Amp's 'Fvck You' to the middleclass.

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Amplifier

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The middle class are a group of money grubbing thieves.

Here's the short story. In Cape Cod Massachusetts the residents are trying to pass a bill to double the property tax on waterfront properties without raising the taxes on anyone else.

Keep in mind that the value of the water front properties are 1.5 times that of a non-waterfront property but the taxes are currently 4 times greater (going on 8x)

Furthermore most of the waterfront owners live outside of the town and aren't able to vote for the local government. The government/citizens see them as an easy target for unfair taxation.

That is stealing.

This is typical of the middle class. They go to church and preach all these morals, but when they see a way to steal from another person and hide behind the government it's A-Ok.

So to all the middle class people out there living off other peoples money. Or enjoying a cushy overpaid job for the government that other people pay for. I want to give you a big...

FVCK YOU

-Amp

p.s. This would be an increase of $7000 dollars a year.

p.p.s. I consider myself middleclass. I just don't steal.
 
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ahurtt

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Man, that sucks.

If I were you I'd suspect a hidden agenda. Seems like maybe somebody wants to clear out the residents from that waterfront area for some reason. Know of any commercial proposals in the works for the city to build anything on the waterfront?

Did anybody attempt to give any rationalization or reason for this proposed increase?
 
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piasabird

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Isnt Mass like the Tax Tax and more Tax State?

Mostly just rich politicians and millionaires that can own a lot of that property.
 
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1EZduzit

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So sell already. The rich people will be more then happy to get your waterfront property and we all know. I think your anger is misdirected.
 
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ECUHITMAN

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Oh yeah because the upper class do not do the exactly the same thing.

And when did the middle class start to live off other peoples money? What because they are in the middle class they shouldn't get paid for the jobs they do? Last time I checked getting food stamps/welfare did not make you middle class.

So move or deal with it.
 
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Stunt

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If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
 
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Amplifier

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Man, that sucks.

If I were you I'd suspect a hidden agenda. Seems like maybe somebody wants to clear out the residents from that waterfront area for some reason. Know of any commercial proposals in the works for the city to build anything on the waterfront?

Did anybody attempt to give any rationalization or reason for this proposed increase?
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No reason whatsoever.
 
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Amplifier

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Originally posted by: Stunt
If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
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It's been in our family for over a century.

As far as our bein able to afford it. Yes we can. I'm sure you could afford someone stealing from your house too, doesn't make it right.

FYI this has nothing to do with the national government. So leave Bush out of this. This is a local government that is raising our property taxes because they know we have no vote.
 
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PatboyX

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youd think if the middle class were money-grubbing thieves, they wouldnt stay middle class that long.
 
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Infohawk

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This is just progressive taxation. If you have problems with all progressive taxation, you are going to have a problem with this one. If you think some progressivity is okay, I don't see why this would be any different.

I have a big problem with most moral arguments regarding taxation. Everyone's money they have is corrupted with government influence, so when the government wants its due, I ask whether its a good tax policy, not whether it's right or wrong.
 
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Stunt

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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: Stunt
If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
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It's been in our family for over a century.

As far as our bein able to afford it. Yes we can. I'm sure you could afford someone stealing from your house too, doesn't make it right.

FYI this has nothing to do with the national government. So leave Bush out of this. This is a local government that is raising our property taxes because they know we have no vote.
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Bush just put through many spending cuts on the most recent budget. The municipal government could be compensating for this. If they need capital I am perfectly fine with them taxing the people with second homes, out of state and on the waterfront.

Not like there is a lack of buyers, I'm sure demand is still massive, and according to reports, the rich are getting richer and there are record numbers of millionaires these days.

If you cannot afford it, move.
 
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Amplifier

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: Stunt
If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
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It's been in our family for over a century.

As far as our bein able to afford it. Yes we can. I'm sure you could afford someone stealing from your house too, doesn't make it right.

FYI this has nothing to do with the national government. So leave Bush out of this. This is a local government that is raising our property taxes because they know we have no vote.
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Bush just put through many spending cuts on the most recent budget. The municipal government could be compensating for this. If they need capital I am perfectly fine with them taxing the people with second homes, out of state and on the waterfront.

Not like there is a lack of buyers, I'm sure demand is still massive, and according to reports, the rich are getting richer and there are record numbers of millionaires these days.

If you cannot afford it, move.
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Ok you're just ignorantly making assumptions now.

 
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Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Stunt

If you cannot afford it, move.
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taxes should be based on the properties value alone. while most are probably 2nd homes I'm sure some of these places are people's primary residence. it would seem unfair to force someone to move simply b/c they have a nice view.

edit: with regards to the OP I don't see how the middle class is to blame here - blame the voters overall. this issue is about fairness and not some sort of class warfare.
 
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ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Stunt
If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
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If where you live is anything like the planet I live on, then the rising costs of everything else currently (health care coverage, gas, utility bills because of higher gas, education costs. . .you name it) more than offsets that piss-ant tax cut. I just found out yesterday I'm not getting a salary increase this year again for the 2nd year. Not surprising really given the climate and attitude of the corporate memos that have been coming out but still. . .Everything is going up up up except salary. One reason Bush says he wants to privatize SS because as workers compensation goes up, they will have more money to set aside. . .well not from my perspective. . .anyway I'm getting off topic.
 
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Stunt

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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Ok you're just ignorantly making assumptions now.
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Government doesn't just raise taxes for the hell of it. They do it to balance budgets and provide services to citizens. Maybe you could post what the balance sheet of your municipal government is like, tell us what services they offer you disagree with and who you think should pay for it.

Taxing the low income areas will probably put ppl on the street increasing cost for homeless shelters and the like. Taxing ppl with massive waterfront properties, who are out of state seems logical if they are cash strapped.

You didn't answer my question. How much is the property worth, you said you inherited it? (ie. been in the family)
 
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Stunt

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: Stunt
If they have a secomd waterfront home, I'm sure they can afford it. Plus you have that nice juicy tax cut from Bush. It all balances itself out. I'm sure the property values have risen enough over the years for you to cover the cost of that many times over.

How much is the property worth and how much did you buy it for?
Click to expand...

If where you live is anything like the planet I live on, then the rising costs of everything else currently (health care coverage, gas, utility bills because of higher gas, education costs. . .you name it) more than offsets that piss-ant tax cut. I just found out yesterday I'm not getting a salary increase this year again for the 2nd year. Not surprising really given the climate and attitude of the corporate memos that have been coming out but still. . .Everything is going up up up except salary. One reason Bush says he wants to privatize SS because as workers compensation goes up, they will have more money to set aside. . .well not from my perspective. . .anyway I'm getting off topic.
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Is it the government's job to tax-cut whenever healthcare, and gas goes up? I don't thinkso. That's worse than welfare. If you are not happy with the price of healthcare and gas, don't bug for more tax cuts, work harder and earn more, or criticize gov't's role in these areas.
 
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umbrella39

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May I ask do you pay forced flood insurace on your waterfront property? Is this ocean front or lake front? Thanks.
 
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irwincur

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I didn't think that the rich paid taxes in America.

I mean if you listen to any drooling and ranting leftist that is exactly what you will hear. Hmm, I guess they are wrong because this would be direct evidence of them paying taxes...
 
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