"America is Already Great" Chapter 7 - More Americans are drinking themselves to death

[Blackjack200]

More Americans are drinking themselves to death, study suggests
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-a...elves-to-death-alcohol-related-liver-disease/

"These are deaths of despair," said lead researcher Dr. Elliot Tapper, an assistant professor of gastroenterology at the University of Michigan.

It's similar to overdose deaths from the opioid epidemic. In both cases, people are trying to relieve the emotional pain they feel, Tapper said.

He cautioned, however, that because this is an observational study, it cannot prove cause and effect.

Basic unemployment figures might be down, but young adults are increasingly working in jobs that cannot support an independent and healthy life. So they are killing themselves with drugs, and killing themselves with guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States

Fascists usually don't come to power when things are going well. The only way to beat them is to face the reality of the desperate circumstances many in this country find themselves in, talk about it in your campaign messaging, and tell people how you're going to make things better for them.

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education
No more foreign intervention

You can win with this message, but you need credibility.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sure, and then republicans agitprop millions into fighting against their own betterment.

Alcohol is legal, I don't really care, do you?

 

[IronWing]

Good thing we didn’t do anything stupid like abandon the ban on hard liquor ads on television.

 

[Muse]

Fixes for issues are great, but if you have insuperable issues, things may get even worse. What might those be? A few ideas off the top of my head:

• Global warming, the poisoning of the planet with excess CO2 levels. CO2 is projected to double by the end of the century if things continue as they are. The fallout from this would be catastrophic on many levels.
  
• Population levels unsustainable.
• The corporate mugging of the planet. If we can't put the kabosh on greed, we are in deep doo doo.

We either face the music or it will get pretty nasty.

 

[Darwin333]

Yet we still put people in jail for weed...

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Good thing we didn’t do anything stupid like abandon the ban on hard liquor ads on television.

Don't forget not allowing coupon sales - Also my state makes sure I can't buy hard liquor on Sunday's - because, you know... reasons.

I'll be quite honest though, I've been drinking excessively lately. Mostly for delicious beers, but there is no doubt I always take it half a step too far.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nice post, OP. I think the focus on message is where the focus should be.

 

[nickqt]

Alcohol: one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet.

 

[blackangst1]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education


Who's gonna pay for this?

 

[IronWing]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education


Who's gonna pay for this?

With all the money we'll save on booze there will be plenty to cover these things.




Just kidding, we just need to tax the bejeebers out of the rich.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education


Who's gonna pay for this?

You miss feudalism don't you.

 

[blackangst1]

With all the money we'll save on booze there will be plenty to cover these things.




Just kidding, we just need to tax the bejeebers out of the rich.

And assuming we do that, where will that money go?

 

[IronWing]

And assuming we do that, where will that money go?

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education

 

[Mai72]

With all the money we'll save on booze there will be plenty to cover these things.


Just kidding, we just need to tax the bejeebers out of the rich.

LMAO, and that will never happen. The wealthy run America, and if we tried to make them pay they'd find the loopholes anyway. Because that is what they do.

Anyway, If that was an option, they'd take their money and leave. You know who would get hurt? Middle class America. We would get stuck paying for this crap like we always do.

Look at Sweeden and the VAT tax. It's frekin 25%. Are you willing to pay 25% on the things you buy? Yea. Thought so. In Sweeden many corporations had fled because of the high tax rate.

 

[ch33zw1z]

LMAO, and that will never happen. The wealthy run America, and if we tried to make them pay they'd find the loopholes anyway. Because that is what they do.

Anyway, If that was an option, they'd take their money and leave. You know who would get hurt? Middle class America. We would get stuck paying for this crap like we always do.

Look at Sweeden and the VAT tax. It's frekin 25%. Are you willing to pay 25% on the things you buy? Yea. Thought so. In Sweeden many corporations had fled because of the high tax rate.

While I get what you're saying, 20% of my income is already allotted to just healthcare.

 

[boomerang]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education

Sounds like a plan. Then, when the money runs out, what?

I spoke of this a month or so ago. If we confiscated everything Jeff Bezo's had at that time, was able to liquidate it at full value and then divided it equally to the population of the U.S., everyone would get just under $400. That's a one time payment.

Maybe you could give us an explanation on how you would keep these giveaways rolling? How much from whom would be a start. Throw in some math too. Then, an explanation for why these people would continue to produce knowing that their earnings would be confiscated.

Adolescent dreams are just that, dreams. People the world over have flocked to this nation for hundreds of years because of the opportunities it offers. Yet, many are taught that we are an evil nation populated by greedy, evil people and that we need to change. Change to some form of "Democratic Socialism". That this nation will be a better one once the distribution of misery becomes equal. Equal housing, equal education, equal healthcare, equal everything. Everything substandard but equal. Except of course for those at the top. You don't see Bernie liquidating all but one of his residences and donating the proceeds do you? Hell no you don't, he's going to be one of the leaders.

These words are meaningless to the indoctrinated. I'm sure it will all work out this time based solely on hope.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

With all the money we'll save on booze there will be plenty to cover these things.




Just kidding, we just need to tax the bejeebers out of the rich.

I thought it was pretty well proven you can tax the shit out of the rich - you still wouldn't have enough to pay for all those things.

You might have to *gasp* pay some more of your OWN money for shit that you want.

 

[Mai72]

Sounds like a plan. Then, when the money runs out, what?

I spoke of this a month or so ago. If we confiscated everything Jeff Bezo's had at that time, was able to liquidate it at full value and then divided it equally to the population of the U.S., everyone would get just under $400. That's a one time payment.

Maybe you could give us an explanation on how you would keep these giveaways rolling? How much from whom would be a start. Throw in some math too. Then, an explanation for why these people would continue to produce knowing that their earnings would be confiscated.

Adolescent dreams are just that, dreams. People the world over have flocked to this nation for hundreds of years because of the opportunities it offers. Yet, many are taught that we are an evil nation populated by greedy, evil people and that we need to change. Change to some form of "Democratic Socialism". That this nation will be a better one once the distribution of misery becomes equal. Equal housing, equal education, equal healthcare, equal everything. Everything substandard but equal. Except of course for those at the top. You don't see Bernie liquidating all but one of his residences and donating the proceeds do you? Hell no you don't, he's going to be one of the leaders.

These words are meaningless to the indoctrinated. I'm sure it will all work out this time based solely on hope.

This is why I hate these type of talks. It's not a long term solution. Hell. It's not even a short term one. Whenever I hear people talk negatively about the wealthy the first thing that comes to my miind is "so, what are you going to do about it?" Bitching, whining and moaning about the rich isn't going to solve your money woes. It's useless. You do have a choice though. That's to find another job that pays more, read books on finance, start a business, etc. There are so many paths to take that you have control over. Worrying about Jeff Bezos income and how much he pays in taxes isn't one of them.

 

[Indus]

If we confiscated everything Jeff Bezo's had at that time, was able to liquidate it at full value and then divided it equally to the population of the U.S., everyone would get just under $400. That's a one time payment.
.

LMAO 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency expense.

It's still better than doing nothing.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education
No more foreign intervention

- No to higher wages. It would just lead to lower populations fit for working. Higher wages demand higher educational/fitness standards.
- Job guarantees have equivalence to slavery and indentured servitude.
- Healthcare is never going to be free and subsidized healthcare becomes bureaucratic in health/slow in research.
- Housing is affordable already, just need to stop building houses out of wood.
- Free childcare is orientated for population growth. No one wants that.
- College education is free already, just everyone thinks that they need to go college for it.
- Foreign intervention is always needed.

Any change would require a huge thought change. Those thought changes when forced are equivelent to dictatorship. The change needs to come slowly 100s of years sort of deal.

-> Instead of higher wages:
Reduce the amount of work and wages given to each individual and hire more people to do the job over 24/7/365. Aim for diversity and ruggedness.

-> Job guarantees and college education and student debt:
Self-education needs to become more relevant. This job requires ____ and then I need ____ books+ _____ tests/certs/diplomas. Aim for self-efficiency and self-thought. It also needs to be capable of speed: 16 years of education now within ~5 years in the future. Every generation must learn faster than the last.

-> Healthcare, Childcare, Fitnesscare, Housing, etc :
These can all be fused into Quality of Living care. The cost can be reduced through manipulation of demand and supply. Cure last, prevent first.

-> Foreign intervention:
This one falls under military. Conquer everything is always a good militant ideal. If you want to safeguard a certain thought.

As time moves forward, the difficulty of life must increase. So the amount of effort to ensure equity and equality must also rise.

 

[Blackjack200]

Sounds like a plan. Then, when the money runs out, what?

I spoke of this a month or so ago. If we confiscated everything Jeff Bezo's had at that time, was able to liquidate it at full value and then divided it equally to the population of the U.S., everyone would get just under $400. That's a one time payment.

Maybe you could give us an explanation on how you would keep these giveaways rolling? How much from whom would be a start. Throw in some math too. Then, an explanation for why these people would continue to produce knowing that their earnings would be confiscated.

Adolescent dreams are just that, dreams. People the world over have flocked to this nation for hundreds of years because of the opportunities it offers. Yet, many are taught that we are an evil nation populated by greedy, evil people and that we need to change. Change to some form of "Democratic Socialism". That this nation will be a better one once the distribution of misery becomes equal. Equal housing, equal education, equal healthcare, equal everything. Everything substandard but equal. Except of course for those at the top. You don't see Bernie liquidating all but one of his residences and donating the proceeds do you? Hell no you don't, he's going to be one of the leaders.

These words are meaningless to the indoctrinated. I'm sure it will all work out this time based solely on hope.

Shook.

 

[Blackjack200]

Housing is affordable already, just need to stop building houses out of wood.

Your whole list is shit, but this one is really special.

 

[Blackjack200]

Whenever I hear people talk negatively about the wealthy the first thing that comes to my miind is "so, what are you going to do about it?"

Let's go with proven methods.

 

[Atreus21]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education
No more foreign intervention

You can win with this message, but you need credibility.

If you can win with this message, you'll probably find you're still wearing a vr headset.

 

[1prophet]

Higher wages
Job guarantees
Free Healthcare
Affordable Housing
Free Child care
Student debt forgiveness
Free college education
No more foreign intervention

You can win with this message, but you need credibility.

Only if you believe life is a video game that you can just start over when things don't go the way you want,

but in the real world you ain't having none of those things if your actions are a race to the bottom where cheapest is best at the expense of someone else whether it is illegals, outsourcing, or H1b's, all in the name of the continuous movement of wealth from the lower classes to the 1% while they pull your heartstrings with things like "Think of the Children" or "Spreading Democracy through Free Markets" while you get to enjoy cheap prices to match your bullshit wages.

And please stop using that self entitled word FREE, no-one works for free out side of charities and volunteers and even they have expenses,

Someone has to pay for all those FREE doctors, clinics, hospitals, drugs etc.

Someone has to pay for that FREE child care in order to have someone take care of that child you really couldn't afford in the first place.

Someone has to pay for those FREE teachers, professors, schools, universities, etc.

As for foreign intervention, sorry but you put yourself in that position by demanding the government do something about high fuel prices so you can ride around in your gas guzzling crossover, suv, truck with the big wheels and all the other fancy accessories your local stealership rolled into your finance package that you struggle to pay but must have in order to keep up with the Jones's or trying to impress people you don't like.

America is not spending trillions in the Mideast for sand and sunshine,

while at the same time creating a steady flow of religious right type refugees that our bleeding heart liberals want to take in at someone else's expense.