Americans are trying to escape the news now

[Noah Abrams]

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Yes I think it is quite understandable. I sent someone the audio clip of the children. Later on asked about it, and she said no, she deliberately did not listen to it because it would have been very hard to do. It was very hard for me to listen to it too, just like it was for millions others. Perhaps even worse was the part of that %$@#% guard joking about crying children.

Of course our govt has been committing much worse atrocities on much bigger scales (abroad) for the longest time. But they remain hidden from the public view. But now some tiny glimpses of the reality have started to surface within America and people are finding it hard to come to terms with the ugliness behind the facade.

So as the news story illustrates, there is a longing for love now....so maybe something good is coming out of this after all.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think roughly one third of the country has been escaping real news for decades now.

 

[jackstar7]

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Yes I think it is quite understandable. I sent someone the audio clip of the children. Later on asked about it, and she said no, she deliberately did not listen to it because it would have been very hard to do. It was very hard for me to listen to it too, just like it was for millions others. Perhaps even worse was the part of that %$@#% guard joking about crying children.

Of course our govt has been committing much worse atrocities on much bigger scales (abroad) for the longest time. But they remain hidden from the public view. But now some tiny glimpses of the reality have started to surface within America and people are finding it hard to come to terms with the ugliness behind the facade.

So as the news story illustrates, there is a longing for love now....so maybe something good is coming out of this after all.

Trump's efforts have been to exhaust his opposition.

It won't work.

"Longing for love?" I think there are a lot of assholes who don't understand why their assholery has brought so much disdain down on them. Those people need to put in some effort towards joining society and demonstrating respect for others.

There are people defending separating families and then complaining that they are the oppressed ones. They can fuck all the way off.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Trump's efforts have been to exhaust his opposition.

It won't work.

"Longing for love?" I think there are a lot of assholes who don't understand why their assholery has brought so much disdain down on them. Those people need to put in some effort towards joining society and demonstrating respect for others.

There are people defending separating families and then complaining that they are the oppressed ones. They can fuck all the way off.

I think this kind of intense anger is what is wearing people off. Even righteous anger becomes draining

 

[Moonbeam]

What I notice is that the more success Trump has in destroying law and order, the more right wing fascists who self exiled themselves from the forum, having found they made no headway in this forum and were endlessly humiliated return to gloat. Conservative thinking as I see it is filled with the need to hurt. Their lives revolve around sticking it to those they have been given permission to hate by the masters their inner emptiness has created the need to appoint for enslavement. To hate yourself is to wish everybody to die while remaining totally unconscious of it. There will be no awakening sense of love without pity for the self and that will require the experience of shame, not the need to shame.

 

[cytg111]

I have, had, a friend that turned hard right.. moooslims coming to get him and islamify the planet.. gotta start building them camps.. Thing is when pressed on the issues his response would be something like "I dont know, I dont follow the news anymore, too much bad news, makes me unhappy".. So where does he get his views? A racist dad? Racist hostile working envorinment? Yup. I dont follow the news, dont know what I am talking about, truth, fact, fiction but I know moooslims are out to get me... I suppose some people reach their information limit and then just decides to settle on some easy facts.. Thats what it looks like to me.. Giving up and throwing the dice.

 

[jackstar7]

I think this kind of intense anger is what is wearing people off. Even righteous anger becomes draining

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck off.

#IDGT

 

[Noah Abrams]

Conservative thinking as I see it is filled with the need to hurt. Their lives revolve around sticking it to those they have been given permission to hate by the masters their inner emptiness has created the need to appoint for enslavement. To hate yourself is to wish everybody to die while remaining totally unconscious of it.

I think I agree with the initial part, though I’m not sure if conservative is the right word or the current right wing fascists.

But regardless of that, I thought you believed liberals to have unconscious self hatred?

 

[jackstar7]

I think I agree with the initial part, though I’m not sure if conservative is the right word or the current right wing fascists.

But regardless of that, I thought you believed liberals to have unconscious self hatred?

Everyone has self-hatred. Liberals are more inclined to be aware of it. It's why liberals aren't afraid of therapy, for one thing.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think this kind of intense anger is what is wearing people off. Even righteous anger becomes draining

Ah but it is maintained best by those most ego identified with their own personal cows such that in a country like North Korea, it can take generations of freshly born children to acquire enough fresh new outrage at the injustice in their society to change it. You can destroy the yearning of any one human soul’s hope for justice, but you can’t erase the longing for justice from the human genome. We are born with the potential to become what we can’t imagine as anything short of gods. But because of competition and the fear we ourselves don’t have what it takes we insure nobody else does either.

 

[SP33Demon]

Trump's efforts have been to exhaust his opposition.

It won't work.

"Longing for love?" I think there are a lot of assholes who don't understand why their assholery has brought so much disdain down on them. Those people need to put in some effort towards joining society and demonstrating respect for others.

There are people defending separating families and then complaining that they are the oppressed ones. They can fuck all the way off.

It's already working. Look at how easy it was to change the narrative with Melania's triggerjacket. Trump has been playing/trolling them like a fiddle from day 1 and his war against the media is now making the masses indifferent to the news regardless if it's factual or biased. He can change any narrative he doesn't like by doing something outrageous and the media will reset the news cycle like a dog seeing a squirrel. Trump uses the media to exhaust you, and then finishes you Mortal Kombat style by putting money in your pocket (jobs, low unemployment, tax cuts). It's a strategy I believe historians will be following for decades after his 2 term reign, and it's the same strategy Jesus used. Say something new to get hype, and then kill them with love. It's win-win.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Ah but it is maintained best by those most ego identified with their own personal cows such that in a country like North Korea, it can take generations of freshly born children to acquire enough fresh new outrage at the injustice in their society to change it. You can destroy the yearning of any one human soul’s hope for justice, but you can’t erase the longing for justice from the human genome. We are born with the potential to become what we can’t imagine as anything short of gods. But because of competition and the fear we ourselves don’t have what it takes we insure nobody else does either.

I admit I’ve battled with inner jealousy. Not necessarily of material nature like a lot of us have in our society. But of other things I do not have and probably never will. So that feeling of jealousy, it is ugly.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everyone has self-hatred. Liberals are more inclined to be aware of it. It's why liberals aren't afraid of therapy, for one thing.

This is a big part of the answer to Noah’s question. I would add that self hate, as I have also said many times, manifests in two ways, Stockholm syndrome and sympathy for the victim depending on the particulars of the personal evolution of one’s need for ego identification.

Liberals invented and continue to evolve an understanding of psychotherapy, but in my opinion most of it involves a similar desire as in conservatives to become better at being sick, to analyze from a distance what motivates others rather than actually feel that self hate, to relive it. But the more onion skins one peals away, the greater the chance of accidental ego death. To explore unconscious content by allowing oneself to feel what one is feeling can lead one deeper and deeper back to wher what we feel becomes what we felt. To touch that is to remember what we were before we were made to feel worthless, a self whole and undivided.

 

[SP33Demon]

Everyone has self-hatred. Liberals are more inclined to be aware of it. It's why liberals aren't afraid of therapy, for one thing.

I respectfully disagree. If they were more aware of it, why are they less tolerant of others' views? Recent studies (like the Dartmouth one linked below) show that conservatives are much more tolerant of liberals' views than vice versa.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/15909/dartmouth-study-highlights-intolerance-and-james-barrett

In a question gauging students' tolerance of opposing views, Dartmouth asked students how "comfortable" they would be having a roommate of "opposing political views to your own." Out of the three political affiliations, the students who identified as Democrats were by far the least tolerant, with a plurality of 45 percent saying they would be "uncomfortable," 39 percent saying they would be "comfortable" and 16 percent answering "neither."

Republicans were the most tolerant of the three groups, 69 percent saying they would be comfortable rooming with someone with opposing political views, only 12 percent saying they would be uncomfortable and 19 percent saying neither. Independents were slightly less tolerant than Republicans, 61 percent saying they'd be comfortable, 16 percent uncomfortable and 22 percent saying neither.

I'm all for opposing viewpoints and debating the merits of each. What I'm not for is the complete lack of respect and shutdown of communication that some Democrats feel the need to express. What is more conducive to swaying someone to your viewpoint: Debating them on what they believe, or calling them a $#@!!# off the bat? Assuming someone is a $#@!!# right off the bat before getting to know them show a lack of intellect which includes "awareness of self-hatred". When you are aware of what you hate, you are comfortable confronting it and even living with it as a roommate.

Anecdotally I have facebook friends of all political spectrums, the only ones I see who are unfriending others are Dems. None of my Repub friends are getting triggered enough to unfriend anyone. I tolerate a lot of my wife's weirdo Dem friends and that gives me a fresh outlook into their minds and how they think. That is much more valuable to me than just avoiding them and unfriending them on social media, many often can empathize with my viewpoints if we chat for a bit.

 

[Moonbeam]

I admit I’ve battled with inner jealousy. Not necessarily of material nature like a lot of us have in our society. But of other things I do not have and probably never will. So that feeling of jealousy, it is ugly.

You aren’t battling jealousy as such but the feeling that you are worthless to feel it. We were told we were worthless because those who raised us could not face how worthless they felt in giving us real love. Children are born emotionally alive to emotionally dead parents. They can’t stand being reminded of their emptiness and they call us things like selfish or jealous for attention to silence our need for it.

 

[Jaskalas]

But now some tiny glimpses of the reality have started to surface within America and people are finding it hard to come to terms with the ugliness behind the facade.

No, it has to do with the 24/7 news cycle and social media.

You realize, as horrible as the 2016 election was... it's a nightmare that NEVER stopped. It's still repeating itself inside people's heads. Without a space to rest from politics and threats, the human mind will not just suffer but become diseased. People lose their sanity if the physical mechanism of THREAT THREAT THREAT is constantly ringing inside their heads. All because they're too ignorant to tune out the noise of modern communications.

Used to be that interaction existed at a much slower pace, with far fewer people, and largely by choice. Rather than the phone next to you beeping every few seconds. The brain responds to political differences as a physical threat. Thinking about it is no better for your mental state than being physically threatened. Our society has placed itself in that constant state of panic for years already.

People need a break from the insanity before they have a nervous breakdown.

 

[SP33Demon]

No, it has to do with the 24/7 news cycle and social media.

You realize, as horrible as the 2016 election was... it's a nightmare that NEVER stopped. It's still repeating itself inside people's heads. Without a space to rest from politics and threats, the human mind will not just suffer but become diseased. People lose their sanity if the physical mechanism of THREAT THREAT THREAT is constantly ringing inside their heads. All because they're too ignorant to tune out the noise of modern communications.

Used to be that interaction existed at a much slower pace, with far fewer people, and largely by choice. Rather than the phone next to you beeping every few seconds. The brain responds to political differences as a physical threat. Thinking about it is no better for your mental state than being physically threatened. Our society has placed itself in that constant state of panic for years already.

People need a break from the insanity before they have a nervous breakdown.

Good point Jasky. Interesting that they only surveyed liberals in that study. I'd be willing to bet that there would be less activity in the brain's threat center (amygdala) for conservatives, especially in light of the new Dartmouth study that conservative college kids are more tolerant of liberals than vice versa. I'm guessing that conservatives don't really view discourse as a threat since we are wired to view other things more threateningly, like house intruders, a car not driving straight on a Saturday night, or the distant roar of a mountain lion in the canyon.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck off.

#IDGT

It's that Slavic melancholy.

 

[Noah Abrams]

To explore unconscious content by allowing oneself to feel what one is feeling can lead one deeper and deeper back to wher what we feel becomes what we felt. .

Can you kindly correct the last line above? I want to understand what you’re saying.

What do you mean what we feel becomes what we feel? Is everything our perception?

 

[Noah Abrams]

I have, had, a friend that turned hard right.. moooslims coming to get him and islamify the planet.. gotta start building them camps.. Thing is when pressed on the issues his response would be something like "I dont know, I dont follow the news anymore, too much bad news, makes me unhappy".. So where does he get his views? A racist dad? Racist hostile working envorinment? Yup. I dont follow the news, dont know what I am talking about, truth, fact, fiction but I know moooslims are out to get me... I suppose some people reach their information limit and then just decides to settle on some easy facts.. Thats what it looks like to me.. Giving up and throwing the dice.

This is interesting. I would like to add that while the environment would have affected him, he would have become like this without it too. The heart that seeks to hate will find hate.

Back in middle and high school there was this guy who was always suspicious of anyone who did any good to him. He was always like, what is the motive of this person? Why did he do that? We used to kinda make fun of it all but I think I now understand it more.

 

[Moonbeam]

Can you kindly correct the last line above? I want to understand what you’re saying.

What do you mean what we feel becomes what we feel? Is everything our perception?

We see through the colored lenses of unconscious bias, sometimes called the commanding self, or our 1000 pounds of cabbage, but what I amthaking about here is more this:

Some of us feel an itch, like Neo and his guestion, what is the matrix. This is beautifully expressed, I think, by the analogy of a plaint played on a reed flute as the longing of the reed for its osier bed. This feeling of something lost, something missing in life, a sense of separation. It is expressed also in the story of the princess and the pea, a person of such sensitivity to this wrongness that a pea under 39 mattresses disturbs her ability to sleep.

You described some of this earlier I think today as alienation or loneliness, a feeling of disconnection.

I see this in reference to psychotherapy as pursued often due to a feeling of depression, an amorphous and dulled sense of foreboding. In a therapeutic setting this feeling can lead into the experience of sadness, a more alive feeling which when indulged can lead to the expression of anger and rage, feelings repressed and hidden by self pity. Allowing anger out can lead to true rage and fury which if manifested in a therapeutic setting will awaken the more and more original first experiences of it as memory. We can call this reliving traumatic experiences. The rage released and consciously experienced leads to real self understanding, the elimination or shrinkage of feelings that that formerly drove unconscious behavior. It also opens the door to real self loving in the fully alive feeling of grief, which is the ending of self imprissonment and the return of being joy. Did we but suffer we would not suffer because to feel what we really feel is to heal.

Our conditioning was to never ever express what we feel, that that is what it means to be evil. This is all alluded to and analogized is stories of the hero’s journey in myth and legend. Archetypes and all that stuff.

 

[Greenman]

I think this kind of intense anger is what is wearing people off. Even righteous anger becomes draining

It's to much effort to maintain, and clouds your thinking. Good decisions aren't made in rage, logical ideas don't come from rage. Some anger can help channel your energy, make you focus on a problem or issue. Rage just makes you blind, deaf, and dumb as a bag of hammers.

 

[dainthomas]

I respectfully disagree. If they were more aware of it, why are they less tolerant of others' views? Recent studies (like the Dartmouth one linked below) show that conservatives are much more tolerant of liberals' views than vice versa.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/15909/dartmouth-study-highlights-intolerance-and-james-barrett



I'm all for opposing viewpoints and debating the merits of each. What I'm not for is the complete lack of respect and shutdown of communication that some Democrats feel the need to express. What is more conducive to swaying someone to your viewpoint: Debating them on what they believe, or calling them a $#@!!# off the bat? Assuming someone is a $#@!!# right off the bat before getting to know them show a lack of intellect which includes "awareness of self-hatred". When you are aware of what you hate, you are comfortable confronting it and even living with it as a roommate.

Anecdotally I have facebook friends of all political spectrums, the only ones I see who are unfriending others are Dems. None of my Repub friends are getting triggered enough to unfriend anyone. I tolerate a lot of my wife's weirdo Dem friends and that gives me a fresh outlook into their minds and how they think. That is much more valuable to me than just avoiding them and unfriending them on social media, many often can empathize with my viewpoints if we chat for a bit.

I followed both Adam Baldwin and James Woods on tweeter to keep a pulse on what conservatives think. And also I'm a fan of Baldwin. They both blocked me for fairly mild responses to some of their viewpoints. I was especially surprised to find out Baldwin was such a snowflake.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Guys, a humble request. Can we please keep liberal vs conservative out of this thread? This is the very kind of weariness this thread is about. Thank you so much

 

[jackstar7]

Guys, a humble request. Can we please keep liberal vs conservative out of this thread? This is the very kind of weariness this thread is about. Thank you so much

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck off, bubble dweller.