American hunter kills black bear with spear

[NAC4EV]

Hunter draws criticism for killing bear with spear

Alberta to introduce ban on spear hunting after American hunter kills black bear and a video is posted online.

This is legal in Alberta but it has stirred up a controversy.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hunter...-spear-in-alberta-sparking-backlash-1.3030044

 

[MongGrel]

Posting a video of killing any animal online will stir up a controversy in one form or another.

Looks like the dickhead had baited in a non aggressive bear to begin with just from the pic.

If it was a Grizzly that ate him I would have bothered watching the video.

 

[jman19]

'Murica

 

[DrPizza]

Seeing that drum there, possibly used as a garbage can... I know it's allowed in some states, it's illegal in my state, and I feel that baiting in animals with food is NOT fair pursuit. That's not hunting. It's no different than filling your bird feeder and noting that the same cardinal comes back day after day for months on end, then one day, there's a cardinal season, and you shoot it while it's sitting on the feeder. I feel a great deal of condescension toward people who do that. And, don't say, "but we have to, to control the population." If the population is high enough to need controlling, there isn't a need to bait them in with food, or salt blocks.

In related news, I was out with my bow this past weekend, target shooting with my son. 40-45 yards, up hill, putting the arrow in the heart on the target, about 10-20% of the time, and into the kill zone the majority of the time. I'll be trying to up that to 100% of the time; though it was 100% with one of the arrows that doesn't match the other arrows. (That'll be my go-to arrow this season.) I'm 100% at shorter ranges, and will not shoot anything I'm not 100% certain on. Hoping to increase my range a little bit this year.

 

[bshole]

Seeing that drum there, possibly used as a garbage can... I know it's allowed in some states, it's illegal in my state, and I feel that baiting in animals with food is NOT fair pursuit. That's not hunting. It's no different than filling your bird feeder and noting that the same cardinal comes back day after day for months on end, then one day, there's a cardinal season, and you shoot it while it's sitting on the feeder. I feel a great deal of condescension toward people who do that. And, don't say, "but we have to, to control the population." If the population is high enough to need controlling, there isn't a need to bait them in with food, or salt blocks.

In related news, I was out with my bow this past weekend, target shooting with my son. 40-45 yards, up hill, putting the arrow in the heart on the target, about 10-20% of the time, and into the kill zone the majority of the time. I'll be trying to up that to 100% of the time; though it was 100% with one of the arrows that doesn't match the other arrows. (That'll be my go-to arrow this season.) I'm 100% at shorter ranges, and will not shoot anything I'm not 100% certain on. Hoping to increase my range a little bit this year.

In bow hunting there is not such as 100%. You can get quite lethal but it requires multiple encounters with real live animals. Shooting in the range does NOT translate into clean kills. Clean kills from shot selection (taking only ridiculously easy shots) and taking actual shots at live targets. The sad truth is that animals have to suffer before a new hunter is able to master his bow fever. This issue cannot be addressed in the range.

 

[DrPizza]

Clean kills means you pass up shots that you aren't 100% comfortable with. And, that's why you practice. I suppose you're right, technically, there is no 100%. I'm still batting 1.000 though; there have been no deer wounded by my bow that I've had to track. The last two years, I hadn't had a lot of time to practice. I wouldn't take a shot beyond 20 yards. (6 yard shot though.) My sons both know not to take a shot - rifle, shotgun (slug), or bow, unless it's a safe shot (know your target and beyond - no shooting over the side of a hill), and you're certain it's a kill shot. Shit happens though to prevent a kill (and prevent a wounded deer) like not noticing a small tree while you're following along a slowly walking deer, just about to release your arrow. Tunk! Shit.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Seeing that drum there, possibly used as a garbage can... I know it's allowed in some states, it's illegal in my state, and I feel that baiting in animals with food is NOT fair pursuit. That's not hunting.

Of course it's a bait station. For bears, they'll fill the can with rotting fruit and meat, then cover the can with logs. The logs are to slow the bear down and give the hunter an opportunity to take a shot. Baiting is commonplace in bear hunting.

I had a buddy who went on an archery bear hunt in Alberta some years ago. Exact same scenario. Hunting from tree stands over bait stations. They even set up cameras so they know which bears are feeding at which station, so the hunters can go out and get the biggest trophy. He went up for a week's hunt. Early in the week he took a shot at a bear, but shot high. He couldn't tell where he hit, but he was unable to find his arrow. So he hunted the rest of the week, and on the last day he got another shot and killed a bear. As they were skinning it they found a broadhead embedded in the bear's spine. It was his broadhead, and it was the same bear from earlier in the week.

 

[zinfamous]

I think if you're going to bait animals like that, the animals should at least be equipped with motion-detecting mini rocket launchers or guns on their backs to give them a decent chance.

I don't have a problem with hunting bears and certainly not hunting with spears, but this is cowardice.

I'm sure a 14 year old Masai boy would laugh at this clown that thinks he's a hunter.

 

[JSt0rm]

we shouldnt be hunting these kinds of animals. We evolved our meat machines and thats all we need. Hunting deer and whatever else gets too big because we killed all the natural predators is one thing but some black bear looking through trash shouldnt be killed.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Is hunting deer in a corn field really that much different? Or setting up a tree stand over a game trail where you've had a game camera watching for the past month? Or putting out salt licks for deer? Or hunting antelope from blinds beside cattle watering troughs? Or taking 600 yard shots at elk with a high powered rifle and scope? Hunting mountain lions with dogs?

The rules we create for sport hunting are all arbitrary.

 

[zinfamous]

Is hunting deer in a corn field really that much different? Or setting up a tree stand over a game trail where you've had a game camera watching for the past month? Or putting out salt licks for deer? Or hunting antelope from blinds beside cattle watering troughs? Or taking 600 yard shots at elk with a high powered rifle and scope? Hunting mountain lions with dogs?

The rules we create for sport hunting are all arbitrary.

Agree, it isn't any different. They are all cowardly. Humans should hunt game and especially predators the way humans evolved to: chasing them down to exhaustion and only with wooden pointy weapons. We are really awesome at that.

Either that, or sitting on a pile of dirty wrappers in their car seat while pumping the AC in the Fattyfat Fatburger drive through.

 

[Joepublic2]

Is hunting deer in a corn field really that much different? Or setting up a tree stand over a game trail where you've had a game camera watching for the past month? Or putting out salt licks for deer? Or hunting antelope from blinds beside cattle watering troughs? Or taking 600 yard shots at elk with a high powered rifle and scope? Hunting mountain lions with dogs?

The rules we create for sport hunting are all arbitrary.

Baiting an animal like that is just pathetic unless you legitimately need it for food/clothes or something. This guy obviously doesn't. I really don't like sport hunting and just view it as senseless violence, though. If a hunter is thinning out say a deer herd to keep it healthy that's different because it's serving a purpose.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I am so glad I have a functioning penis. No need to do this type of senseless killing to 'prove' my manhood. Sad little people commit these acts of brutality.

 

[NAC4EV]

I don't think your penis would stand chance against a bear.
It will be an a very small hors d'oeuvre for a bear.

DON'T DO IT,

 

[theeedude]

Why did he kill that bear? For fun? Just to take a picture?

 

[MongGrel]

Why did he kill that bear? For fun? Just to take a picture?

Just to say he had done it I suppose. I had an Aunt that used to put out salt licks for deer in Southern Indiana just to have them around, but Nell would probably have gotten out a rifle herself and shot a hunter on her property trying to hunt them during season. My father even warned me so at the time

Corn fields have normally been harvested by the time deer season rolls around. I still think anything involving baiting is BS.

My cousin and I used to go out on his farm and plink ground hogs at about 300+ yards or so just to do it, but they were considered pests if they dug near a barn at any rate.

I've known people in the past used to spend a lot of money to go to Wyoming etc to hunt Antelope at long range, was considered a shooting skill thing. One of they guys I knew years ago had a farm/grain elevator sales/ high end gun shop on his property that he even had a couple of Whitetails in a high fenced enclosure. Someone snuck onto Paul's land one time when he on vacation and actually shot them inside the enclosure and hauled them off.

I haven't even deer hunted myself in years, or used my bow. Still have an old Jennings UniStar with a over draw I made myself I used Easton XX75's cut down on with a release that would spit them out almost like a cross bow. Sold off my target bow and a few others over time. I grew up shooting bows also myself.

Some of the newer tech with cameras is a bit out there along those lines, one of the places the wife hangs out at a motion detector camera they caught a Florida Panther on recently, they are a bit rare. Boar hunting is common in that area.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why did he kill that bear? For fun? Just to take a picture?

Hunters kill things because they find it to be "fun". Thats a pretty fucked up reason to take another life.

I killed it... you know... for fun.

 

[MongGrel]

Hunters kill things because they find it to be "fun". Thats a pretty fucked up reason to take another life.

I killed it... you know... for fun.

Not all hunters are created equal. A processed large deer/elk/boar in a big freezer is a lot of food.

I doubt the guy spearing Yogi Bear has any intention of eating him.

There are responsible hunters and idiots out there in the same vein as drivers of cars.

 

[bshole]

Why did he kill that bear? For fun? Just to take a picture?

It is an evolved trait. While the urge to hunt is no longer necessary for survival, it once was. If humans were repulsed by hunting 10,000 years ago, we would probably be extinct now. This instinct is no longer being selected upon by nature so the number of hunters may go down in the future. The problem with that is if hunters go away then species over-populate and then die off in massive starvation events. In addition they are absolutely devastating to the food crops that humans rely on for survival. Voluntary hunting is the cheapest form of wildlife management there is.

If you want to think of barbarity consider that deer are literally eaten alive by predators. In fact, coyotes will cripple deer, nibble on them for awhile and leave them ALIVE so they can come back later for fresh meat. Most people don't understand how brutal and unforgiving nature really is.

With regards to this particular instance, it is obviously a case of ego hunting. It was done to impress other hunters about how bad ass he was. There are very few hunters who would go after a bear with nothing but a spear. It would be suicidal to do so with a grizzly bear but even a black bear can surprise you.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I don't think your penis would stand chance against a bear.
It will be an a very small hors d'oeuvre for a bear.

DON'T DO IT,

Sound advice, never bring a dick to a bear fight, might get a tattoo of that.

 

[DrPizza]

Hunters kill things because they find it to be "fun". Thats a pretty fucked up reason to take another life.

I killed it... you know... for fun.

I hunt for the food. The meat is outstanding. Plus, it provides quite a bit of good quality meat for my dogs.

 

[bshole]

I hunt for the food. The meat is outstanding. Plus, it provides quite a bit of good quality meat for my dogs.

Unless you butcher them yourself, it is incredibly expensive meat. Unbelievably expensive.

I ate a lot of deer in my life and I can honestly say that I like beef a lot better. Deer meat is too lean and healthy. The main reason I quit hunting was that I didn't want to eat it anymore.

 

[DrPizza]

Of course I butcher them myself. And, around here, it costs about $50 to have a deer butchered and packaged. The most I have ever seen someone charging is about $70 for a deer. It costs a shit ton of money to have stuff made out of the ground venison (sausage links, hot dogs, summer sausage, etc., though. It's a lot easier to just do that yourself, though a bit of work. Jalapeno and cheese venison hot dogs though, from one particular butcher. Omg, best hotdogs I've ever eaten.

 

[JSt0rm]

I hunt for the food. The meat is outstanding. Plus, it provides quite a bit of good quality meat for my dogs.

Hunting for food is fine. Hunting because you have some blood lust is not.

 

[stormkroe]

As always, I have the perfect solution.
Let bait-hunting of bears be legal, but only with a 4" max knife (folding blade only, be careful!.
The faux-hunters don't have to actually hunt, and the rest of us get endless youtube entertainment.