Pr0d1gy
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Your boy is no where near a Conservative Democrat.
Oh really? Why do you say that? Obamacare?
Your boy is no where near a Conservative Democrat.
Oh really? Why do you say that? Obamacare?
Obamacare would be enough but lets not forget about him leading the charge in the class war
cap and trade.
trying to raise taxes in the middle of a recession,.
insulting and degrading business owners with his speeches.
Apparently, the elite are not tolerant of the 12% or 15% they pay..they won't be happy until its zero...as a matter of fact..they are so smart and beautiful we should be paying them...
Well do you blame them, since 47% of the population pays 0%.
I almost could have quoted your response word for word before you even posted it.
Seems a bit of a no-brainer. Record deficit, both sides want to bring the deficit down.
Where'd you go Matt? I thought we were having a discussion...
Say what? This is a very wierd statement, where did you come up with that one? The class war started years ago, if anything he is trying to level the playing field again.
Huh? Care to expand on that notion?
Taxes are absurdly low at the top, it has to be done whether you like it or not. We have proven through years of trail and error that lowering taxes on the top does NOT create jobs.
Dude, if you continue to spew this kind of garbage you are going to lose any credibility you have. Cutting two sentences out of a 45 minute speech and passing them off as the actual statement, rather than the out of context smear job it was, is almost as pathetic as the people who keep passing this off as proof of him being anti-small business. It's beyond a joke, it is a dangerous example of how easily lead and lazy our country has become.
1) All you did was post your usual baseless theory. This is getting old....
2) "Leveling the playing field" is still fighting the class war. Every other damn word out of his mouth is the rich need to pay their fair share, 1% this, 1% that and that is class warfare.
3) I don't have time to educate you on Cap and Trade.
4) If cutting taxes on the lower class creates jobs than how does cutting taxes on the upper class not create jobs? Did you know Reagan created more jobs after his second tax cut? 1.57% job increase during his first term and 2.53% increase during his second. Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms You can keep spewing your opnion as fact, but there are your numbers.
5) Any way you slice his speech it was degrading to business. I will go by what you say the context of it was, that the businesses didn't build thise bridges. Seeing as how it was their tax $$$ that paid for it, they actually did build those. And why that speech was even directed at businesses and not factory workers proves my point.
It's funny you bring up the Reagan era taxes, when the top earners back then paid 50% of their income in taxes until the last year or two Reagan was in office. Why do you think Bush, Sr raised taxes after he famously proclaimed, "No new taxes." while running for the presidency?
They were 70% untill Reagan cut them to 50. You can't possibly use that as an arguement. The one fact you actually used and you had to spin that. Sad. I have have had better debates with rock gardens.
I disagree with the OP's hypothesis. While the income concentration has at the top has gotten significantly worse over the last 30 years, income mobility has stayed the same or improved.
They were 70% when he was elected, down to 50% by 1982, then down to 38.5% in 1987, then down to 28% in 1988.
That is not an argument, or a debate, that is a fact recorded as public record.