AMDs take on Fermi

[Scali]

If I'm not mistaken, Keys is moderator of the CPU section... I don't see problems with that.
I don't think I've seen Keys moderate in the video section at all, let alone that he has abused his moderator status.
So it's pretty sad that people keep attacking him on his focus group commitment.

Heck, people even attack me, while I can't possibly be a focus group member, since there is a rule that all focus group members state this in their signature.

 

[Madcatatlas]

If I'm not mistaken, Keys is moderator of the CPU section... I don't see problems with that.
I don't think I've seen Keys moderate in the video section at all, let alone that he has abused his moderator status.
So it's pretty sad that people keep attacking him on his focus group commitment.

Well if you havent seen him moderate the Video forums, you should have your eyes checked. or your memory searched.

Aside from that, there is nothing wrong with him moderating the Video forums. Its just very obvious he WILL come in conflict when moderating a pro Nvidia/ATI comment on the edge of whats allowed.

Anandtech has one of the most active GPU forums in the world. Alot of people will make up their mind on a moderators way of handling things. And in this topic, alot have complained about his involvement.

This post is really offtopic and can be deleted.

 

[Scali]

And in this topic, alot have complained about his involvement.

Yea well, a lot of people here are EXTREMELY pro-AMD anyway.
Just because people complain doesn't mean it's justified.

 

[OCGuy]

Time to warn some of these guys baiting mods?

 

[nitromullet]

Yea well, a lot of people here are EXTREMELY pro-AMD anyway.
Just because people complain doesn't mean it's justified.

I'm certainly not pro-AMD and I'd probably be a focus group member too if offered (for NV or ATI). I most likely buy way too many cards from both sides to make me a good candidate. Plus, if I got free NV cards I'd probably just use the money saved to buy more ATI cards, and vice-versa. I love testing out both cards when I can.

That being said, I do have an issue with focus group members also being moderators. I think at some point you have to pick what you are: either a 'compensated endorser', community leader, or just an enthusiast. Nothing wrong with either choice, but they should be mutually exclusive IMO.

 

[Scali]

I'm certainly not pro-AMD and I'd probably be a focus group member too if offered (for NV or ATI).

I wouldn't... In some way they will always want something 'in return'. And I don't want to be involved with/dependent on a company in any way.

That being said, I do have an issue with focus group members also being moderators. I think at some point you have to pick what you are: either a 'compensated endorser', community leader, or just an enthusiast. Nothing wrong with either choice, but they should be mutually exclusive IMO.

Thing is, the alternative isn't necessarily better.
I mean, you can have people who aren't focus group members, but still have a very strong preference for a certain brand. I wouldn't want such people to be moderators either, but they're harder to detect, since they don't have the focus group label on them.
On the other hand, you can have people who, despite having a certain personal preference or commitment through some kind of focus group, still consider it THEIR opinion only, and will respect other opinions aswell, and will moderate as such.

I'd rather have someone who is a focus group member and a fair moderator, than someone who's not a focus group member, but has poor and unfair judgement.

As I said, I think Keys is doing a pretty good job of trying to keep his own opinions and commitments out of his moderating.

 

[jvroig]

Let's all just drop the moderator discussions in this thread and put it where it belongs, in Moderator Discussions. And all personal issues as well, and let's place them in the Personal Forum Issues.

Back on topic: the video was a funny one from AMD, made by people already employed there being paid to do marketing, and they probably determined that now that there is a viable competition in the form of GF104, it is the best time to do "marketing". I agree. Back then, with Fermi late and unimpressive when it did arrive, AMD had "free marketing" in the form of legit reviews. Now that there's viable competition, it's up to the marketing dept to crank out the propaganda machinery. It's just practical business sense. It's not something praiseworthy (they aren't geniuses for thinking of this), and it's certainly not something dirty (poking a bit of fun, all in good humor) and not something that is unproductive (the marketing dept aren't exactly stealing manpower, manhours, or budget from the engineering team).

I hated the part about "I bet we'll find something green". I know it's supposed to be a double-meaning phrase (nV and pot), but in the end, it doesn't make sense. In the end, the guy says "Fermi again, third time this week", and with that knowledge, watching the video again doesn't seem to jive well with enthusiastically expecting pot when "Fermi false alarms" have been experienced already. I know, I know, overanalyzing a video meant to be humorous, it just struck me as odd. Didn't stop me from enjoying it though :thumbsup:

If they manage to execute just as well and one-up nV again with SI, then I look forward to a similar video in the future. If not, then I look forward to nV returning the favor, hopefully with a video as funny as this one, not just JHH boasting about opening a can of whoop-ass :awe:

 

[HurleyBird]

My god people.... as if any of this is of any real importance. Keys may be a nV FG member and moderator but he is also a human with his own opinion. He has valid points and reasons for them too. Maybe you don't share the same view, Move on.

The way I see it is no one questions Key's status as a human with his own opinion. No one thinks that he doesn't have valid points and reasons. No one thinks that he can't be a mod, or that he can't be a focus group member. The problem many people have with Keys is that he is a mod AND a focus group member. It should be obvious to everyone that as far as conflicts of interests go, this is a huge one. It's the anandtech forum, and they can do what they want to, but it is still *incredibly* stupid of them to put anyone in this situation. And yes, I would say the same thing if someone like Terry Makedon (CatalystMaker) was a mod here, or anyone else with an affiliation to any tech company. It's just stupid, plain and simple.

 

[Genx87]

The way I see it is no one doesn't question Key's status as a human with his own opinion. No one thinks that he doesn't have valid points and reasons. No one thinks that he can't be a mod, or that he can't be a focus group member. The problem many people have with Keys is that he is a mod AND a focus group member. It should be obvious to everyone that as far as conflicts of interests go, this one is a huge one. It's the anandtech forum, and they can do what they want to, but it's still incredibly stupid of them to put anyone in this situation. And yes, I would say the same thing if someone like Terry Makedon (CatalystMaker) was a mod here, or anyone else with an affiliation to any tech company. It's just stupid.

Pretty sure Keys isnt handing out bans and warnings. So quit your whining because other mods agree people trolling a mod will get them in trouble. Some of the most liberal posters on this forum are P&N moderators. You dont see me crying like a baby when they hand out bans to trolling conservative members.

 

[HurleyBird]

Pretty sure Keys isnt handing out bans and warnings.

I don't know about bans, but I've definitely seen Keys handing out warnings. As far as discussing these things in the moderator forums, that would be fine except that it is a hidden forum, which makes it impossible to have any kind of group discussion about anything. I'd also like to reiterate, it's anandtech's forums. I agree they can do whatever they want on their forums. Their only accountability is a finicial one, as the worse things are handled here the less visitors and ad revenue they get. I'd also like to reiterate, having someone as a mod with such an obvious conflict of interest is incredibly stupid on their part. I mean this in a general sense, not as a particular attack on keys (although he's the only mod I know of in this kind of situation on the forum)

So quit your whining because other mods agree people trolling a mod will get them in trouble. Some of the most liberal posters on this forum are P&N moderators. You dont see me crying like a baby when they hand out bans to trolling conservative members.

I don't frequent the P&N forums. But if your description of it is at all accurate it sounds like a horrible place. In any case, bias is human. Everyone has their own. Every moderator is going to have their particular biases. Assuming what you're saying is correct, AT should probably bring on some more conservative leaning mods to balance things out, but that's their choice. Now, if they brought on a marketer for a political party on as a mod, that would be a similar situation to what we have here.

 

[bryanW1995]

Riiiight...the heat thing is so over-blown it is insane.

My room has not caught on fire.

yet

 

[evolucion8]

yet

Eventually.... too much Fermi's and the global warming will be worse.

 

[bryanW1995]

Seems this forum is a little green and viral ..guess if you like AMD don't bother coming here and posting anything, you will have 50 or so called "forum members" attack you for find a freaking (j/k video at that)video funny...sad...viral marketing at its best I guess...

I've seen many people accuse this forum of a red slant over the years as well. I guess it means that it's pretty balanced if fanboys from both camps think it's "biased" in the team's favor.

 

[bryanW1995]

If I'm not mistaken, Keys is moderator of the CPU section... I don't see problems with that.
I don't think I've seen Keys moderate in the video section at all, let alone that he has abused his moderator status.
So it's pretty sad that people keep attacking him on his focus group commitment.

Heck, people even attack me, while I can't possibly be a focus group member, since there is a rule that all focus group members state this in their signature.

tell that to rollo

 

[Idontcare]

Let's all just drop the moderator discussions in this thread and put it where it belongs, in Moderator Discussions. And all personal issues as well, and let's place them in the Personal Forum Issues.

^ this

...the last thing I'd think this place was is a Video Cards and Graphics forum if I happened to stumble upon it nowadays.

frankly its embarrassing, if I were anyone professionally associated with this forum I'd insist on it becoming more cordial and a little bit more liberal with the ban-hammer when people forget their manners.

There are ways to express your opinion and there are ways to just be a whiny prick, and the whiny prick ratio here is way above my personal tolerance threshold which is why I simply don't bother posting around here much anymore.

What professional in the world would want to waste their time casting pearls before swine? This forum is degrading into exactly what the powers that be must want it to become...if they wanted any different then they'd see to it and make it so.

 

[Skurge]

^ this

...the last thing I'd think this place was is a Video Cards and Graphics forum if I happened to stumble upon it nowadays.

frankly its embarrassing, if I were anyone professionally associated with this forum I'd insist on it becoming more cordial and a little bit more liberal with the ban-hammer when people forget their manners.

There are ways to express your opinion and there are ways to just be a whiny prick, and the whiny prick ratio here is way above my personal tolerance threshold which is why I simply don't bother posting around here much anymore.

What professional in the world would want to waste their time casting pearls before swine? This forum is degrading into exactly what the powers that be must want it to become...if they wanted any different then they'd see to it and make it so.

I agree with every single word here. I don't post here as much as I used to, I just don't like what its turned into.

 

[SolMiester]

I'm not wound up. I was making a point. Stop crying like a bunch of school girls. Jesus we are all doomed if somebody is going to cry about ATI poking a bit of fun at Nvidia.Seriously what has the world come to ? a bunch of sisified men acting like 5 year old girls.


Hopefully it riles both of them up a bit and we see some innovation.

You missed the point.....I said in TV advertising it was illegal to paint your competitors in a bad light...Its not gentlemanly, its not cricket! I thought the good ol USA knew all about honour etc as its the only thing that cant be taken away from you....

Obviously I'm talking to the wrong generation!...apology's, you weren't to know!

 

[SolMiester]

It is hard not to believe that Thats is actually agreeing with him....just so you know in future.


The HD 5870 single GPU always outperform the GTX 460 no matter what (Except in heavy tessellation) and now suddenly with SLI and in ultra ubber resolutions, it has the edge, how's that possible out of the nowhere? With such low minimum fps, its quite questionable the benchmark results, test configurations and crossfire scaling, specially when it has been proven even by Anand, that the higher the resolution, the better the HD 5800 series shine. Odd.

I'll help you here okay...
460 = 1.5
5870 = 2.0
However when 5870 are combined, they dont = 4.0, they = 3.0, whereas the 460 does double.....

Now that's the simplest way of looking at it, but its only to show the ATi are not the sum of their individual part, where you could say nV just about is....

Yes, 5870 is faster than 460!, but at res where 2 are required the combo of 460 works better enough to equal or best!

 

[SolMiester]

My god people.... as if any of this is of any real importance. Keys may be a nV FG member and moderator but he is also a human with his own opinion. He has valid points and reasons for them too. Maybe you don't share the same view, Move on.

Frankly, I think you guys bait him often enough that a little retaliation from him is warranted moderator or not. Try not to let envy of his affiliation with nVidia and moderator status get in the way here. I get the same kind of jealousy when i putt by "Harley guys" on my Hayabusa. They see my bike and instantly have to nearly explode thier engines to keep up with my near quarter throttle acceleration. FWIW, i have nothing against Harley's and believe someday i may just be on one too.

Also feel free to compare Key's situation to the recent flight attendant incident. You guys have it coming

Nice post....LOL, the flight attendant truly lost it!

 

[Pantalaimon]

I said in TV advertising it was illegal to paint your competitors in a bad light...

I see ads where the products are compared to competitors' products all the time here on TV in the US. Case in point the PC vs Mac ads. If they are illegal, how come they were put on TV?

 

[Scali]

I see ads where the products are compared to competitors' products all the time here on TV in the US. Case in point the PC vs Mac ads. If they are illegal, how come they were put on TV?

Probably because "PC" is not a company or a product. Intel or Microsoft/Windows... that may be a problem, but "PC" is safe.

 

[ModestGamer]

You missed the point.....I said in TV advertising it was illegal to paint your competitors in a bad light...Its not gentlemanly, its not cricket! I thought the good ol USA knew all about honour etc as its the only thing that cant be taken away from you....

Obviously I'm talking to the wrong generation!...apology's, you weren't to know!

Where do I ship the case of kleenex facial tissue ?

 

[ronnn]

Pretty sure Keys isnt handing out bans and warnings. So quit your whining because other mods agree people trolling a mod will get them in trouble. Some of the most liberal posters on this forum are P&N moderators. You dont see me crying like a baby when they hand out bans to trolling conservative members.

Endless trolling leads to an endless flame war. So if someone is always in personal attack situations, they are likely a troll.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Never mind, reported.

Thank your for reporting your own lie
Or did you just continue on auto-pilot?

 

[ZimZum]

Probably because "PC" is not a company or a product. Intel or Microsoft/Windows... that may be a problem, but "PC" is safe.

Go watch Verizon's ads about At&t's 3g coverage. They specifically mention AT&T by name.