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porkster

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Im an Intel fan but speaking as a NEUTRAL person right now... you intel peeps are talkin total BS. It went through 5 mobos and umpteen restarts... HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM THE INTEL CHIP IS BETTER?!


If you haven't read yet, Tom is admitting he stuffed up with setting the Intel system up.

So grow up. The test wasn't conducted proper. Once the Intel was correctly going it didn't fail.

Here are the list of Thomas' stuff ups
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* Wrong fan. He received a BTX style fan and used it in a ATX case without proper air flow, specified in P4 instructions.
* Failed to use new Thermal Pad when they moved the fan around.
* They plugged the fan into the wrong socket on the motherboard and blow the boards up in time.

* Tom didn't reset the scores, when the Intel was finally setup per the instructions.
* The Intel 840EE won all test scores until the fan crashed the Intel system, which allowed AMD to catch upin the loop counts.
* Tom refused to increase the priority on the divx thread causing AMD X2 to lose that test section.
* All the loop counts on the tests were in error due to one system counting when another was down, due to Tom's poor system setup.

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Continuity27

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: Soviet
Im an Intel fan but speaking as a NEUTRAL person right now... you intel peeps are talkin total BS. It went through 5 mobos and umpteen restarts... HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM THE INTEL CHIP IS BETTER?!


If you haven't read yet, Tom is admitting he stuffed up with setting the Intel system up.

So grow up. The test wasn't conducted proper. Once the Intel was correctly going it didn't fail.

Here are the list of Thomas' stuff ups
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* Wrong fan. He received a BTX style fan and used it in a ATX case without proper air flow, specified in P4 instructions.
* Failed to use new Thermal Pad when they moved the fan around.
* The plugged the fan into the wrong socket on the motherboard and blow the boards up.

* Tom didn't recent the scores when the Intel was setup per instructions.
* The Intel 840EE won all test scores until the fan crashes which allowed AMD to catch up.
* Tom refused to increase the priority on the divx thread causing AMD X2 to lose that test section.

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Dosent change the fact that the intel chip is CRAP based on what it is. Two prescotts glued together. Two wrongs dont make a right!!! Its bollocks... dosent matter what THG comes out with.

The things running at 70* too... I promise you its gonna crash/fail before the AMD system does.

Also this is a THG test, do you trust their benchmark/tests?. Ill go with this sites benchmarks thanks. Would you trust a site who screwed up the things you just listed? Well evidently you do.... why? youre daft? yep ill go with that :D
 

intelc4004

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Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.


Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best.

2 FPS doesn't make a difference, but it makes people feel better that even at a .0001% performance gain, intel is a cheaper, better, faster processor. Now stfu I quit this gay thread. I can't get through your thick steel skulls so there's no point of me argueing anymore. "ggkthxbai"
 

porkster

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Originally posted by: SovietDosent change the fact that the intel chip is CRAP based on what it is. Two prescotts glued together.

You really are trolling. The Intel 840EE won every test when it was finally set up properly. As already stated, Tom didn't reset the scores, which relfected the time the AMD was counting when the Intel was being repaired.

It doesn't matter. You buy what you want. I know which CPU I would buy if I was buying into new hardware or had a specific multitasking workload to be done.

Also like I said, if you are a current AMD 939 socket mobo owner then the X2 is probably a good upgrade path, but I would by Intel board if I wanted the ultimate desktop single cpu system.

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Continuity27

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.


Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best.

2 FPS doesn't make a difference, but it makes people feel better that even at a .0001% performance gain, intel is a cheaper, better, faster processor. Now stfu I quit this gay thread. I can't get through your thick steel skulls so there's no point of me argueing anymore. "ggkthxbai"

You can't comprehend. I know the 4800+ is the top of the line dual core from AMD. But YOU said that the Intel was cheaper, which it is NOT. The P4Ds are cheaper than the 4800+, but the P4EE dual core is NOT. What I said had nothing to do with "Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best. "
 

Jeff7181

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Woah... Tom is on the verge of a breakthrough discovery...

At this point, the volatile nature of the issue becomes evident, when processors rated with thermal dissipation of more than 120 W (TDP 130 W) require fan cooling to work.
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: SovietDosent change the fact that the intel chip is CRAP based on what it is. Two prescotts glued together.

You really are trolling. The Intel 840EE won every test when it was finally set up properly. As already stated, Tom didn't reset the scores, which relfected the time the AMD was counting when the Intel was being repaired.

It doesn't matter. You buy what you want. I know which CPU I would buy if I was buying into new hardware or had a specific multitasking workload to be done.

Also like I said, if you are a current AMD 939 socket mobo owner then the X2 is probably a good upgrade path, but I would by Intel board if I wanted the ultimate desktop single cpu system.

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You "by" it then, dont come crying here when it overheats and burns out. :)
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.

Also keep in mind that the Pentium D's don't have Hyper-Threading... so don't think you're going to buy a $300 Pentium D and make a 4200+ owner look silly because a 3.2 GHz Pentium D will NOT perform as well as that dual core 3.2 GHz P4EE.
 

Continuity27

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Best against best. X2 4800+ vs P4EE dual core... X2 wins in both performance and price. Now move along Porkster.. buy your Intel chip, that doesn't hurt anyone. What does hurt people is your misinformation. I'll be sitting here with the best dual core part and you'll hold on to your fanboyism and have an inferior part... hopefully it won't do damage to the other components in your system.
 

porkster

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Woah... Tom is on the verge of a breakthrough discovery...

At this point, the volatile nature of the issue becomes evident, when processors rated with thermal dissipation of more than 120 W (TDP 130 W) require fan cooling to work.

Since the presscott was released, Intel as instructed people that they require a case that has air channeling. Another mistake, I pointed out to THG but was ignored, along with the plea to get them to use thermal pads and new ones when they shift the fan. THG are hopeless.

Least they admitted their mistakes in the end, rather than hide them. The only thing is we don't get to see the test done properly.

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Continuity27

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Has anyone read Porkster's posts over at THG? He harps on and on about how AMD holds technology back, and an example he sites is BTX. :disgust:

Intel is a nice technological company, but so is AMD. Between AMD and Intel who ditched the FSB first? Who integrated the memory controller on the core first? Who made an x86-64 hybrid first? Who keeps similar speeds without the heat issues that also uses less wattage (better architecture)? All of these are AMD...

And Porkster, why are you so radically backing Intel? You should just buy whatever you feel is best at the time... Hell.. my last systems were AMD 1400 thunderbird, P4 3.06, and then AMD 64 4000+... Once the Pentium M gets better for desktops and Intel ditches Netburst, I'll likely go that route. See the difference?

You seem to want AMD to go out of business or something. You realize when Intel was the top dog and had no competition, THEY sat on technology and sold us the same crap for years for higher and higher prices? Nobody wants that. Heck, look at Creative stifling competition on the audio front... do you wish that's how the microprocessor market is? AMD keeps Intel more honest.

This latest test is almost comical. You describe the X2 as a failure while the Intel chip goes through like 9 motherboards, many heatsinks, memory modules, gets a video card removed etc. Surely you must see a problem here?
 

boran

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.


Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best.

2 FPS doesn't make a difference, but it makes people feel better that even at a .0001% performance gain, intel is a cheaper, better, faster processor. Now stfu I quit this gay thread. I can't get through your thick steel skulls so there's no point of me argueing anymore. "ggkthxbai"


now may I point you to this quote from THG 5th update:
We recorded an average frame rate in the 3D game Farcry based on the log files. In SLI mode, the AMD system is slightly in the lead, with an average 38.13 fps compared to the Intel system with 34.76. Even with SLI deactivated, the AMD system still manages 35.4 fps while the Intel system scores 31.56. This makes the AMD system without SLI just as fast as the Intel system with it.

thank you come again.

and this also somewhat points imho to the various apps stealing cycles from eachother, because while the OS scheduler sees four cores there are but only two. this also explains why the idle-priority divX encoding gets so much encoding done when acording to its priority the encoding should only happen when the cores are idle (in this case, only between benchmark runs methinks)
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: porkster
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Woah... Tom is on the verge of a breakthrough discovery...

At this point, the volatile nature of the issue becomes evident, when processors rated with thermal dissipation of more than 120 W (TDP 130 W) require fan cooling to work.

Since the presscott was released, Intel as instructed people that they require a case that has air channeling. Another mistake, I pointed out to THG but was ignored, along with the plea to get them to use thermal pads and new ones when they shift the fan. THG are hopeless.

Least they admitted their mistakes in the end, rather than hide them. The only thing is we don't get to see the test done properly.

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I agree, THG is a bunch of douchebags... but that doesn't make dual core Intel processors better than dual core AMD processors.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: porkster
The only thing is we don't get to see the test done properly.




Dude, I am going to be honest, we all have our favorite hardware, but it just amazes me how far people will go to make complete fools of themselves. The AMD chip is just better. Not only does it outperform the Intel chip in almost all tests, it its vastly superior in many areas. The system cost will be quite a bit cheaper for a new build with the AMD chip, its a better performer, and is more stable without question. It never failed, not once. You gripe about Tom's all you want, but the same people who setup the AMD system, also setup the Intel system, but the AMD system NEVER FAILED and that was the true test. They split the benches 2 to 2 but without a doubt a few quick tweaks and the AMD system might snag all four. How can anyone worth a grain a salt not look at the AMD chip and be impressed? And to even add to the AMD chip prowess it is a cool customer literally, while the Intel chip is throwing out heat like a flame thrower. I said all of this, to ask this one question, are you impressed by the AMD chip? If you answer no, you should stop posting and take up sweater making. The kind where you can see the beautiful sweater you're making, but no one else can see it ;).
 

SirPappy

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
I joined today- it's very hard to ignore all the idiotic posts made by the AMD fans.
Why don't you go check out the live charts again. Intel is producing 37FPS on the Farcry Timedemo, that's 2 more than AMD. Itll catch up soon and beat the only thing amd is winning so far on these tests.

But I understand, it's hard for AMD fans not to put a battle ( Not a good one so far ), Hell if I was a fanboy like all of you I'd argue back with meaningless information that's been repeated about 100 times already in this thread.

your an idiot dude. if you read all the post, you'de have read I've never even owned an AMD cpu. and Ive built plenty of desktops. but the fact is, ive always bought intel cause I THOUGHT intel was better(pricer too). but after playing with a few AMD rigs next to mine, and after reading through these threads, I'm pretty sure my next rig is going to be an AMD phat rig.

you see, I have an open mind, and I chose to see the truth for what it is, instead of blindly following intel like the FANBOI that you are. we each have our own opinion,likes, and dislikes.
like, i would like to run my rig without having to go through 6 mobos in less than a few days ;)

yes, intel was better at running 4 priority tasks than amd.
sorry, but, I dont think I'll need to be working with divx,encoding,ect,ect while playing farcry all at the same time.
and if youve read all the post in here, theres about 99% support that amd is a better cpu,
and a few who think intel is.
and of course, its funny that mostly all of them intel supporters are just newly registered to this forum. ;) makes you go hhmmmmmm.... :)


go cash your intel paycheck and go buy an AMD.
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO! :p

<------typing this on a P4 3.2ghz............

but not for much longer............. :D
 

SirPappy

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.


Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best.

2 FPS doesn't make a difference, but it makes people feel better that even at a .0001% performance gain, intel is a cheaper, better, faster processor. Now stfu I quit this gay thread. I can't get through your thick steel skulls so there's no point of me argueing anymore. "ggkthxbai"

thank god

and dont let the door hit ya where intels been paying ya. :)
 

intelc4004

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Originally posted by: SirPappy
Originally posted by: intelc4004
Originally posted by: Continuity27
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: intelc4004

A 2FPS difference... hmmm. Maybe if AMD was in the lead with a 2FPS Difference, everything would just turn right around, wouldn't it? You need to learn to let things go and realize what is better. If 2 FPS is showing that intel is a better cpu, than 2 FPS is all it takes. Intel is also cheaper, so take your head out of ass and stop letting these AMD Fan boys brain wash you like this.
a 2 fps loss in exchange for some stability? yeah i'll take that. i mean, i guess i could overclock my graphics card just beyond where it's stable, because, you know, i need those extra 2 fps or else my gaming experience is ruined. oh, blue screen of death? i don't mind those. but unless i'm running at 102fps, not 100, the game looks like crap.

:beer: BTW, in case anyone forgot... they aren't comparing the cheaper P4Ds to the X2 4800+, they are comparing the EXPENSIVE P4 EE dual core... loss for Intel.


Stop being so absent minded. THERE IS NO "EXPENSIVE VERSION" of the X2. That's the best cpu amd has to offer on the market now, and the 840D EE is the best cpu intel has to offer. So basically it's intel's best, against AMD's best.

2 FPS doesn't make a difference, but it makes people feel better that even at a .0001% performance gain, intel is a cheaper, better, faster processor. Now stfu I quit this gay thread. I can't get through your thick steel skulls so there's no point of me argueing anymore. "ggkthxbai"

thank god

and dont let the door hit ya where intels been paying ya. :)

I'm 16. And the sad part is, you're all probably over 30
 

intelc4004

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so many intelligent people here ( mainly intel fans, and the "new" people that signed up ) put great replies, mostly of which you ignored because there's no comeback possible to make. They also signed up, like me, because you and the amd "Fanboi's" look so stupid it actually hurts the mind. It's impossible to reply to any of your posts because you are all impossible in the first place.

BTW wtf is "fanboi"? Spell it right and put a y. You idiots made it up, at least do SOMETHING right.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
so many intelligent people here ( mainly intel fans, and the "new" people that signed up ) put great replies, mostly of which you ignored because there's no comeback possible to make. They also signed up, like me, because you and the amd "Fanboi's" look so stupid it actually hurts the mind. It's impossible to reply to any of your posts because you are all impossible in the first place.

BTW wtf is "fanboi"? Spell it right and put a y. You idiots made it up, at least do SOMETHING right.

Haha, weak. Hmm, I thought you left?
 

SirPappy

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Originally posted by: intelc4004
so many intelligent people here ( mainly intel fans, and the "new" people that signed up ) put great replies, mostly of which you ignored because there's no comeback possible to make. They also signed up, like me, because you and the amd "Fanboi's" look so stupid it actually hurts the mind. It's impossible to reply to any of your posts because you are all impossible in the first place.

BTW wtf is "fanboi"? Spell it right and put a y. You idiots made it up, at least do SOMETHING right.




look in the mirror son, and i thought you Quit this thread. ;)


now run along. dont you have homework to do.


go toilet paper a house or somthing.

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what can i say. I never said I was an angel. :p