American student finds GPS tracker stuck to car, FBI reclaims its 'federal property'

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alkemyst

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we understand what you're saying. you are saying that the patriot act gives them the right (or assumed right) to do whatever they want. the problem is, you have nothing to back up that this would actually happen. i certainly believe that the government would do what they want, and find a reason to claim it as legal. the point (we?) they are trying to make is that you can't point out anything that says it is illegal to remove a foreign object from your car and dispose of it, and you are just screaming about things that happen in movies that may or may not happen in real life.

all of that said, i would not dispose of it and hope things turn out of the best, because i am not retarded. however, i have no reason to be tracked, and if they did it anyway, they would become bored in about a day of my car going from home to the gym to car pool.

Sounds really romantic and baller to just find a device on your car and simply throw it away.

In reality most would be in a panic and calling their local police department, news, etc.

So let's be real here.

The Patriot Act has been used and also on the record now as being abused. That's the facts of it.
 

MotionMan

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Sounds really romantic and baller to just find a device on your car and simply throw it away.

In reality most would be in a panic and calling their local police department, news, etc.

So let's be real here.

The Patriot Act has been used and also on the record now as being abused. That's the facts of it.

Again, that was never the question asked of you, but since you have decided to completely ignore the question at least 5 times, I will stop asking it and will simply assume that you cannot backup your original assertion.

Would now be a good time to ask you about 9/11, JFK and Area 51? j/k

MotionMan
 

Train

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Sounds really romantic and baller to just find a device on your car and simply throw it away.

In reality most would be in a panic and calling their local police department, news, etc.

So let's be real here.
You mean like the guy in the OP?

What other instances have people found these on their car and panicked? Can you even find one? No? Didnt think so.

The Patriot Act has been used and also on the record now as being abused. That's the facts of it.

Theres a big leap from "obtaining personal information" to making someone disapear.

A BIG leap. But I guess a whackjob like you could make it.
 

alkemyst

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You mean like the guy in the OP?

What other instances have people found these on their car and panicked? Can you even find one? No? Didnt think so.



Theres a big leap from "obtaining personal information" to making someone disapear.

A BIG leap. But I guess a whackjob like you could make it.

Well let's be honest here. Most in their entire lives and the lives of their family have never been targeted by the 'feds'.

First, I really doubt most of our readers would attempt to remove such a device themselves. The would intend panic once it was removed if not already and found to be a tracking device.

You are the one that's a whackjob if you think there have not been high collateral targets that have not been made to disappear and that the legality of that a lesser risk if found out about.
 

RelaxTheMind

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Sounds really romantic and baller to just find a device on your car and simply throw it away.

In reality most would be in a panic and calling their local police department, news, etc.

So let's be real here.

The Patriot Act has been used and also on the record now as being abused. That's the facts of it.

Id like to see them invoke the patriot act on several "wrong" people. you would be surprised on how powerless the government would be trying to cover up retards abusing it.

the agent/agents responsible for putting a said device on someones vehicle would be on the chopping block way before a civ had some patriot act was invoked.
 

MotionMan

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You are the one that's a whackjob if you think there have not been high collateral targets that have not been made to disappear and that the legality of that a lesser risk if found out about.

Who?

And what in the heck does that have to do with the legality of removing an unknown item from your car and disposing of it?

MotionMan
 

alkemyst

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Id like to see them invoke the patriot act on several "wrong" people. you would be surprised on how powerless the government would be trying to cover up retards abusing it.

the agent/agents responsible for putting a said device on someones vehicle would be on the chopping block way before a civ had some patriot act was invoked.

Well the problem is finding out first who put the device on the vehicle and then who.

Good luck with that. I am sure most think you can just go to the local PD and they can call up someone that has the directory.
 

MotionMan

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Wow, so the Patriot Act is just a conspiracy to you?

It's a real deal, I hope as an 'attorney' you realize that.

I am an attorney, not an 'attorney'.

Remember, just because you're paranoid does not meant they are not out to get you!!!

MotionMan
 

RelaxTheMind

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Well the problem is finding out first who put the device on the vehicle and then who.

Good luck with that. I am sure most think you can just go to the local PD and they can call up someone that has the directory.

i live between a federal building, the naval shipyard and the FBI headquarters. its easier to flag down SS than it is a cop around here.

For anything suspicious you are technically supposed to just notify local pd and make it their problem.
 

alkemyst

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I am an attorney, not an 'attorney'.

Remember, just because you're paranoid does not meant they are not out to get you!!!

MotionMan

I guess 'doctors' are all doctors.

No paranoia here. Like I said most will will never need to worry about being a target nor their future relatives.

However; I guess you really feel yourself would just find some device attached to your car and think nothing of simply getting rid of it and going about your day.

That's laughable and truly ignorant/naive.
 

MotionMan

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I guess 'doctors' are all doctors.

No paranoia here. Like I said most will will never need to worry about being a target nor their future relatives.

However; I guess you really feel yourself would just find some device attached to your car and think nothing of simply getting rid of it and going about your day.

That's laughable and truly ignorant/naive.

I do not know about 'doctors' or doctors, but I know that I have earned the right to call myself an attorney without any quotes, apostrophes or qualifications of the term.

I absolutely never said that I would get rid of it without further thought. However, YOU are the one that implied that it was illegal to dispose of an unknown item found on your car. YOU have been asked to back that up and YOU CANNOT.

THAT is laughable and sad at the same time.

MotionMan
 

alkemyst

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The point was you seem to be expert in all law here. Not only do most attorneys avoid online advice, those that do really try to stick to and identify their field.

I never stated it was illegal, I don't know how many times I need to repeat that.

I said getting rid of it would be the least of one's worries and if needed (since they were being tracked anyway)...it'd be easy to throw out a terrorist label and use the Patriot Act.
 

erikistired

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Sounds really romantic and baller to just find a device on your car and simply throw it away.

In reality most would be in a panic and calling their local police department, news, etc.

So let's be real here.

The Patriot Act has been used and also on the record now as being abused. That's the facts of it.

where did i say that i would take it off and throw it away? the only one trying to showboat here is you, because once again you said something totally ridiculous, and when 20 people questioned you about it, you went off on some other tangent trying to deflect your stupidity.

why would most here be in a panic? i would guess most here would be like "wtf is this thing?" and contact the cops to see if someone was fucking with them. i'm guessing most people wouldn't even know what the hell it was.
 

alkemyst

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where did i say that i would take it off and throw it away? the only one trying to showboat here is you, because once again you said something totally ridiculous, and when 20 people questioned you about it, you went off on some other tangent trying to deflect your stupidity.

why would most here be in a panic? i would guess most here would be like "wtf is this thing?" and contact the cops to see if someone was fucking with them. i'm guessing most people wouldn't even know what the hell it was.

take a chill pill dude, I am sure you think you'd just throw a jumping side falcon punch at the first fed that tried to take you down and run to CNN to tell the world.
 

erikistired

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I never stated it was illegal, I don't know how many times I need to repeat that.

I said getting rid of it would be the least of one's worries and if needed (since they were being tracked anyway)...it'd be easy to throw out a terrorist label and use the Patriot Act.

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If it is attached to My Car it is My Property.

Not when they invoke the Patriot Act.

1. You find an unknown something attached to your car.
2. You remove it and it is not labeled.
3. You toss it break it or just dispose of it.
4. How can they hold you accountable for it?

No laws that I can think of. If you can quote a specific ( other than your opinion ) lets see a link.

I think there is a lot more to this than has been released to the public. What say you?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE PATRIOT ACT?

I don't think you do.

herp derp.
 

alkemyst

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right...remove device. They declare you a terrorist and now your ass, your car, your home and your falcon punch are theirs.

Do not pass go.

The problem is you are thinking in terms of whateve insignificant life you have overall to the big picture.

Do you really think you are right in that if someone in power wanted to track you, you'd have the whole situation resolved throwing the device away?

Do you still believe if you are falling you can jump at the last minute to save yourself?
 

MotionMan

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The point was you seem to be expert in all law here. Not only do most attorneys avoid online advice, those that do really try to stick to and identify their field.

I do not need to qualify my knowledge of the law to you (or anyone). Assume that I know what I am talking about unless you can prove me wrong (which you cannot because I only talk of what I know).

I never stated it was illegal, I don't know how many times I need to repeat that.

What you said was that, if an item is attached to a car it is not the car owners property when "they" invoke the Patriot Act.

You are now admitting that is an incorrect statement?

MotionMan
 

alkemyst

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No (and you'd think an attorney would understand this), I said:

1) once you remove it

2) they could invoke the Patriot Act

3) then it's all their property.

So you are free to remove this device you are so blindly defending...legally no harm, no foul.

Yet, since one was tracking you...if they wanted chances are the next step would be simply declare they have enough evidence and impound your ass, your gps, your car.

You don't pass go, I don't even think you are owed a phone call.
 

MotionMan

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No (and you'd think an attorney would understand this), I said:

1) once you remove it

2) they could invoke the Patriot Act

3) then it's all their property.

So you are free to remove this device you are so blindly defending...legally no harm, no foul.

Yet, since one was tracking you...if they wanted chances are the next step would be simply declare they have enough evidence and impound your ass, your gps, your car.

You don't pass go, I don't even think you are owed a phone call.

What you said was (and you would think you could understand your own posts):

Originally Posted by pcgeek11
If it is attached to My Car it is My Property.

Not when they invoke the Patriot Act.

Let me dumb that down for you:

P: It is my property.
A: No, it's not (based on the Patriot Act).

MotionMan
 

alkemyst

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What you said was (and you would think you could understand your own posts):



Let me dumb that down for you:

P: It is my property.
A: No, it's not (based on the Patriot Act).

MotionMan

I said not AFTER they invoked the Patriot Act.

You quoted that.

So let me dumb it down for you.

1) Some agency decides to track you...they place a GPS on your car
2) you find it..."OH NOES, I JUST THROW IT AWAY!" muahahaha FUUUUUUU
3) Some agency doesn't like that you defyed their attempt to track you. Declare you a terrorist (which they are halfway there since they had some reason to track you).
4) Now you, your car, and the device are their property.

So that's the easy to follow guide. And no, despite the stories told...no one is going to just leave such a device attached, no one is going to just remove it and ignore the fact that it was there, and in the end the device itself is really not the big picture of what's going on.

You are now arguing like a child trying to tell his mommy the sky is really green and the grass blue and thinks he is right because he got all his friends to agree.