American Nazi Party registers first Washington lobbyist

[gevorg]

too late, I'm already a member of American Pirate Party

 

[Dari]

Democrat party? Maybe the Klan was very big amongst southern democrats and the American NAZI movement has strong collectivist views that are socialist in nature and design. However both groups are anathema to those who value personal indivdual freedoms more so then they value the whims and needs of the majority/mob who scream, yell and threaten the loudest to get their way and use the federal government to force their agendas.

Nice try...

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You're just trying to lump every political idea that you don't like (read: anything other than American libertarianism) into the same category. Two things that are different are not the same merely because you say they are. Yeah, neither is the anarcho-capitalism that American conservatives say they desire. There, however, the similarities between the two end. The notion that Nazism was "socialism" is a canard.

I'm sorry if you cannot stomach the realities of just how and why Nazism is part of the collectivist family tree of political ideologies. However Nazism is a brother to Fascism and a cousin to the overall socialist movements linked by the collectivist tree of ideologies that developed in Europe. All of which share common strands of ancestry and influence which seek/sought to derail and usurp Classical Liberalism in favor of new ideologies which bestow governments greater and in some cases absolute power over individuals in order to achieve their own movement's political agendas.

The Nazis not only despised socialists, they despised liberals more than anything. One of the first things they did while in power was disband all the trade unions. A modern conservatives wet dream.

This has very little baring on the actual point I stated. In addition I could just as easly point out that socialist did not have any great love for communist either just as the Nazis and Fascist movements loathed both groups and vice versus along with any other political ideology that stood at odds with their own world views.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Nice try...

Horrible reply.

 

[Zebo]

Attention! Folk who hate themselves need attention to flatter their egos and since they have never known positive loving attention they seek the attention of hate. It at least makes them feel alive even though they are actually emotionally dead.

You need to start a religion moonie. Might be first one worth paying for.

 

[Sinsear]

Is Ron Paul the first on line to meet with this guy?

 

[Greenman]

You need to start a religion moonie. Might be first one worth paying for.

It's already been started, he's a Scientologist.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm sorry if you cannot stomach the realities of just how and why Nazism is part of the collectivist family tree of political ideologies. However Nazism is a brother to Fascism and a cousin to the overall socialist movements linked by the collectivist tree of ideologies that developed in Europe. All of which share common strands of ancestry and influence which seek/sought to derail and usurp Classical Liberalism in favor of new ideologies which bestow governments greater and in some cases absolute power over individuals in order to achieve their own movement's political agendas.



This has very little baring on the actual point I stated. In addition I could just as easly point out that socialist did not have any great love for communist either just as the Nazis and Fascist movements loathed both groups and vice versus along with any other political ideology that stood at odds with their own world views.

According to American libertarianism, the "family tree" you refer to consists of every political ideology ever known except libertarianism. That is my point. You can lump all other ideologies into the same category, or you can try to understand them. But trying to understand is rarely the point of these kinds of discussions so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[werepossum]

The Nazis didn't despise socialists - they WERE socialists. They despised Communists, who gave their allegiance to the Soviet Union rather than to Germany. The Nazis were, above all, nationalists; that superseded all other concerns. Except possibly xenophobia, but that was also tied in to nationalism. In later years though they became more fascist than socialist, accepting private ownership of production and even private retention of the profits of production as long as the owners were the "good" Germans and they did what the state told them to do. It's the same with all forms of statism/authoritarianism, no matter the underlying ideology it quickly becomes a clique of elites for whom the rules no longer apply.

For that matter, it's very hard to see much difference at either end of the political spectrum once you go out far enough. What real difference is there between farms and factories owned by "the people" and managed for the benefit of the elites versus farms and factories owned by and managed for the benefit of the elites?

As far as the modern American Nazi Party goes, I would imagine that the intersection between hardcore socialists and hardcore white supremacists is so small that using the term "Nazi" probably doesn't hurt them. If they lose twenty percent of their membership over it, that just means the state membership travels to the national convention in the Prius rather than the minivan.

 

[woolfe9999]

Authoritarianism isn't as ideologically specific as people think it is. It exists because nature abhors a vacuum of power. There is no such thing as a truly libertarian state, both because people naturally desire to exert authority over others, AND because unfortunately some kind of state is necessary to curb other forms of authoritarianism. If any true libertarian state did ever exist, the centers of power would simply be shifted elsewhere, namely to those who control the resources. Anyone who believes that men can exist as fully autonomous individuals in a state of pure liberty is naive.

The only "solution" is constitutional democracy, which acts in the public interest. It is an extremely imperfect solution as we well know because there is too often a conflict between the desire for power and the public interest, as well as a tendency for powerful non-state interests to exert too much influence over the state. Still, it's as good as it gets.

- wolf

 

[BurnItDwn]

Crazy fvcking ultraconservatives.