Americans killing babies by using depleted uranium

[theplanb]

I watched a documentary progaram and it's basically saying...

"They used bombs made of depleted uranium in the gulf war.
Now, there appears lots of deformed babies, cancer patients and mysterious diseases occuring in the uranium contaminated area of Iraq.
And the young kids are the ones most affected by it.
It was first considered as dangerous because of its effect after the war but american military is denying it and claims that it's safe.
Nato used it in the bosnia, and it was pulled out later because of the danger."

Well, I don't know what to make of it.
Maybe there is no point arguiing it since.. well.. they ARE designed to kill people. But the pictures of the deformed babies were too horrendous.

K, I found a link on it so check it out

From the link


<< Though additional studies on depleted uranium's health effects are needed, internalized DU is acknowledged to cause kidney damage, cancers of the lung and bone, non-malignant respiratory disease, skin disorders, neurocognitive disorders, chromosomal damage, and birth defects. >>

 

[Zucchini]

i'm sure in countries like that your at risk from pollution by any industries in the area It could be anything besides the bombs.

 

[Czar]

They also used delpated uranium bombs in Yugoslavia, and even plutonium.

 

[theplanb]

The above article identify 5 point which are..

LESSON 1: Depleted uranium weapons contaminate impact areas with extremely fine radioactive and toxic dust.

LESSON 2: Armed forces are unlikely to be protected from exposure to depleted uranium contamination.

LESSON 3: Local civilian populations are unlikely to be warned when depleted uranium weapons are used - even if depleted uranium contaminates their food or water supplies.

LESSON 4: Depleted uranium weapons are proliferating and are likely to become commonly used in land warfare

LESSON 5: Depleted uranium contamination is unlikely to be cleaned up by victor or vanquished because of the extreme cost and the prospect of further environmental damage

Now, you can cound me out to join any side of army involving the weapon.

 

[IamDavid]

This is yet another stupid documentary trying to smear the US military.. It was war, we kicked there but. If you wanna start talkin about killing babies then lets talk about the war between Iran and Iraq where both sides used chemical weapons time and time again to wipe out entire towns of thousands of people, including plenty of babies.. And also, how do we know our bombs caused this? Maybe we hit one of Suddams chemical weapon plants and it spread chemicals everywhere....


I do not think people should blame others for what happened in war but I do think we should be asking our leaders why we are continuing to bomb Iraq to this day.. We should leave them alone and if they do somthin stupid kill Saddam, not thousand more of his people..

 

[Double Trouble]

Using weapons like that is just a small step removed from using chemical or biological warfare. NATO and it's member nations should make a resolution not to use DU weapons until further research can be done to see how it can be used safely (in terms of protection for both the troops using the weapons and the innocent civilians in areas of use).

 

[Czar]

IamDavid

This is not a lie or anything, when NATO attacked Yugoslavia the US, UK and Italian army's used ammo with delpeted uranium to attack tanks. Years later as in now many many people in Yugoslavia have cancer, way over normal levels. NATO is investigating this now, they knew that the ammo held delpeted uranium but they thought it was safe. Now they have found out that the US army used ammo with plutonium without telling any of the NATO countries, this looks very bad indeed.

 

[IamDavid]

It was war...

So even if this is true what should be done about this?
We should stop using the weapons I do think but as for the past, ya can't undo whats been done..

 

[Czar]

It was a war fought by NATO by NATO rules, the US broke these rules. Using radioactive ammo should be banned and I think it is banned. You cant undo what has been done but you can learn from history and not do it again.

 

[IamDavid]

&quot;It was a war fought by NATO by NATO rules, the US broke these rules&quot;


The US is NATO. Without the US NATO would be nothing so its our rules. It may sound stupid but its true. When was the last time we didn't get our way or NATO go against our wishes.. Maybe twice in the last ten years.... Bu thats for another topic...

I do agree with you about stopping the use of these weapons..

 

[Czar]

It surely sounds extremely stupid and arrogant. The US owes NATO more than billion dollars for &quot;admission fee&quot;, they havent paid for many years. Without the US in NATO then we would have ESB, and now ESB is going to fund its own army so soon NATO will be out.

 

[IamDavid]

The US owing NATO money is like me owing money to myself. And even if that true who cares. Who pays for %75 of the troop deployments around the world? The U.S.even had to send our troops to clean up NATO's backyard in Yugoslavia. Thats like the U.S. getting help from NATO to attack Cuba. I think we've paid plenty.. Maybe all the countries in NATO should just eliminate there armies and pay a policing fee to the U.S..

 

[Double Trouble]

I can always count on someone coming along every now and again to amaze me with their stupidity and arrogance.....

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;t was war, we kicked there but. If you wanna start talkin about killing babies then lets talk about the war between Iran and Iraq where both sides used chemical weapons time and time again to wipe out entire towns of thousands of people, including plenty of babies.. And also, how do we know our bombs caused this? Maybe we hit one of Suddams chemical weapon plants and it spread chemicals everywhere....&quot;

Ah, actually Iran has never used Chemical weapons. Only Iraq used Chemical weapons &amp; they did so only 3 times in the Iran/Iraq war, plus they used it once against a Kurdish village, killing virtually everyone in that village

Actually the vast majority of chemical weapons were used by the British Commonwealth, France, Germany, the US etc in the trenches of WWI, but it wasnt illegal then.

But the fact is 2 wrongs don't make a right. BTW, the American enforced embargo is responsable for a hell of a lot more children in Iraq dieing (400000 over the last 10 years) than any of those Pulverised depleted uranium anti-tank shells were.

 

[IamDavid]

&quot;But the fact is 2 wrongs don't make a right. BTW, the American enforced embargo is responsable for a hell of a lot more children in Iraq dieing (400000 over the last 10 years) than any of those Pulverised depleted uranium anti-tank shells were. &quot;


I agree with this %100 percent. We punish the Iraqi people for having a pathetic leader. Just as we do Cuba. I never could understand why its alright for us to kill thousands thru starvation but we won't kill the one person causing the problem..

 

[Yeeny]

IAmDavid: You bring up a good point, that I have never understood myself. We have a law against killing the leaders of another country. We can slaughter his people, and destroy everything they might have worked for, but the SOB that causes it all gets to live. Just another one of those laws that I never quite understood.

 

[IamDavid]

That is why I agree with Suddam when he says he won the Gulf War.. He did, not his country but he personaly did. His power over the Iraqi people has increased each passing year. To a man like him power is everything and he has all the power so he has everything he wants..

 

[Napalm381]

<< Now they have found out that the US army used ammo with plutonium without telling any of the NATO countries, this looks very bad indeed. >>

Plutonium ammuntion? That's a new one on me...<ahem bullsh!t>

 

[Lily27]

Well one of the main problems with the use of the DU bombs was that it not only affected civilians and troops on the other side. It seemed to have affected NATO's troops as well. There are some soldiers that have had long term affects, unfortunately they were not told about the bombs being used. Several soldiers have gotten cancer, the sad thing is that it has not been proven that the DU attributed to the cause.

one of the soldiers affected


i dont' know about the plutonium thing, i haven't heard anything about it :/

tnx czar i'm reading them now

 

[Czar]

Napalm

Germany's Scharping Criticizes U.S. Over DU Munition
Plutonium Dispute May Cloud Bush's European Debut
Plutonium Row Set to Rock Bush Debut with Europe
German Official Faults US on Uranium
UN: Uranium Traces Found in Weapons

Dont you read the news?

 

[FettsBabe]

The US was not the only country that used uranium. If I remember correctly France and Britain did too, and they support the US. It was against NATO rules, but we were not the only country and all fingers are pointing towards us. If they want to complain about that then I guess they need to complain about us bombing a milk facility (from what Iraq said, the US said it was a military facility). Iraqi tv showed packets of powdered milk all over the place. Who do we belive? Who knows! Its also been stated that we bombed their water facility. Once again, who knows!

War isn't really fought hand to hand anymore, and mistakes will occur and chemicals will be used. Sad but true!
If everyone is concerned about this then why is it so hard to live in peace?

 

[DABANSHEE]

I always thought one got more radiation from watching TV, or sitting in front of the computer, or through air travel, that one could get from those depleted uranium shells, but after hearing about those 6 Italian soldiers who died of Luekemia &amp; the other 30 with cancer, now I'm not so sure.

Has anyone done a comparitive study comparing illnesses (&amp; their rates) of Gulf war &amp; Balken war veterens, with servicemen who stayed on the home front?

 

[rahvin]

Have you ever considered that lighting up 1000 oil wells probably contributed qutie a bit to the cancer rates in Iraq? Have you also considered that the former Yugoslavia is one of the most polluted regions in the world?

<<But the fact is 2 wrongs don't make a right. BTW, the American enforced embargo is responsable for a hell of a lot more children in Iraq dieing (400000 over the last 10 years) than any of those Pulverised depleted uranium anti-tank shells were.>>

No, Saddam refusing to comply with the international arms inspection is killing children. He complies with the inspections and the embargo comes off.

 

[thelanx]

I heard of depleted uranium bullets. I thought they were non radioactive uranium.

 

[Adul]

uranium not being radioactive? yeah right, even depleted it posses a threat to us.