America is Doomed?

[Jhhnn]

What did Spain really have then that would make it even slightly comparable to the US now?

Really rich & ruthless bastards with a strong sense of entitlement running things?

Just a thought...

 

[Doppel]

ok please bump this thread with a i told you so if this ever happens ok?

Texas is right and it's what happened in WWII. As the US kicks more basic manufacturing out this becomes more difficult.

That said we must always, always remember that the US is shedding manufacturing jobs more than its actual manufacturing base. Automation is the reason for this. It is still number two (I think it lost number 1 spot in the last year or so) manufacturer in the world, so it's hardly incapable of building anymore.

 

[Arkaign]

Well of course it's doomed, nothing lasts forever. However, it's more likely just to change over time, as for example England today is absolutely nothing like England circa 1811 or even 1911, and it's more than just a time change, but rather a completely different form of government and place in the global structure.

 

[5150Joker]

Well of course it's doomed, nothing lasts forever. However, it's more likely just to change over time, as for example England today is absolutely nothing like England circa 1811 or even 1911, and it's more than just a time change, but rather a completely different form of government and place in the global structure.

Your right England is nothing like its former self. It went from a global empire to a tiny almost insignificant country that's overburdened by social welfare. I have no interest in seeing the USA become like England or Turkey. Like most Americans, I'd want it to retain its global military and technological lead but with the way our policy has been shaped by the traitors in Washington, we're fucked. Until lobbyists are outlawed and corporate America's fangs are out of politics entirely, it'll be the same failed policy no matter who is elected.

 

[Siddhartha]

Your right England is nothing like its former self. It went from a global empire to a tiny almost insignificant country that's overburdened by social welfare. I have no interest in seeing the USA become like England or Turkey. Like most Americans, I'd want it to retain its global military and technological lead but with the way our policy has been shaped by the traitors in Washington, we're fucked. Until lobbyists are outlawed and corporate America's fangs are out of politics entirely, it'll be the same failed policy no matter who is elected.

England went from having a global empire to where it is now because in a matter of two generations it fought two World Wars which bankrupt it. You make it sound like it was either taking care of UK citizens or enslaving other countries and peoples.

 

[biostud]

Once taxes go up, most (but not all) of the rich people will leave and there will probably be a true civil war.

That's where they have fooled you. The rich people has nowhere to go, except they go to the politicians and convince them that they're going to leave if they're not allowed to accumulate more money.

If a person earns a billion dollars and is taxed with 15%, then he's still going to do business if he gets taxed 30-40%, because he will still earn 600-700 million dollars.

 

[RbSX]

We cant protect our southern border, but it is ok to protect afghanistan and Iraq, Japan, South Korea, Isreal, Germany, South America, Australia, and even Libya.

There is no money left for US Citizens, and we have to send money to the UN?

America is not an Empire!!!

Hah, this is funny, the USA hasn't paid its bills to the UN in years. Hah. When I was doing the National High School Model UN in New York it was a major topic of discussion.

 

[Born2bwire]

I like how they compare the locations of bases in the world to the actual territory governed and occupied by the Spanish Empire. Okinawa? Well, might as well color all of Japan then.

 

[Craig234]

Well of course it's doomed, nothing lasts forever. However, it's more likely just to change over time, as for example England today is absolutely nothing like England circa 1811 or even 1911, and it's more than just a time change, but rather a completely different form of government and place in the global structure.

I disagree. Whether it's the US or another, I think the way is being paved for a very long-term authority to rule, with advances in the milutary, propaganda, media etc.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

:thumbsdown: Hugo, this was a poor hit-and-run troll attempt. 2/10.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

I disagree. Whether it's the US or another, I think the way is being paved for a very long-term authority to rule, with advances in the milutary, propaganda, media etc.

Craig, what do you mean by "Whether it's the US or another"? Do you mean you think our country is being setup to be ruled by a long-term authority american or otherwise?

 

[Gintaras]

Craig, what do you mean by "Whether it's the US or another"? Do you mean you think our country is being setup to be ruled by a long-term authority american or otherwise?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Isn't that usually reserved for A420? I have to believe Craig meant something else.

 

[Onceler]

We cant protect our southern border, but it is ok to protect afghanistan and Iraq, Japan, South Korea, Isreal, Germany, South America, Australia, and even Libya.

There is no money left for US Citizens, and we have to send money to the UN?

America is not an Empire!!!

Republics become empires

 

[Hugo Drax]

A strong Parallel is the Ottoman Empire and its Janissaries. The Ottoman Turks empire had one of the most advanced militaries in the world. But over the years corruption amongst the ranks started to destroy the empire from within. And the Ottoman empire did not just collapse overnight, it was a long drawn out affair. Something similar to what we are seeing today in the US.

Also the Wealth gap getting wider and wider is problematic.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

#1 A staggering 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be "low income" or are living in poverty.

self inflicted

#6 There are fewer payroll jobs in the United States today than there were back in 2000 even though we have added 30 million extra people to the population since then.

too many immigrants and uneducated folks

#7 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.

dumb poor people holding us back

#8 According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 16.6 million Americans were self-employed back in December 2006. Today, that number has shrunk to 14.5 million.

too much govt red tape

#13 One recent survey found that one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

self-inflicted, lack of self control and poor budgeting

#15 According to a recent study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.

that's what you get when everything is purchased on credit

#17 The U.S. Postal Service has lost more than 5 billion dollars over the past year.

unsustainable benefits for all current and past employees

#18 In Stockton, California home prices have declined 64 percent from where they were at when the housing market peaked.

stockton is a shithole anyway

#20 If you can believe it, the median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.

so if i can't believe it, does it mean it's not true?

#27 If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.

useless tidbit. i have more than 10 and i'm doing just fine

#30 The retirement crisis in the United States just continues to get worse. According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

#31 Today, one out of every six elderly Americans lives below the federal poverty line.

self inflicted

#32 According to a study that was just released, CEO pay at America's biggest companies rose by 36.5% in just one recent 12 month period.

so did mine. point?

#34 The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have a net worth that is roughly equal to the bottom 30 percent of all Americans combined.

good for them. am i supposed to care?

#35 According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greater than the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.

i would that my net worth is greater 30 years later

#36 If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

self inflicted. i'm under 35 and my net worth is positive.

#37 A higher percentage of Americans is living in extreme poverty (6.7%) than has ever been measured before.


#46 If Bill Gates gave every single penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

but of course. we're in this mess because the rich aren't paying their fair share

#47 Amazingly, the U.S. government has now accumulated a total debt of 15 trillion dollars. When Barack Obama first took office the national debt was just 10.6 trillion dollars.


#49 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.

probably wouldn't have mattered who took office. the national debt is just going to keep growing unless you stop spending

 

[randomrogue]

A lot of those statistics are worthless. The stockton one for example is a cherry picked example of the city with the highest appreciation and thus the biggest fall. It's a shithole. A place where I won't stop, roll my windows up, lock my doors, etc. I'd rather live in Compton. Morons bought $500,000 houses out there at the peak.

The post office one is because we have the cheapest postage rates in the world and refuse to raise them enough and/or lower benefits. Double the damn postage rates. Quadruple them.

etc.

 

[sportage]

There is no America. There is no USSR. There is no China. There is only AT&T, IBM, Fannie and Freddie, Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil. (where have we heard that before?)