AMDs take on Fermi

[golem]

You got your ban lifted and that's the first blatant lie that you posted, you started with the wrong foot, read slowspyder links and educate yourself.



It is hard not to believe that because this thread is about the video which is funny but is viral as it gets and you suddenly post a link derailing the thread putting nVidia into a better light, how that can't be called marketing? Why the derailing? Why putting your employee I mean nVidia into better light with something that has nothing to do with the topic or the video itself?

The HD 5870 single GPU always outperform the GTX 460 no matter what (Except in heavy tessellation) and now suddenly with SLI and in ultra ubber resolutions, it has the edge, how's that possible out of the nowhere? With such low minimum fps, its quite questionable the benchmark results, test configurations and crossfire scaling, specially when it has been proven even by Anand, that the higher the resolution, the better the HD 5800 series shine. Odd.

If you look at most of the post in this thread, they could be considered a derailment posts. Heck your post is (what does 5870 in xfire and 460 in SLI have to do with the amd video) and so is my current post. Does that mean that you or I are viral marketing?

 

[evolucion8]

If you look at most of the post in this thread, they could be considered a derailment posts. Heck your post is (what does 5870 in xfire and 460 in SLI have to do with the amd video) and so is my current post. Does that mean that you or I are viral marketing?

I know it is, it was to proof key's derailment wrong, get off from under that rock!!

 

[golem]

I know it is, it was to proof key's derailment wrong, get off from under that rock!!

Hmm missed that. But really, this thread had a whole bunch of OT post way before Keys showed up.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hmm missed that. But really, this thread had a whole bunch of OT post way before Keys showed up.

I posted the H link with the same sentiment in mind that Nitromullet has. You can scroll back and read his opinion on this, which is one I share.

 

[Keysplayr]

I know it is, it was to proof key's derailment wrong, get off from under that rock!!

It's "prove", and you didn't. It was on topic, about the video and why I think AMD should concentrate on being better in things other than slinging mud at their rival. So, it was 100% on topic. ON.

And it's "get out from under that rock!!". I know English isn't your first, but that stuff can drive you nuts after a while.

 

[evolucion8]

It's "prove", and you didn't. It was on topic, about the video and why I think AMD should concentrate on being better in things other than slinging mud at their rival. So, it was 100% on topic. ON.

And it's "get out from under that rock!!". I know English isn't your first, but that stuff can drive you nuts after a while.

Yeah, seems that the voice of experience has just spoken!! Is it green? ^_^
I posted links, they're invisible for your eyes though...

But it could be worse, you might get a reply from tweakboy, who's using the same stuff that is driving you nuts!!

 

[NoQuarter]

This might give you some insight into the way ATI thinks vs how NV operates.

ATI considers OEMs and board partners their customers. You, the end user, are an unfortunate irritant. Their world view revolves around making their customers (e.g., OEMs and board partners) happy, and they expect you, the customer, to be served by whomever you buy the final product from. This is why getting driver updates for notebooks has always been like pulling teeth and why ATI's Linux support is utter crap to this day. ATI powers that be have always suggested users contact the firm they buy from to demand support.

Now, NV goes an extra mile beyond that. They want you, the ultimate end user of their product to be well supported with ANY product with an NV gpu, no matter who sold it. This is a very subtle but important difference in attitude and approach which results in a better experience by the END USER. Which is why end users are bigger fans of NV than ATI on average.

Disagree with your assessment. Perhaps you should read this article:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2940/5

Before we get to the latest announcement, it’s worth noting that ATI is no stranger to providing updated mobile drivers. Six years ago, ATI began releasing drivers on their website that could work with any ATI-equipped laptop. The only problem was that the program was opt-in, so the laptop manufacturers needed to agree to participate. For whatever reason, OEM buy-in never took off, so the vast majority of AMD-equipped laptops during the past six years have only received sporadic driver updates. On a side note, yes, we know it was possible to hack the desktop drivers in order to install them on ATI laptops, but hacked drivers generally disable hotkeys and power saving features outright, and performance isn’t always as high as official drivers. Getting drivers to install is only half the battle; making them work is another matter.
...

Today, AMD looks to change what we can expect from their mobile driver programs in some fundamental ways. They're launching a new mobile driver program, but there are some major differences between the AMD program and NVIDIA’s program. First and perhaps more important, the new AMD program will be opt-out rather than opt-in. Sadly, many OEMs simply can’t be bothered with agreeing to opt in to driver programs like these—they like having control over driver updates, most likely, but sometimes they’re just too busy to be bothered. Going opt-out means more laptops will be supported by the AMD drivers, since a manufacturer will have to request to not be included.

 

[Avalon]

I'm not wound up. I was making a point. Stop crying like a bunch of school girls. Jesus we are all doomed if somebody is going to cry about ATI poking a bit of fun at Nvidia.Seriously what has the world come to ? a bunch of sisified men acting like 5 year old girls.


Hopefully it riles both of them up a bit and we see some innovation.

I wasn't speaking to you, so you don't have to explain yourself. Now you're just being overly dramatic. Yawn.

 

[Janooo]

I posted the H link with the same sentiment in mind that Nitromullet has. You can scroll back and read his opinion on this, which is one I share.

Maybe it was not intentional but in my opinion deflecting attention away from Fermi and pointing to an article that show NV in a good light is a viral marketing at its best.

 

[ZimZum]

This thread is entertaining. Butt hurt fanboys (on both sides) are always good for a laugh.

 

[Pantalaimon]

2) I'm not a marketer.

Actually, as a focus group member you are an NVIDIA marketer, no matter how you try and sugar coat it. You get hardware from them in return for talking them up in this forum, that's marketing and spin work on behalf of NVDIA as oppose to Wreckage, who's as far as I know is not a focus group member, but just a zealot fanboy

 

[Keysplayr]

Maybe it was not intentional but in my opinion deflecting attention away from Fermi and pointing to an article that show NV in a good light is a viral marketing at its best.

Whatever Janooo. Reported.

 

[ModestGamer]

I wasn't speaking to you, so you don't have to explain yourself. Now you're just being overly dramatic. Yawn.

sort of the point

 

[HurleyBird]

Whatever Janooo. Reported.

Besides his misinterpretation of what viral marketing is, nothing he said seemed so extreme as to be worthy of reporting.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but as a moderator here, and as a "focus group" member, you may want to refrain from taking part in these inflammatory threads due to your conflict of interest. For all I know, you might post the same way if you weren't a focus group member, but it looks bad on you, and Anandtech itself, when you do take part in these sorts of things.

 

[evolucion8]

I think that Janoo has a point Keys, and I think that you had gone too far doing the same thing in other threads when AMD is on good light. You can't be a moderator if you can't follow Anandtech's TOS and some neutrality as a moderator. Everybody leans on a certain brand, but your post had little to do with the thread. So is there an explanation?

 

[badb0y]

Stop being retarded Keys, you were trying to divert the attention from the video to the 460(Great Product BTW). It's like your making an excuse for nVidia.

ATi is pushing Southern Islands out this year and apparently for you that's not fast enough? If anything nVidia gotta get there shit together, we haven't even seen the entire Fermi I lineup yet and Southern Islands is around the corner.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Stop being retarded Keys, you were trying to divert the attention from the video to the 460(Great Product BTW). It's like your making an excuse for nVidia.

ATi is pushing Southern Islands out this year and apparently for you that's not fast enough? If anything nVidia gotta get there shit together, we haven't even seen the entire Fermi I lineup yet and Southern Islands is around the corner.

Well said

On topic, it's just a video, get over it

 

[Lonbjerg]

You got your ban lifted and that's the first blatant lie that you posted, you started with the wrong foot, read slowspyder links and educate yourself.

Please share whatever you are smoking...Scali's post put things in perspective...get over it

 

[Acanthus]

Great video!! I agree with you about the 470. Mine idles at 38-41*C at just 40 percent fan speed. I can idle at 43*C at just 32 percent fan speed. At load the card never exceeds 77*C at less than 70 percent fan speed. Overclocks to 750mhz GPU on stock voltage (1.0V). I mentioned this several times before, but it appears every single Fermi review in the last 3+ months simply used automatic fan profiles. NV set conservative fan profiles of 48-50 percent fan speed at load. This is what is getting the cards to 95*C.

Now you can get an Asus GTX470 for $270 and a bunch of GTX470s for $300 at the Egg. Too many negative reviews and $360/$500 (470/480) pricing for 3 months ensured little interest for GF100 this round. With current 470 pricing though, 5870s are irrelevant altogether and 5850 finally has a good alternative at $270.

Don't sit your card at the starcraft 2 menu with those fan profiles...

 

[evolucion8]

Please share whatever you are smoking...Scali's post put things in perspective...get over it

Never mind, reported.

 

[nyker96]

this ad no longer applies with gtx 460s.

 

[Sokar]

Wow NV even has mods marketing for them around here? Seriously MOD + NV = obvious conflict of interest. And he comes into the thread with a link that has nothing to do with the thread to promote his products then has the guts to claim that he is not marketing.

Would you hire an Intel employee to mod the cpu forum? Would you ask your auditors to do your tax returns? Of course not.

 

[jvroig]

@Sokar:

You bring up valid points, and I personally can't argue with them, but this is not the place for it. Doing that here is a mod-callout violation.

If you want to complain about Keys, bring it up in the Moderator Discussions Forum.

 

[lavaheadache]

My god people.... as if any of this is of any real importance. Keys may be a nV FG member and moderator but he is also a human with his own opinion. He has valid points and reasons for them too. Maybe you don't share the same view, Move on.

Frankly, I think you guys bait him often enough that a little retaliation from him is warranted moderator or not. Try not to let envy of his affiliation with nVidia and moderator status get in the way here. I get the same kind of jealousy when i putt by "Harley guys" on my Hayabusa. They see my bike and instantly have to nearly explode thier engines to keep up with my near quarter throttle acceleration. FWIW, i have nothing against Harley's and believe someday i may just be on one too.

Also feel free to compare Key's situation to the recent flight attendant incident. You guys have it coming

 

[Madcatatlas]

Im not surpriced so many have something against the way Keys posts, not Keys as a person. As a person he is probably a cool guy, having that hot car and all!..

AMDs take on Fermi 1.0 = lol at Fermi
AMDs take on Fermi 1,5 (AKA GTX460) = lol...its wtfpawning us in the face and still we dont lower prices on our products before we lose some serious initiative.