Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

[Ottonomous]

How much is the Samsung 7nm EUV process expected to provide in terms of gains?
How will the RTX components be scaled/developed?
Any major architectural enhancements expected?
Will VRAM be bumped to 16/12/12 for the top three?
Will there be further fragmentation in the lineup? (Keeping turing at cheaper prices, while offering 'beefed up RTX' options at the top?)
Will the top card be capable of >4K60, at least 90?
Would Nvidia ever consider an HBM implementation in the gaming lineup?
Will Nvidia introduce new proprietary technologies again?

Sorry if imprudent/uncalled for, just interested in the forum member's thoughts.

 

[CP5670]

Ultimately, you can say that I failed to really place the proper emphasis on the 3080's higher TDP of 320W vs. 250W for the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti. (3060 Ti = 180W, 3070 = 220W.)

It may also be the particular 3080 model you have. Some of the top end AIB cards seem to have higher voltages and power limits out of the box. I went from a 1080ti ftw3 to a stock model (350W) 3090 and the temperatures are only 2-3C higher on the 3090. I undervolt the 3090 to get a bit more performance (1.8-1.9ghz) at the same power limit, and added an extra heatsink on the backplate to cool down the memory. It runs around 75C with 80% fan speed in the most demanding games.

 

[moonbogg]

Hey guys. The 3080Ti is still $2000. Catch ya later.

 

[CP5670]

Also, speaking of coolers, anyone remember this?

You don't buy a Ferrari and want it to be quiet.

 

[Ajay]

Also, speaking of coolers, anyone remember this?

You don't buy a Ferrari and want it to be quiet.

Yes. How can anyone who had one forget! I wished the closet was closer to my desk so I could stuff my computer in there

 

[CP5670]

It's going to be like all the EVs that make fake engine sounds. They will have huge coolers to make the card quiet, then add fake fan sounds because gamers want to hear it powering up.

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER rumored to feature 10752 CUDA cores, 400W+ of power - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER with 10752 CUDA cores and 400W+ of power Greymon55 is a leaker better known for AMD content. This time around, it seems that he has the first information on the upcoming flagship GPU from the SUPER series. While many gamers still struggle to find GeForce RTX 30...

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3090 Super rumored. A whole 2% more shaders (didn't realize that 3090 was not full) and possibly faster GDDR6X memory. Also 400+ W.

 

[gdansk]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER rumored to feature 10752 CUDA cores, 400W+ of power - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER with 10752 CUDA cores and 400W+ of power Greymon55 is a leaker better known for AMD content. This time around, it seems that he has the first information on the upcoming flagship GPU from the SUPER series. While many gamers still struggle to find GeForce RTX 30...

videocardz.com

3090 Super rumored. A whole 2% more shaders (didn't realize that 3090 was not full) and possibly faster GDDR6X memory. Also 400+ W.

Such a compelling product
More MSRP wringing.

 

[CP5670]

I don't see the point of having both this and the regular 3090, maybe they will discontinue the 3090? Some of the 3090 AIB cards are already over 400W and would be basically identical to this card.

 

[Mopetar]

For most people there isn't a point, but there are a small number of people who always want to have the absolute best and will buy this even though they already had a 3090.

 

[TBytemaster]

Do we know when 2GB GDDR6x modules will be available? A 3090 Super makes slightly more sense to me if they can reduce the number of modules from the unwieldy 24 the 3090 currently has to 'just' 12 on one side of the board.

They'd save a nontrivial amount of power they could use to crank clockspeeds a hair higher, and solve the annoying rear-memory cooling issues at the same time.

(I mean, really they should just do this to all 3090 models, frankly I think the 2-sided memory design and lack of robust cooling is an egregious and unacceptable design flaw.)

 

[JTsyo]

Nvidia is utilizing GA104 dies inside an unannounced GeForce RTX 3060 model

These aren't expect to be any better than the current 3060s for gaming. But at least it should provide more supply.

 

[psolord]

Since the GA104 die is bigger, doesn't that suggest that the chip could be cooler? Therefore somewhat better?

 

[DeathReborn]

Since the GA104 die is bigger, doesn't that suggest that the chip could be cooler? Therefore somewhat better?

I believe it uses more power which is why it's only available in China, less regulations.

 

[NTMBK]

I don't see the point of having both this and the regular 3090, maybe they will discontinue the 3090? Some of the 3090 AIB cards are already over 400W and would be basically identical to this card.

Discontinue 3090, and replace it with the Super at +50% MSRP.

 

[CP5670]

More information coming out on this card:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti rumors: 450W TDP, 21Gbps memory ... and new power connector? - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti, the flagship reinvented Some news on the upcoming flagship NVIDIA graphics card. We received some initial specs of the upcoming GeForce RTX 3090 Ti SKU that have been shared with board partners recently. According to the information, the card is not called RTX 3090...

videocardz.com

I'm guessing it's clocked significantly higher than the 3090, as it would be the only way to justify the power requirement.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm guessing it's clocked significantly higher than the 3090, as it would be the only way to justify the power requirement.

Gotta wonder what they're going to do about the RAM on the back of the card overheating.

 

[jpiniero]

Gotta wonder what they're going to do about the RAM on the back of the card overheating.

Article says they are using 2 GB chips so that shouldn't be necessary.

 

[Ajay]

I believe it uses more power which is why it's only available in China, less regulations.

That's sort of funny, in an odd way, since China is going thru and energy crisis right now.

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA preparing GeForce RTX 3080 with GA102-220 GPU and 12GB memory for January 2022 launch - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA to add another GeForce RTX 3080 with more memory It looks like the original launch plans have been brought back from the drawer. According to our sources, NVIDIA has just informed board partners that they will have a new version of GeForce RTX 3080. The model carrying a GA102-220 GPU...

videocardz.com

3080 (Super?) 12 GB possibly coming. We might be in for another round of nVidia indecision on SKUs.

 

[Grooveriding]

This is almost certainly to phase out the 3080 and bring this in to replace it with a much higher MSRP.

 

[Ajay]

This is almost certainly to phase out the 3080 and bring this in to replace it with a much higher MSRP.

Not that MSRP matters right now...

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Not that MSRP matters right now...

- Allows NV to charge their board partners more and put more coin in their purse, however.

That GA102 chip NV might have been selling to their AIBs for $200 bucks a pop can now be sold at $300 bucks a pop, and the higher MSRP gives AIBs air cover for the increased cost of all of their other passive components/PCB/etc...

 

[jpiniero]

NVIDIA preparing GA103 based flagship mobile graphics, RTX 3080Ti or RTX 3090 Laptop GPU is coming? - VideoCardz.com

GeForce RTX 3080 Ti coming to laptops? NVIDIA could bring a high-end Ti variant to laptops for the first time. According to Matthew Smith, a maintainer of TechPowerUP GPU and GPU-Z database, NVIDIA is now working on a new flagship mobile GPU called GeForce RTX 3080 Ti. What should immediately be...

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Now there's talk of GA103 mobile parts coming. I wonder if nvidia will respin so that PCIe 5 is supported, given Alder Lake's release.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Now there's talk of GA103 mobile parts coming. I wonder if nvidia will respin so that PCIe 5 is supported, given Alder Lake's release.

That would make no sense, since PCIe 4 offers negligible advantage over PCI3 3. Eventually they will support PCIe 5, but there is no hurry, certainly nothing to delay a part over.

 

[JTsyo]

I had signed up for EVGA's queue on a 3060 back in Feb. It'll be coming on Friday. While it's nice to pay MSRP in this climate still feel like a let down since I paid the same for my 970.