Americans do not want a leftist nation

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

If the dems fvck up the country like the GOP has the past few years, then we can vote them out, too. I guess we just have to keep going and going until we get the right people in there, regardless of party affiliation.

I think the "right people" are going to have to come from a third party.

Which of course brings its own set of problems.

Like what exactly?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Who said anything about religion? But just to refresh your memory, this country was founded on Christian principles.

That were deliberately left out of the constitution and later bill of rights. They left Europe to escape religious persecution and therefore wanted religion to be completely separate from the government.

Most of this country IS liberal. Most people want progression. That is why we no longer have slaves, there are inter-racial marriages, women can vote, and women have high ranking jobs now.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The Dems just wish we had never been formed, but were instead still under Britian rule. High taxes if you make money, free living if you dont. Nanny state etc etc.

Seems to me Britian would be the perfect place for the Dems, or maybe Canada.

And I dont mean that in the sense of "Get out you stinkin Dems!", but truly I think Canada or Britian have a social model favored by the Dems. More government, more socialized services, higher tax rates.

Which is unfortunate, because we fought pretty hard to NOT follow that road.

That fight was a long time ago. Since then all our government has done is grow bigger.

Free handouts are something almost everyone would vote for so long as they were advertised correctly. This is why the Republican Party is in jeopardy. The people today can?t respect the basic tenants of liberty, regardless of any party they belong to. After that, the only alternative is a big authoritarian government that dictates to us.

The last 12 years were a fluke, the ebbing and flowing of the natural tide against a much larger movement that has been consistent since the beginning of this country.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Ah! Once again you bring your incredible knowledge to bear against me.
I admit defeat Oh Mighty Warrior Vet Don. Your right, I'm wrong, long live Democrats.

Well, are you saying that's what the Revolution was about, or not?

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Wapp
What's with this whole "OMG THE DEMS ARE GOING TO MAKE US ALL HIPPY LIBERALS" state of mind? The dems that were elected aren't super leftists. Look at Jim Webb, the dude is a former republican with moderate ideals. I don't see him voting with crazy liberal, tax raising bills. So just chill out and stop jumping to conclusions.

That, in a nutshell, is what repub's like the OP(?) fail to realize. This wasn't a call for a pendulum swing to the far left. It was a call to swing back to the middle from the far right.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

I have always been left of center. So go fusk yourself OP.

Signed: Native born in Brooklyn, NY.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: mfs378This election was not a choice of ideas or ideology. It was a choice between the incompetent and corrupt and some fresh blood, and common sense prevailed.

I'll buy the "fresh blood" part, but the jury is still out on the
"common sense" portion... and it won't be in until the Dems actually accomplish something.

 

[dmw16]

The people didnt seem to want the nation the GOP was building either, otherwise they'd have voted differently. I don't really understand why everyone assumes that every dem is a hippy. I consider myself a mix between the 2 parties. Truth be told, if the republicans were still TRUE republicans (small government, states rights, self determination) I'd probably have voted that way. Oh well, Im getting on a rant.

But basically, the OP's comment is really, well, stupid. The people voted in the "leftist dems" so I guess they did want them, didnt they?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

Personally, as much as I can't stand Bush, voted for Democrats, and hate current Republcians, I definitely agree with your statement.

However, the current crop of Republcians have been far more left than any of the current democrats.

It comes down to that the Republican party traded in it's position of fiscal responsability, small government, state rights, and individual privacy, for power. They became far more socialist/left in every behavior. While doing so they essentially gave Bush a blank check to do whatever he wanted, because it helped them keep power.

Nobody wants a leftist government. However, the one we just kicked out was much worse than the one we are getting in, hopefully. If not, then the Republicans can hopefully learn a lesson and come back to us with more than hog-wild spending, invasion of privacy, unchecked executive, and corruption.

 

[Vic]

"Leftist dems" didn't make the difference in the election. "Centrist dems" did. The Dems won by catering to the middle, not to their left-wing'ed radicals that would vote for them regardless. If the Pubs had been a little quicker on moving to the middle, instead of being stuck to following Bush, they might have won instead.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic
"Leftist dems" didn't make the difference in the election. "Centrist dems" did. The Dems won by catering to the middle, not to their left-wing'ed radicals that would vote for them regardless. If the Pubs had been a little quicker on moving to the middle, instead of being stuck to following Bush, they might have won instead.

spin spin spin

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic
"Leftist dems" didn't make the difference in the election. "Centrist dems" did. The Dems won by catering to the middle, not to their left-wing'ed radicals that would vote for them regardless. If the Pubs had been a little quicker on moving to the middle, instead of being stuck to following Bush, they might have won instead.

spin spin spin

Yep, I'm spinnin' the words right out of Pelosi's mouth

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic
"Leftist dems" didn't make the difference in the election. "Centrist dems" did. The Dems won by catering to the middle, not to their left-wing'ed radicals that would vote for them regardless. If the Pubs had been a little quicker on moving to the middle, instead of being stuck to following Bush, they might have won instead.

spin spin spin

Yep, I'm spinnin' the words right out of Pelosi's mouth

Why do you hate America?

 

[theeedude]

America wants a Clintonian nation. Down the middle. Not a party that only panders to its base. That's why Dems won. They went after the moderates and independents that the Reps abandoned.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
America wants a Clintonian nation. Down the middle. Not a party that only panders to its base. That's why Dems won. They went after the moderates and independents that the Reps abandoned.

Bingo! I loved Clinton. Voted for him both times.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

If the dems fvck up the country like the GOP has the past few years, then we can vote them out, too. I guess we just have to keep going and going until we get the right people in there, regardless of party affiliation.

I think the "right people" are going to have to come from a third party.

Which of course brings its own set of problems.

Like what exactly?

First and foremost is FINDING someone. Secondly is getting them actually elected.

Then comes the hard part, making worthwile meaningful changes. Cut military? Piss of the repubs. Cut welfare? Piss of the dems. Raise taxes? Piss of everyone.

Pick your poison, you NEED to do a bit of all of it to really get a good budget laid out. And that doesnt even go into issues of immigration, border security, world politics, medical expenses and plans etc etc etc.

 

[Medellon]

I am not a regular poster on this forum but the few times I do post it seems a vast majority of people here are very liberal and not centrist at all like most state. Any mention of the word God or religion sends people into a frenzy! It seems that most people here actually believe living in a socialistic society is ideal.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

yes they do, thats why they accomplish 70% of what they do through liberal judges.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

yes they do, thats why they accomplish 70% of what they do through liberal judges.

Then why the resounding asskicking in the Clinton years?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: senseamp
America wants a Clintonian nation. Down the middle. Not a party that only panders to its base. That's why Dems won. They went after the moderates and independents that the Reps abandoned.

:Q
:laugh:
:thumbsdown:

let me grab my sax, the nearest woman, and the deed to whitewater...were going to clintonland.

 

[3chordcharlie]

It's a good thing the Democrats aren't a remotely leftist party then, isn't it...

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Medellon
This election was won by the democrats simply because of people's dislike of Bush, the handling of the Iraqi War, and recent scandals. The democrats provided no agenda nor plan on what they are going to do to better this country. Their platform was basically, "We are not Bush and if you dislike him, vote for us." I don't think the democrats realize that the majority of people in this country don't want a leftist nation with liberal values, they just wanted to weaken Bush. Unfortunately, they now will have to live with their choice.

yes they do, thats why they accomplish 70% of what they do through liberal judges.

Then why the resounding asskicking in the Clinton years?

Same reason as this year people were not feeling the Job was getting done.
Same reason the dems were thrown out after the clinton years.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I am not a regular poster on this forum but the few times I do post it seems a vast majority of people here are very liberal and not centrist at all like most state. Any mention of the word God or religion sends people into a frenzy! It seems that most people here actually believe living in a socialistic society is ideal.

Being a centrist doesn't mean that you are have to compromise on EVERY issue. Especially issues that directly contradict the constitution.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Wait, let me get this right...you Republicans are WHINING? After all the condemnation of "whining" by the DEMs for the past 6 years because we weren't willing to let "God's Man" dismantled our rights and destroyed our standing as a global superpower?

Now you're whining, and the DEMs haven't even had a chance to do anything? Can you shut up for like 5 minutes to see what the new House and Senate do?

Losers...welcome to the Last Six Years Club, how you feelin'?

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
Wait, let me get this right...you Republicans are WHINING? After all the condemnation of "whining" by the DEMs for the past 6 years because we weren't willing to let "God's Man" dismantled our rights and destroyed our standing as a global superpower?

Now you're whining, and the DEMs haven't even had a chance to do anything? Can you shut up for like 5 minutes to see what the new House and Senate do?

Losers...welcome to the Last Six Years Club, how you feelin'?

Its so refreshing to be on top for a change.

And what exactly makes you think the Democrats are leftist...at all? The Democrats are moderate, Republicans are conservative, and all the actual liberals in America are unrepresented by one party. Generally they'll vote Dem unless there's a better candidate, but Dems don't answer to liberals in America, they answer to the middle. It's frustrating for me as a liberal not to have a national party working in my interest, but I can swallow the Democrats in charge as long as the Republicans aren't gutting the country anymore.