America?s Terror-war in Iraq

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A reporter I like and read, Robert Fisk, likes to trot out a comment made to him by an Sunni Iraqi at a funeral he attended on whether there would be a civil war in Iraq, "I'm married to a Shi'ite. You want me to kill my wife? Why do you westerners always want civil war?". His point in bringing it up is to demonstrate that Iraq is a tribal society, not an sectarian one; that a civil war between the Sunni's and Shi'ites wasn't necessarily in the cards and that a third party is most likely trying to drive the two sides against each other. Fisk always stops right there and declines to mention which faction he believes is responsible, or rather indirectly indicates it, but it it my contention that it is the Americans themselves, and the contention of this article.

For further reading, I also recommend this powerful year old article that's referenced below by Max Fuller entitled, "For Iraq, the 'Salvador Option' becomes Reality".

America?s Terror-war in Iraq

?The bottom line in combating the hopes and dreams of ordinary people is to resort to spreading terror through the application of extreme violence.? Max Fuller ?In Iraq, the Salvador Option becomes Reality?

By Mike Whitney

04/21/06 "ICH" -- -- The failure to build support for the Iraq war has forced some dramatic changes in the Pentagon?s approach to psychological operations (Psy-ops). The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been jettisoned for an entirely different narrative centered on the prospect of an Iraqi civil war. The media shifted away from the Zarqawi-myth on the day of the bombing of the Golden-domed mosque in Samarra, one of the great icons of Islam. From that point on, Zarqawi, the fabricated, fanatical psychopath has been replaced by Iraq?s ?catalyzing event? which, like 9-11, is being used to conceal the vast devastation of the American occupation.

Lt. General John Vines announced last week to a group at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy that Zarqawi has admitted strategic defeat in Iraq and was ?on his way out of the country?. Vines added that Al Qaida ?no longer views Iraq as fertile ground to establish a caliphate and as a place to conduct international terrorism?. It is, of course, completely absurd to think that Vines knows what a foreign terrorist may be thinking or where he might choose to move. The real purpose of Vine?s announcement was to cancel-out Zarqawi and pave the way for the Pentagon?s latest fable, civil war.

Earlier in the week the Washington Post had already exposed the Zarqawi ruse when Colonel Derek Harvey admitted that the military intentionally ?enlarged Zarqawi?s caricature? to create the impression that the struggle against occupation was really a fight against terrorism. As Harvey said, ?The long term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but former regime types and their friends?.

Zarqawi has been an effective tool for diverting attention from the occupation, but now he is being replaced by another calculated distraction; sectarian violence. The media now focuses all its attention on the free-wheeling militias which attack mosques and marketplaces alike; disposing of hundreds of young men every week after torturing them with drills and shooting them in the backs of the head.

Whether the storyline is build around elusive terrorists or civil war, the imperial puppeteers insist on controlling the narrative by spinning a tale that is faithfully reiterated in the press. Most of what we read is simply Pentagon summaries of the daily violence. The truth must be sought at an entirely different level where the realities of a savage occupation and its cynical motives are more apparent.

The Iraqi resistance has never abandoned their original strategy to attack American troops, Iraqi security forces, and oil pipelines. Why would they? their strategy is succeeding? The idea that they suddenly shifted directions from guerilla warfare to sectarian violence following the demolition of the Golden-domed mosque is pure myth intended to persuade the American public that the uptick in violence is not created by the occupation but by deep-seated ethnic and religious divisions.

That?s not what is happening.

What?s really taking place is that American armed and trained death squads are attacking Sunnis and Shiite alike to facilitate a break-up of Iraq which Pentagon planners and right wing ideologues have sought from the very beginning. The media, of course, is assisting in the disinformation campaign by dumping the Zarqawi fantasy and spinning an entirely new storyline centered on the destruction of the golden-domed mosque. Readers should be sensitive to the reiteration of this theme in nearly every article appearing in the New York Times and the Washington Post; the headwaters of the American propaganda system.

There have been three occasions when allied troops have been directly connected to the bombing incidents which are invariably blamed either on foreign jihadis or Sunni resistance fighters. The first was the famous incident in Basra where two British paramilitaries were caught disguised as Arabs with a truck-full of explosives in their vehicle. Panicky British forces destroyed the Basra jail to release the two captured SAS soldiers clearly afraid that occupation forces would be directly connected to the savage bombings that are designed to promote sectarian warfare.

An interview on Syrian TV with Ziyad Al-Munajid on the night the special-forces soldiers were caught clarifies this point, Al-Munajid said,

?This incident gave answers to questions and suspicions that were lacking evidence about the participation of the occupation in some armed operations in Iraq. Many analysts and observers here had suspicions that the occupation was involved in some armed operations against civilians and places of worship and in the killing of scientists. But those were only suspicions that lacked proof. The proof came today through the arrest of the two British soldiers while they were planting explosives in one of the Basra streets. This proves, according to observers, that the occupation is not far from many operations that seek to sow sedition and maintain disorder, as this would give the occupation the justification to stay in Iraq for a longer period. "

More evidence of American complicity surfaced in a Boston Globe article which stated, ?The FBI's counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering some vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior US Government officials.? (?Cars Stolen in US used in Suicide Attacks?, Bryan Bender)

The implication is clear; the American intelligence services have been importing stolen cars from the US to use in alleged ?suicide bombing? in Iraq.

Another incident that was unreported by any other news service except Reuters was this:

American arrested with weapons in Iraq

By Reuters 2006

03/15/06 BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An American described as a security contractor has been arrested by police in a northern Iraqi town with weapons in his car, said a provincial official.

Abdullah Jebara, the Deputy Governor of Salahaddin province, told Reuters the man was arrested in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit on Monday.

The Joint Coordination Center between the U.S. and Iraqi military in Tikrit said the man it described as a security contractor working for a private company, possessed explosives which were found in his car. It said he was arrested on Tuesday.?

Remember, no Iraqi has ever been caught with explosives attempting to blow up civilians. The only people who have ever been arrested have been connected to the occupation.

More proof of American involvement in terrorism in Iraq surfaced after the bombing of the Golden-domed mosque. The AFP reported that the bombing ?was the work of specialists? and the ?placing of explosives must have taken at least 12 hours?. The report continues:

?Construction Minister Jassem Mohammed Jaafar said, ?Holes were dug into the mausoleum?s four main pillars and packed with explosives. Then charges were connected together and linked to another charge placed just under the dome. The wires were then linked to a detonator which was triggered at a distance.?

Clearly the bombing was not carried out by rogue elements in the disparate Iraqi resistance but highly trained saboteurs executing a precision demolition to incite sectarian violence. The blast bears all the hallmarks of a covert Intelligence agency operation. Eyewitness accounts verify that American troops and Iraqi National Guard were active in the area throughout the night and that their cars could be heard running ?the whole night until next morning?. People living around the mosque were told ?to stay in your shop and don?t leave the area?.

At 6:30 AM the American troops left, just 10 minutes before the bombs went off.

There?s little doubt that the occupation is directly involved in the demolition of the mosque or that it is being used to craft a new narrative about sectarian violence.

So far, there has been no official investigation of the bombing at the mosque although every news service in the western media has used it as evidence of a burgeoning civil war.

The strategy for inciting civil war has never changed. If the United States really wanted to establish security in Iraq they would have increased the number of troops on the ground. Instead, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld has convinced the White House that we are fighting ?a new kind of war? that requires massive counterinsurgency operations papered over by daily infusions of propaganda. The script closely follows the directives of Henry Kissinger who summarized the current strategy in the 1980s (during the Iran ?Iraq war) when he callously noted, ?I hope they kill each other?. That continues to be the rationale that animates the current policy in Iraq to this day.

Author Max Fuller has made a major contribution in painstakingly documenting the proof of America?s involvement in the terror war that is being waged against the Iraqi people. In ?Crying Wolf: Media disinformation and Deaths squads in Occupied Iraq? Fuller?s exposes the Interior Ministry as the hub of the clandestine death squad activity. Contrary to popular opinion, he shows that the ministry is not exclusively manned by theocratic Shiites. In fact, one of the more brutal counterinsurgency groups, the Sunni-led Special Police Commandos, is headed by a former officer in Saddam?s Baath Party. (The Commandos were founded by the son of the former Iraqi Chief of Staff Falah al-Naqib, who many believed to be a CIA asset.) The connections of Interior Ministry chieftains to their CIA managers are deep and compelling. As Fuller notes, "the Police Commandos were formed under the experienced tutelage and oversight of veteran US counterinsurgency fighters, and from the outset conducted joint-force operations with elite and highly secretive US special-forces units." (Reuters, National Review Online)


Fuller says: "A key figure in the development of the Special Police Commandos was James Steele, a former US Army special forces operative who cut his teeth in Vietnam before moving on to direct the US military mission in El Salvador at the height of that country?s civil war?. Another US contributor was the same Steven Casteel who as the most senior US advisor within the Interior Ministry brushed off serious and well-substantiated accusations of appalling human right violations as 'rumor and innuendo??.Casteel?s background is significant because this kind of intelligence-gathering support role and the production of death lists are characteristic of US involvement in counterinsurgency programs and constitute the underlying thread in what can appear to be random, disjointed killing sprees."

Needless, to say, the CIA does not move major assets like Steele and Casteel into a prickly situation like Iraq to shuffle papers by a water-cooler. These are the main gears in the machinery of the Iraqi death squads and they illustrate the real motive behind Washington?s campaign of terror. There is nothing either "random" or "disjointed" in the butchery produced by their labors.

Fuller adds: "The Police Commando headquarters has become the hub of a nationwide command, control, communications, computer and intelligence operations centre, courtesy of the US (Defend America)."

The administration has provided a "state of the art" communications network to "coordinate mass murder".

"DeBaathification" is a sham. Many of the top-ranking officials in the Ministry are Sunnis, including "deputy Minister for Intelligence Affairs (also leader of the Interior Ministry?s spy service) currently held by General Hussain Kamel". The intention of the Bush administration is not to promote one group over the other but to foment widespread sectarian violence that will precipitate the destruction of the state and easier control of its resources.

The much-maligned Interior Ministry does not operate independently from their benefactors in Washington nor does the newly discovered 146,000 Facility Protection Service. These militias are at least somewhat functioning under Washington?s auspices and, as the Tribunes? Liz Sly and Cam Simpson say in ?US Arming of Iraq Cops Skates close to Legal Line?, they are probably getting weaponry from the US to carry out their human rights violations.

That?s because As the Los Angeles Times notes, "The entire intelligence establishment is a creation of the Anglo-American secret services, which began building at least as early as the beginning of the occupation."


Max Fuller clarifies this point: "What is possible is that both sides of the apparent sectarian violence are run as part of a huge CIA-lead intelligence operation designed to split Iraq at the seams. I tentatively suggest that the intelligence apparatus at the Interior Ministry is contriving attacks on Sunnis and that British and US Special Forces in conjunction with the intelligence apparatus at the Iraqi Defense Ministry are fabricating insurgent bombings of Shias.?

Rumsfeld, who graduated from America?s counterinsurgency wars in Nicaragua and El Salvador, is demonstrating his theories of warfare for the 21st century; a massive covert terror-campaign aimed at Sunnis and Shias alike. It is a shocking departure from the widely-held belief that security is required for governance. Instead, fear and chaos are being used alternately to pacify the population and achieve the occupation?s overall objectives. As Fuller says in ?In Iraq, the Salvador Option becomes Reality?, ?the bottom line in combating the hopes and dreams of ordinary people is to resort to spreading terror through the application of extreme violence.? That is an apt description of America?s ongoing war in Iraq.
 

dahunan

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If you make too much sense around here and add facts showing the bad stuff the US does then you will be ignored..
 

palehorse

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HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--


Start here
http://atimes01.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ15Ak02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ20Ak03.html
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: palehorse74
HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--


Start here
http://atimes01.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ15Ak02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ20Ak03.html

must.invest.in.tinfoil....
 

kage69

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If you make too much sense around here and add facts showing the bad stuff the US does then you will be ignored..


...except by lawn-mowing CIA NOCs who moonlight as partisan shills anyway...


Really starting to think pale has a chunk of his favorite household wrap lodged firmly against his hippocampus.


mall.ninja.detected.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: dahunan

HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-


Don't know what the hell you linked to, Bubba - but they launch the Visus Scans

BEWARE
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: dahunan

HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
Don't know what the hell you linked to, Bubba - but they launch the Visus Scans

BEWARE
umm, they dont on my system.. one is the aluminum beanie homepage, and the other is just a picture! no popups in IE or firefox for me... anyone else? if soemone confirms it, I'll remove them. but like i said, they launch nothing on my end.

Oh, btw, I'm very interested in seeing your responses to daniel49.
 

kage69

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I'm still waiting to find out how Abu Musab al-Zarqawi... is fictional?


Well we know he's missing a leg, yet our government wants us to believe an execution video where he shows no such handicap. Oh that and he apparently outran some of our troops on foot, but hey, we got his computer...
I can't make up my mind, there seems to be info that points in both directions (I can understand the confusion). Alas, it's just another issue that helps this incompetent admin take focus off the real job, mainly bringing OBL to justice. :(
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: kage69
I'm still waiting to find out how Abu Musab al-Zarqawi... is fictional?


Well we know he's missing a leg, yet our government wants us to believe an execution video where he shows no such handicap. Oh that and he apparently outran some of our troops on foot, but hey, we got his computer...
I can't make up my mind, there seems to be info that points in both directions (I can understand the confusion). Alas, it's just another issue that helps this incompetent admin take focus off the real job, mainly bringing OBL to justice. :(
the only justice OBL should get is a quick bullet to the skull... then we continue to hunt the other 1000's of his violent brethren who are just as big a threat... including Zarqawi. OBL is not the end-all of terrorism, and his demise will not be any type of "closure" on this issue. He and Zarqawi are both targets of opportunity that will get theirs in due time...
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

There most certainly was an Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, however many believe that his role in the Iraqi insurgency is minimal, or even that he died early on in the war and his persona is now being exploited by different parties. They contend that Zaqawi's percieved over inflated role in Iraq was the product of a psychological operation conducted by the Americans, and their contention is increasingly been shown to be the more likely one. Quoted below is a recent article written on that successful Psych Op campaign.

Perhaps instead of stopping yourself when you come across an idea you don't immediately consider valid, you should continue on and learn the reasons behind a person's belief in that idea, and then make your judgement.

Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
Jordanian Painted As Foreign Threat To Iraq's Stability

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 10, 2006; Page A01

The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The documents state that the U.S. campaign aims to turn Iraqis against Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, by playing on their perceived dislike of foreigners. U.S. authorities claim some success with that effort, noting that some tribal Iraqi insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists.

For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey, who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.

In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."

"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.

There has been a running argument among specialists in Iraq about how much significance to assign to Zarqawi, who spent seven years in prison in Jordan for attempting to overthrow the government there. After his release he spent time in Pakistan and Afghanistan before moving his base of operations to Iraq. He has been sentenced to death in absentia for planning the 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan. U.S. authorities have said he is responsible for dozens of deaths in Iraq and have placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

Recently there have been unconfirmed reports of a possible rift between Zarqawi and the parent al-Qaeda organization that may have resulted in his being demoted or cut loose. Last week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said that it was unclear what was happening between Zarqawi and al-Qaeda. "It may be that he's not being fired at all, but that he is being focused on the military side of the al-Qaeda effort and he's being asked to leave more of a political side possibly to others, because of some disagreements within al-Qaeda," he said.

The military's propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. One briefing slide about U.S. "strategic communications" in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the "home audience" as one of six major targets of the American side of the war.

That slide, created by Casey's subordinates, does not specifically state that U.S. citizens were being targeted by the effort, but other sections of the briefings indicate that there were direct military efforts to use the U.S. media to affect views of the war. One slide in the same briefing, for example, noted that a "selective leak" about Zarqawi was made to Dexter Filkins, a New York Times reporter based in Baghdad. Filkins's resulting article, about a letter supposedly written by Zarqawi and boasting of suicide attacks in Iraq, ran on the Times front page on Feb. 9, 2004.

Leaks to reporters from U.S. officials in Iraq are common, but official evidence of a propaganda operation using an American reporter is rare.

Filkins, reached by e-mail, said that he was not told at the time that there was a psychological operations campaign aimed at Zarqawi, but said he assumed that the military was releasing the letter "because it had decided it was in its best interest to have it publicized." No special conditions were placed upon him in being briefed on its contents, he said. He said he was skeptical about the document's authenticity then, and remains so now, and so at the time tried to confirm its authenticity with officials outside the U.S. military.

Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi

"There was no attempt to manipulate the press," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the U.S. military's chief spokesman when the propaganda campaign began in 2004, said in an interview Friday. "We trusted Dexter to write an accurate story, and we gave him a good scoop."

Another briefing slide states that after U.S. commanders ordered that the atrocities of Saddam Hussein's government be publicized, U.S. psychological operations soldiers produced a video disc that not only was widely disseminated inside Iraq, but also was "seen on Fox News."

U.S. military policy is not to aim psychological operations at Americans, said Army Col. James A. Treadwell, who commanded the U.S. military psyops unit in Iraq in 2003. "It is ingrained in U.S.: You don't psyop Americans. We just don't do it," said Treadwell. He said he left Iraq before the Zarqawi program began but was later told about it.

"When we provided stuff, it was all in Arabic," and aimed at the Iraqi and Arab media, said another military officer familiar with the program, who spoke on background because he is not supposed to speak to reporters.

But this officer said that the Zarqawi campaign "probably raised his profile in the American press's view."

With satellite television, e-mail and the Internet, it is impossible to prevent some carryover from propaganda campaigns overseas into the U.S. media, said Treadwell, who is now director of a new project at the U.S. Special Operations Command that focuses on "trans-regional" media issues. Such carryover is "not blowback, it's bleed-over," he said. "There's always going to be a certain amount of bleed-over with the global information environment."

The Zarqawi program was not related to another effort, led by the Lincoln Group, a U.S. consulting firm, to place pro-U.S. articles in Iraq newspapers, according to the officer familiar with the program who spoke on background.

It is difficult to determine how much has been spent on the Zarqawi campaign, which began two years ago and is believed to be ongoing. U.S. propaganda efforts in Iraq in 2004 cost $24 million, but that included extensive building of offices and residences for troops involved, as well as radio broadcasts and distribution of thousands of leaflets with Zarqawi's face on them, said the officer speaking on background.

The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. "Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response," one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: "Media operations," "Special Ops (626)" (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein's government) and "PSYOP," the U.S. military term for propaganda work.

One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."

Kimmitt is now the senior planner on the staff of the Central Command that directs operations in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.

In 2003 and 2004, he coordinated public affairs, information operations and psychological operations in Iraq -- though he said in an interview the internal briefing must be mistaken because he did not actually run the psychological operations and could not speak for them.

Kimmitt said, "There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was, primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience."

A goal of the campaign was to drive a wedge into the insurgency by emphasizing Zarqawi's terrorist acts and foreign origin, said officers familiar with the program.

"Through aggressive Strategic Communications, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations," the same briefing asserts.

Officials said one indication that the campaign worked is that over the past several months, there have been reports that Iraqi tribal insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists, especially in the culturally conservative province of Anbar. "What we're finding is indeed the people of al-Anbar -- Fallujah and Ramadi, specifically -- have decided to turn against terrorists and foreign fighters," Maj. Gen Rick Lynch, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said in February.
 

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Next thing you know libs0n will post an article on how US Marines are planting IED's on purpose so that they can get new and upgraded Hummers quicker.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Passions
Next thing you know libs0n will post an article on how US Marines are planting IED's on purpose so that they can get new and upgraded Hummers quicker.
shhh, dont tell him! he is singlehandedly making me millions by boosting the sale of Reynold's aluminum foil! so shush damnit!
 

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Leave it to the Limbaughts to thread hijack.

You'd think Palehorse would've stopped posting like he's somebody when the entire forum knows he's a fraud.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: conjur
Leave it to the Limbaughts to thread hijack.

You'd think Palehorse would've stopped posting like he's somebody when the entire forum knows he's a fraud.

i notice that you've ignored Earl's and Todd33's posts ackowledging my legitimacy.. funny thing that.

dont worry, im done posting after tomorrow... i have 21 months of real business to attend to starting Monday.

soblowme.
 

MadRat

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conjur and Darkhawk28 aren't exactly board favourites around here. The former likes to go off on bizarre OT rants. His ad hominem was unnecessary in this case, as always.
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
conjur and Darkhawk28 aren't exactly board favourites around here. The former likes to go off on bizarre OT rants. His ad hominem was unnecessary in this case, as always.

Frankly, I could care less if I am.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: MadRat
conjur and Darkhawk28 aren't exactly board favourites around here. The former likes to go off on bizarre OT rants. His ad hominem was unnecessary in this case, as always.

As opposed to the totally necessary ah hominem attack from palehorse?

Look, I'm the last person to support that kind of nonsense...I prefer discussions with actual content. But I can make an exception for karma... :D
 

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Fisk comes around. The mobile phone activated car bombing tactic described is chilling.

Seen through a Syrian lens,
'unknown Americans' are provoking civil war in Iraq

By Robert Fisk

04/29/06 "The Independent" -- - In Syria, the world appears through a glass, darkly. As dark as the smoked windows of the car which takes me to a building on the western side of Damascus where a man I have known for 15 years - we shall call him a "security source", which is the name given by American correspondents to their own powerful intelligence officers - waits with his own ferocious narrative of disaster in Iraq and dangers in the Middle East.

His is a fearful portrait of an America trapped in the bloody sands of Iraq, desperately trying to provoke a civil war around Baghdad in order to reduce its own military casualties. It is a scenario in which Saddam Hussein remains Washington's best friend, in which Syria has struck at the Iraqi insurgents with a ruthlessness that the United States wilfully ignores. And in which Syria's Interior Minister, found shot dead in his office last year, committed suicide because of his own mental instability.

The Americans, my interlocutor suspected, are trying to provoke an Iraqi civil war so that Sunni Muslim insurgents spend their energies killing their Shia co-religionists rather than soldiers of the Western occupation forces. "I swear to you that we have very good information," my source says, finger stabbing the air in front of him. "One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal. Then his car blew up."

Impossible, I think to myself. But then I remember how many times Iraqis in Baghdad have told me similar stories. These reports are believed even if they seem unbelievable. And I know where much of the Syrian information is gleaned: from the tens of thousands of Shia Muslim pilgrims who come to pray at the Sayda Zeinab mosque outside Damascus. These men and women come from the slums of Baghdad, Hillah and Iskandariyah as well as the cities of Najaf and Basra. Sunnis from Fallujah and Ramadi also visit Damascus to see friends and relatives and talk freely of American tactics in Iraq.

"There was another man, trained by the Americans for the police. He too was given a mobile and told to drive to an area where there was a crowd - maybe a protest - and to call them and tell them what was happening. Again, his new mobile was not working. So he went to a landline phone and called the Americans and told them: 'Here I am, in the place you sent me and I can tell you what's happening here.' And at that moment there was a big explosion in his car."

Just who these "Americans" might be, my source did not say. In the anarchic and panic-stricken world of Iraq, there are many US groups - including countless outfits supposedly working for the American military and the new Western-backed Iraqi Interior Ministry - who operate outside any laws or rules. No one can account for the murder of 191 university teachers and professors since the 2003 invasion - nor the fact that more than 50 former Iraqi fighter-bomber pilots who attacked Iran in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have been assassinated in their home towns in Iraq in the past three years.

Amid this chaos, a colleague of my source asked me, how could Syria be expected to lessen the number of attacks on Americans inside Iraq? "It was never safe, our border," he said. "During Saddam's time, criminals and Saddam's terrorists crossed our borders to attack our government. I built a wall of earth and sand along the border at that time. But three car bombs from Saddam's agents exploded in Damascus and Tartous- I was the one who captured the criminals responsible. But we couldn't stop them."

Now, he told me, the rampart running for hundreds of miles along Syria's border with Iraq had been heightened. "I have had barbed wire put on top and up to now we have caught 1,500 non-Syrian and non-Iraqi Arabs trying to cross and we have stopped 2,700 Syrians from crossing ... Our army is there - but the Iraqi army and the Americans are not there on the other side."

Behind these grave suspicions in Damascus lies the memory of Saddam's long friendship with the United States. "Our Hafez el-Assad [the former Syrian president who died in 2000] learnt that Saddam, in his early days, met with American officials 20 times in four weeks. This convinced Assad that, in his words, 'Saddam is with the Americans'. Saddam was the biggest helper of the Americans in the Middle East (when he attacked Iran in 1980) after the fall of the Shah. And he still is! After all, he brought the Americans to Iraq!"

So I turn to a story which is more distressing for my sources: the death by shooting of Brigadier General Ghazi Kenaan, former head of Syrian military intelligence in Lebanon - an awesomely powerful position - and Syrian Minister of Interior when his suicide was announced by the Damascus government last year.

Widespread rumours outside Syria suggested that Kenaan was suspected by UN investigators of involvement in the murder of the former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri in a massive car bomb in Beirut last year - and that he had been "suicided" by Syrian government agents to prevent him telling the truth.

Not so, insisted my original interlocutor. "General Ghazi was a man who believed he could give orders and anything he wanted would happen. Something happened that he could not reconcile - something that made him realise he was not all-powerful. On the day of his death, he went to his office at the Interior Ministry and then he left and went home for half an hour. Then he came back with a pistol. He left a message for his wife in which he said goodbye to her and asked her to look after their children and he said that what he was going to do was 'for the good of Syria'. Then he shot himself in the mouth."

Of Hariri's assassination, Syrian officials like to recall his relationship with the former Iraqi interim prime minister Iyad Alawi - a self-confessed former agent for the CIA and MI6 - and an alleged $20bn arms deal between the Russians and Saudi Arabia in which they claim Hariri was involved.

Hariri's Lebanese supporters continue to dismiss the Syrian argument on the grounds that Syria had identified Hariri as the joint author with his friend, French President Jacques Chirac, of the UN Security Council resolution which demanded the retreat of the Syrians from Lebanese territory.

But if the Syrians are understandably obsessed with the American occupation of Iraq, their long hatred for Saddam - something which they shared with most Iraqis - is still intact. When I asked my first "security" source what would happen to the former Iraqi dictator, he replied, banging his fist into his hand: "He will be killed. He will be killed. He will be killed."
 

kage69

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the only justice OBL should get is a quick bullet to the skull...

...and let him attain the martyrdom his demented kind lust for. You must be reading from the GWB Book of Tactics (i.e. Do what your enemy wants you to do!)


then we continue to hunt the other 1000's of his violent brethren who are just as big a threat... including Zarqawi.

Providing no more interesting side adventures pop up, right? 1000s of threats just as big as OBL? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? No one will argue that there aren't 1000s of terrorists out there, but some pissed off Saudi taking pot shots at passing Hummers outside of Ramadi IS NOT the same thing as wealthy fanatics with management skills and world-wide ties to training and materials. Again, you prove yourself a neocon idealogue.


OBL is not the end-all of terrorism, and his demise will not be any type of "closure" on this issue.

No one here, or anywhere that I know of, is saying otherwise. Why is it you can never seem to address real statements, instead opting to address points you yourself fabricate? Getting OBL is about justice, plain and simple. Get it?


He and Zarqawi are both targets of opportunity that will get theirs in due time...


The odds are definetly in our favor concerning Zarqawi. You lead from the front, sooner or later your luck will run out when combating a proficient adversary. We haven't a clue (or a care it seems) where OBL is or what he's doing, and my hunch is he will dictate his own exit from this world. I hope I'm wrong and that he's captured alive though. Death is too good for that SOB.



conjur and Darkhawk28 aren't exactly board favourites around here. The former likes to go off on bizarre OT rants. His ad hominem was unnecessary in this case, as always.


Conjur and Darkhawk, unlike you, aren't confusing this forum with some middle school-esque popularity contest. Conjur and Dark are also not the ones telling others to "blow" them either. It would seem your sudden sensitivity to ad homs is what is unnecessary, unless you'd like to start applying that standard equally amoung the P&N crowd?
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
HOLY TINFOIL RANTS BATMAN!
this is where you lost me:

"The fictional terror-mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi..."

ummm...right. so... how the $@#% is this "news"?! next you'll be linking to Stephen King as a source!

please click the links in my sig.. quickly...before they come and get youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--

"Our job is to report the news, not to fabricate it. That's the government's job."

Do you honestly think major news organizations be it CNN or BBC are not in bed with the government? That's old news. They have been in the same bed since what the 50s?