notion of modesty in judging other cultures, or was that somebody else or were you just complementing me on my wisdom and insight?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: daniel49
I found this interesting and thoughtful.
He understands his own culture and is more qualified to offer explanations then most of us?
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/muslim-muslims-on-british-muslims/

Geez, didn't you just put me down in another thread for posing this same notion of modesty in judging other cultures, or was that somebody else or were you just complementing me on my wisdom and insight?

it really was your best post of the month

 

[Todd33]

In the end, I am not English. I am glad to be an American. I am incredibly sensitive to the things that are happening in England and I intend on making sure the same does not happen here. I do have a step up though. As noted, the American culture is more open, less insular, and more receptive. For that reason, it is important that regular Americans try to export their vision of their domestic world, in a respectful and non-supremacist manner, to other parts of the First World (including France; who have a thing or two to learn about secularism).

I don't agree 100%, but it was well thought out.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Todd33

In the end, I am not English. I am glad to be an American. I am incredibly sensitive to the things that are happening in England and I intend on making sure the same does not happen here. I do have a step up though. As noted, the American culture is more open, less insular, and more receptive. For that reason, it is important that regular Americans try to export their vision of their domestic world, in a respectful and non-supremacist manner, to other parts of the First World (including France; who have a thing or two to learn about secularism).

I don't agree 100%, but it was well thought out.

So what don't you agree with and why, for crap sake.

He pins some of the blame on Islamaphobia and so do I, although I don't know much.

 

[Todd33]

For one:

Many Brits, for some foolish reason, pin the blame on British foreign policy. Oh, if only our foreign policy did not mimic the American foreign policy, we would stop producing home grown terrorists, because they would have no reason to hate us. Wrong. Dead wrong.

As if these extremist could recruit and drum up support as well without foreign policy that didn't include occupation of Arab and holy lands? Most experts agree that foreign policy is a major reason for the extremist hate.

 

[Jaskalas]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

In this case, zealots devout to killing non-believers have always been around regardless of foreign policy. Once that excuse is removed, another will readily fall into place. Just because you hate the foreign policy does not mean that it is the source of their motivation.

In fact, if you notice their radical education in the following video, who needs any other excuses than to be raised into hatred? They are schooled to hate.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

In this case, zealots devout to killing non-believers have always been around regardless of foreign policy. Once that excuse is removed, another will readily fall into place. Just because you hate the foreign policy does not mean that it is the source of their motivation.

In fact, if you notice their radical education in the following video, who needs any other excuses than to be raised into hatred? They are schooled to hate.

Yes, they have always been around; whether it be blowing up abortion clinics or coffee shops. The real question is how do they get volunteers, money and wide spread support? This goes back to my original point, we practically recruit for extremist organizations. We occupy their countries, kill their civilians, put military bases on holy land, and even call it a Crusade. There are always crazies preaching extreme views (yourself included), but we must not give them mass appeal by making the fence sitters think "I guess the Imam is right look at event x".

 

[5150Joker]

Good read though there's some factual errors in it. He's right for the most part though, the social structure of the US allows people to live in mixed communities and thus gives them exposure to other cultures far more than in Britain where they have isolated ghettos.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Good read though there's some factual errors in it. He's right for the most part though, the social structure of the US allows people to live in mixed communities and thus gives them exposure to other cultures far more than in Britain where they have isolated ghettos.

And the left wants us to become more like Europe?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Good read though there's some factual errors in it. He's right for the most part though, the social structure of the US allows people to live in mixed communities and thus gives them exposure to other cultures far more than in Britain where they have isolated ghettos.

And the left wants us to become more like Europe?

Nonsense, the pluralistic qualities of America are all of liberal origin.