Americans say Bush still more to blame than Obama for economy

[EagleKeeper]

LOL how disingenuous can you be? How can he when the Republicans filibuster EVERYTHING?

If the American public is stupid enough to swing power back to the Republicans in the Senate hopefully we can return the favor.

He never proposed anything that was workable.

Even his own party rejected his options.

Obama has acted as a caretaker for 3 years and wants to blame Bush for everything.
He wanted the position of President and failed to lead.

Bush was never pointing fingers at Clinton for setting up the Dot Com bust and enabling the 9/11 attacks.

Bush took what he inherited and developed a working plan to keep going; not spinning his wheels.

Obama is still wringing his hands - he has no clues on how to get this moving. All he is doing is hoping the natural economic cycle will bring the submarine back to the surface. He ignores the fact that he has ballast that can be blown out.

Standard procedure in leadership:
Lead
Follow
Get out of the way

He has not done anything and wants more time.


Standard rule of presidential politics:
Give the person a term to prove themselves
If they prove that they do a good job, continue with another term

If they fail; change drivers

 

[fskimospy]

He never proposed anything that was workable.

Even his own party rejected his options.

Obama has acted as a caretaker for 3 years and wants to blame Bush for everything.
He wanted the position of President and failed to lead.

Bush was never pointing fingers at Clinton for setting up the Dot Com bust and enabling the 9/11 attacks.

LOL. Bush constantly blamed Clinton for things, even into his second term.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/economy/bush_cheney/

Bush blaming Clinton for 9/11:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050830-1.html

I could quote more instances all day. Amazing revisionist history.

 

[cybrsage]

Ah the old blinders still on... yep... let us know when you are ready to acknowledge why nothing has been done. Until then the blame rests with Bush and the GOP obstructionists as much as their inane fanbois.

Nothing has been done because Obama refuses to worth WITH the other side of the aisle, instead calling them The Enemy and attacking them every opportunity.

A leader leads, which requires the support of his followers. A leader does not demonize half his followers. Obama decided it was in his personal best interest to demonize half of Congress and he is reaping what he sowed.

Had his first acts not been to demonize the republicans, but instead form a bridge with which to work with them, and still they fought back, I would blame the republicans. Since his first acts were to attack them, I blame him.

 

[Nemesis 1]

That actually comes out to biblical numbers . So its not surprizing that 2/3 believe Bush was the cause . When infact the law that broke the camels back was passed befor Bush was elected under Bill Clinton but it actually reaches all the way back to Billy bear and his socialist brother Jimmy. Oh My mistake . I meant to say his Dem brother Jimmy.

 

[Ninjahedge]

LOL Most lefties had great respect for Senator McCain when all he did was bash other Republicans. Um, I mean spoke his mind.

He bashed everyone.

Everyone that he disagreed with he did not fall instantly behind because of name-alliance.

So yes, "Lefties" liked it when a man actually spoke for himself and not for the Party.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The health care bill is an abomination and needs to be fixed. Keep the good parts and throw out most of the parts that force people to do things they dont like, which is most of the bill. Did the health care bill make anything better? It is just a big doonboggle.

Also why did the government take over student loans? That looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't have a program that pays for people who can't pay w/o funding.

What should be done is, like I said before, a two-stroke plan (if needed) where we get the same kind of plan as the military. Let the government offer its own service, at the same cost it has for the military. Start with only basic care (like checkups and family physicians).

If you see a plan like that coming in at $500/yr instead of the $12,000/yr (I am NOT kidding here) we currently pay, you might see people start to switch, or the private insurance companies start to trim their overhead (25%!!!).

But aside from those suggestions, the prospect of forcing people to pay for something like that was a good idea. I would rather see, in a flat-line item, how much I am paying for a program that I also get to use rather than not knowing what % of my taxes go to medicaid.....which I can't use.

 

[EagleKeeper]

LOL. Bush constantly blamed Clinton for things, even into his second term.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/economy/bush_cheney/

Bush blaming Clinton for 9/11:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050830-1.html

I could quote more instances all day. Amazing revisionist history.

Based on yyour first link; he states that he inherited from Clinton.
1 year later he made the statement

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Although last week's revision of U.S. gross domestic product data for 2001 may have been old news for the economy, it was something of a stroke of luck for President Bush, who has since used it as evidence that he inherited an economic mess when he took office.

Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, in separate speeches Wednesday, both claimed the U.S. economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January 2001, implying the blame for the slowdown rested on President Clinton's shoulders.

Both men also made assurances that they had a handle on the problems facing the economy.


"When I took office, our economy was beginning a recession," Bush said in a speech at a Mississippi high school. "Then our economy was hit by terrorists. Then our economy was hit by corporate scandals. But I'm certain of this: We won't let fear undermine our economy and we're not going to let fraud undermine it either."

This is nothing like what Obama has been stating and 3+ years later.

What assurances has Obama issued.
Bush took the situation and got it turned around


Your second link has nothing related to Clinton and talks about 9/11; does not lay any blame.

 

[Ninjahedge]

BTW, how is saying Obama having unemployment at 8% and steady when it was trending downwards is a failure and use a 7+ year turnaround by Reagan as an example.

i am sensing a 4 year difference and a possible natural rebound being fostered, not created, by the Reagan admin (which also proceeded to slash-and-burn our economy back up into a self-depricating prosperity that sold a good deal of our interests overseas).

 

[Genx87]

I think Obama should run against Bush in 2012. I think the American people would rejoice at the prospect.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I love how by most conservative standards on here more than 2 out of 3 people in America are committing the unforgivable sin of saying "but BUUUUSH".

It's pretty standard politics.

I remember Sean Hannity bashing Obama for blaming his predecessor for the bad state of the economy even back in mid-2009, before Obama could have possibly done anything to have an impact.

All the childish "Buuuuuuuush" stuff just shows how insecure these people are about who is really responsible for the bulk of our current problems. They want to whitewash history, either because they are inherently dishonest, or simply because it is politically expedient.

As for taking responsibility, I don't recall Bush ever taking responsibility for the worst terror attack on US soil, which occurred under his watch. Republicans bent over backwards to make excuses for him and blame everything on Clinton. Of course, had it been a Democrat 9 months into office and a Republican predecessor, we would have gotten the exact opposite.

Childish but par for the course.

 

[Ninjahedge]

CK, Clinton left warnings about the suspected activities on the desk when he left.

They were ignored and Bush and Co. started ramping up for Iraq. They ten USED 9-11 as a means to get immediate action on a country that had nothing to do with the attacks (and was actually a despotic buffer on the radical elements in the middle east).

Bush was a figurehead that was tooled by two brilliant men (Cheney and Rumsfeld) with questionable motives.

 

[fskimospy]

Based on yyour first link; he states that he inherited from Clinton.
1 year later he made the statement


This is nothing like what Obama has been stating and 3+ years later.

What assurances has Obama issued.
Bush took the situation and got it turned around


Your second link has nothing related to Clinton and talks about 9/11; does not lay any blame.

He repeatedly talked about the economic mess he inherited. As for turning it around, I don't think of a huge housing bubble that almost destroyed the world economy as turning something around.

The second link clearly blames his predecessors for 9/11.

Bush was blaming clinton for his entire presidency. For fun, just Google 'bush blames clinton' and see how many results you get.

 

[kage69]

Based on yyour first link; he states that he inherited from Clinton.
1 year later he made the statement


This is nothing like what Obama has been stating and 3+ years later.

What assurances has Obama issued.
Bush took the situation and got it turned around


Your second link has nothing related to Clinton and talks about 9/11; does not lay any blame.

lol, yeah he sure turned that surplus around didn't he? Turned that Afghanistan situation around too.... to Iraq.

Thank dog we don't have those idiots in the White House anymore.

 

[Ninjahedge]

kage, they weren't all idiots.

Like I said, Rumsfeld and Cheney were VERY smart. Too smart for what they were planning to do.

The only one I feel sorry for is Powell. I do not AGREE with the man on many things, but I had more respect for him than any other on that crew.

 

[etrigan420]

Bush took the situation and got it turned around.

 

[Sonikku]

Point the blame with no solutions.

Obama has had 3+ years to implement something and has not.

Agreed, and Congress Republicans have tried very hard to work with him, but he just won't cooperate. He keeps insisting on trying to care for the sick, poor and elderly that provide no service to the economy whatsoever. If we just disbanded social security, medicare, welfare and food stamps and let nature take it's course, the people that leech off the system and provide nothing in return would gradually go away and we would be able to keep taxes low on the job creators creating all the wealth. (who in turn will rain prosperity on us all if given half a chance) We can't afford to do BOTH people. Obama just doesn't get it.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Soph, we know if we do that that those problems will just disappear and no additional problems would arise.

I mean, look at India! They have no problem with poverty, illness or other overpopulation issues. The poor simply stopped breeding and moved to Pakistan! If you don't love it, leave it, right?

I am sure that the drug cartels would just shrivel up and disappear when there are less people that can afford their wares. I mean, look at New Jack City in the 80s! That's where Chris Rock got his start FCS!

 

[Smoblikat]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/americans-bush-still-more-blame-obama-economy-143913248.html




Looks like Americans aren't all drinking the Republican Kool-Aid...and still have enough common sense to realize that Bush broke the economy...and while O'Bummer is trying to fix it...the Republicans are still saying "NO" to just about everything he proposes...then blame HIM because he's not getting things done.

Well, who controlled senate and the house PLUS the whitehouse for the first two years of the idot.......obamas............presidency? LIBERALS and damn dems, go ahead, find a way to blame bush, conservatives, and the european debt for them not doing anything while they controlled the entire government.

 

[Ausm]

He never proposed anything that was workable.

Even his own party rejected his options.

Obama has acted as a caretaker for 3 years and wants to blame Bush for everything.
He wanted the position of President and failed to lead.

Bush was never pointing fingers at Clinton for setting up the Dot Com bust and enabling the 9/11 attacks.

Bush took what he inherited and developed a working plan to keep going; not spinning his wheels.

Obama is still wringing his hands - he has no clues on how to get this moving. All he is doing is hoping the natural economic cycle will bring the submarine back to the surface. He ignores the fact that he has ballast that can be blown out.

Standard procedure in leadership:
Lead
Follow
Get out of the way

He has not done anything and wants more time.


Standard rule of presidential politics:
Give the person a term to prove themselves
If they prove that they do a good job, continue with another term

If they fail; change drivers

Oh please list the examples.

 

[Ausm]

lol, yeah he sure turned that surplus around didn't he? Turned that Afghanistan situation around too.... to Iraq.

Thank dog we don't have those idiots in the White House anymore.

I almost spit out my coffee when I read that post also my conclusions about him are now justly verified...

 

[Ninjahedge]

Well, who controlled senate and the house PLUS the whitehouse for the first two years of the idot.......obamas............presidency? LIBERALS and damn dems, go ahead, find a way to blame bush, conservatives, and the european debt for them not doing anything while they controlled the entire government.

BS.

You do not seem to like to read things.

Just because a PARTY controls a house does not mean it should all vote in lock-step.

It just shows that the right was more successful at goose-stepping than the left.

 

[tweaker2]

BS.

You do not seem to like to read things.

Just because a PARTY controls a house does not mean it should all vote in lock-step.

It just shows that the right was more successful at goose-stepping than the left.

Add to that the fact that the Repubs don't have a faction of their party like the DINO Blue Dogs the Dems have/had to put up with. Although small in number, they tipped the scale the Repub's way on many key pieces of Dem legislation during their short period of having a "super majority".

 

[Jhhnn]

Bush took the situation and got it turned around

Yeh, by doubling the national debt & fostering the greatest looting spree in the history of finance, embroiling us in two wars while cutting taxes simultaneously. Deficits didn't matter, did they, when it was all about Free Market Neocon wetdreams of world dominance?

People are correct when they blame the Bush Admin for much of our problems, yet utterly naive when they vote for Repubs whose basic vision hasn't changed one whit since that time. If anything, they've doubled down on demagogic wing nuttery & outright obstructionism since losing power. As David Frum offers-

As ever the Message is: Vote Republican, it's too dangerous to have us in opposition

If they can't steer the boat, they'll try to sink it.

 

[cybrsage]

Bush was blaming clinton for his entire presidency. For fun, just Google 'bush blames clinton' and see how many results you get.

Interesting you say that.

"Bush blames Clinton" About 3,360 results (0.15 seconds)

"Obama blames Clinton" About 12,900 results (0.14 seconds)

"Obama blames Bush" About 106,000 results (0.20 seconds)

 

[zsdersw]

A lot of lashing out and gnashing of teeth and it's only mid June. An Obama loss this November is going to be taken very, very hard it appears. Blaming others is pointless this far after the fact. Blaming others is not a sign of maturity. It might play well in progressiveville, but most folks recognize it for what it is and ignore it. It's not how you defend your candidate. But desperate times evidently call for desperate measures.

I know that some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing. It's a human trait. I don't, but that's me. Keeping this in mind, if I chose to enter into this discussion my response to Bush this, Bush that would be one simple word. So?

I expect the leader of what was once the greatest and most powerful country in the world, a country who fed the world, defended the world and a country that was a magnet for those seeking a better life to roll up his sleeves and tackle the problems that face us without whining that his predecessor did this and his predecessor did that and that he also wiped a booger on the bathroom wall. We don't have that leader now - not by a long shot.

I know that many of the people in this country have been dumbed down by our educational system but the transformation is not complete. There are still too many that see this man for what he is. I want my president to act like he's in charge, to exude confidence and to bear the burdens that come with the office. I could write on and on about how Obama does not even come close to being Presidential. All facts too. But it's pointless. It's not going to sway any opinions, of that I'm certain. If you're in love with our first black president, if you just can't vote anything other than Democrat, if you're capable of turning a blind eye to his severe shortcomings or if you're wholly capable of placing blame for a failed Obama presidency on Bush and want four more years of the same, Obama's your man. He'll be blaming Bush through the next four year term too.

I want a grown-up in the White House not a man-child. There's only one choice.


Obama's Big Economy Speech: No Hope, No Change

Yes there is only one choice.. but it doesn't have an R or a D after the name. Since you're a Republican shill I don't suppose you'd agree with that, however.