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AMD speaks to Legitreviews
B3 is just fine
Backed up by Elitebastards
Word straight from the horses mouth.
B3 is just fine
Backed up by Elitebastards
Word straight from the horses mouth.
AMD's Response to 'delays'
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I'll believe it when I see it 
The 3 links you reference are all "suspect" sites at best.
LR and The Inq have fed the AMD/ATI version of events to folks over the years and EB :roll: The OP of that thread has a long history of flooding forums with the ATI/AMD "viewpoint"
Whenever that company need a "boost" to stem a tide of "bad" PR, you'll find those 3 (and others) on the scene.
So will there be delays? Will the product shine? We shall see.
The 3 links you reference are all "suspect" sites at best.
LR and The Inq have fed the AMD/ATI version of events to folks over the years and EB :roll: The OP of that thread has a long history of flooding forums with the ATI/AMD "viewpoint"
Whenever that company need a "boost" to stem a tide of "bad" PR, you'll find those 3 (and others) on the scene.
So will there be delays? Will the product shine? We shall see.
Yeah well since there was first talk of shipping a fixed version in Q1, one can understand why some call it delays when even AMD now admits it will now ship in Q2! The only thing they clarified was that indeed B3 would have the fix. Now if there was a delay from late Q1 to early/mid Q2 them maybe it's because it took them a bit longer to fix the bug than they expected. There would be no point in releasing B3 without the fix, none at all.
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Or maybe the dumb people who blindly stay with amd even though it has been clear for awhile they dropped the ball. They were extremely late on product arrival, lackluster 65nm part arrival, and now this phenom with issues...and dont have the best products at this moment still.
I turned on Intel just like this when they upgraded the northwood C's with that horrible prescott and then their first dual core offer was that even more horrible Pentium D dual core. I went to Athlon 64 chips and stayed their thru X2s until the C2D's of intel arrived.
I dont need to justify those purchases. That ass-kickin they gave amd was justification enough.
I will respect any person who left AMD over the last year and went to INtel and Core 2 Duo architecture....
Nemesis 1
Lifer
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Originally posted by: ginfest
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Sounds to me by your tone . You will by AMD. Do you have proof Intel will raise prices .
What was X2 3800 selling for befor C2D was released?
It was intel that introduced cheap dual cores that outperformed AMD cpu's.
I wish and I mean it. That AMD Phenom would have = the hype . Because I would have loved to see how they would have priced them .
Until intel raises price at the lowend. Which won't happen your just blowing smoke.
Quick question - when do we begin to suspect the French "leak" of B3's being dodgy as actually being clever viral marketing scheme?
What else could AMD have done (short of shipping B3's for volume at CES) to stir up the web so much over the health of the B3 steppings than have some hitherto unknown website float the random rumor of there being an issue?
If AMD had just come out and said "B3 looks fine" everyone would have yawned.
Now they get to come out with the "B3 is fine" PR and watch everyone jump over top of each other to talk about AMD more than we would have otherwise.
If it was yet another engineered PR situation (Lake Tahoe anyone) then you got to give them marketing guys mad props because it worked!
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: ginfest
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Sounds to me by your tone . You will by AMD. Do you have proof Intel will raise prices .
What was X2 3800 selling for befor C2D was released?
It was intel that introduced cheap dual cores that outperformed AMD cpu's.
I wish and I mean it. That AMD Phenom would have = the hype . Because I would have loved to see how they would have priced them .
Until intel raises price at the lowend. Which won't happen your just blowing smoke.
What incentive would Intel have to lower their prices if there is no competition? Intel's prices would skyrocket if it weren't for AMD. There needs to be competition between corporations like these so we (the consumers) will benefit.
Why do you feel Microsoft charges so much for their OS? Because in the mainstream market, they have no real competition. Microsoft is in front of the pack when it comes to mainstream personal and business computers.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: ginfest
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Sounds to me by your tone . You will by AMD. Do you have proof Intel will raise prices .
Have you seen this? No ad hominem attacks. If you don't like it, explain how the conclusions are wrong.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: ginfest
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Sounds to me by your tone . You will by AMD. Do you have proof Intel will raise prices .
What was X2 3800 selling for befor C2D was released?
It was intel that introduced cheap dual cores that outperformed AMD cpu's.
I wish and I mean it. That AMD Phenom would have = the hype . Because I would have loved to see hown they would have priced them .
Until intel raises price at the lowend. Which won't happen your just blowing smoke.
I buy what is "best" for me-based on price/performance ratio. In the main over the years I have run Intel, although I went X2 during the P4 "fiasco" as referenced by duvie above.
That being said, it is only common business sense-if a certain product has weak or no competition, the company selling that product can set the market price for it.
I never said that Intel would raise the prices but they are in business to make money, no?
What I was infering was that they very well could raise them.
All IMHO
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Lifer
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Again proof intel will raise prices . We know AMD would but AMD isn't intel . Why does intel spend billions on new fabs . Why do they push the process smaller and smaller.
Most here know. If Intel keeps it prices @ current 65nm prices . Intels 45nm processors will give intel higher margins without raising prices. When VCRs came out they were $1000+ But as the market grows and more systems get into hands of the masses. prices get lower. That applies to cpu's also . How much of LCD come down in prices.
Sure their is only 2 players in the X86 market + 1 . But really there should only be intel but IBM put the srews to intel. You guys are going to see some strange developments in the Computer markets here shortly.
As Intel rids itself of X86 hardware. You will see Sun and Intel become much closer . As sun and Intel have a cross license agreement were Elbrus tech is concerned. Apple will become a bigger and bigger player. Why would Intel do this. Intel has 2 really big enemies and they know it . IBM and MS . I can see Intel working very hard with Apple to develop their system even better. As for IBM they are the source of all Intels present day problems. IBM used Intel to take down both DEC and Apple . Now these 3 are teaming up and it only a good for us. My wife just ordered an apple system . As her sister has one and she loves it (my wife) . I think there spendy but its her $$$. She already has a nice 6800 but she likes Apples OS. SO do I . But gaming kills apple for me . But thats going to change soon.
Most here know. If Intel keeps it prices @ current 65nm prices . Intels 45nm processors will give intel higher margins without raising prices. When VCRs came out they were $1000+ But as the market grows and more systems get into hands of the masses. prices get lower. That applies to cpu's also . How much of LCD come down in prices.
Sure their is only 2 players in the X86 market + 1 . But really there should only be intel but IBM put the srews to intel. You guys are going to see some strange developments in the Computer markets here shortly.
As Intel rids itself of X86 hardware. You will see Sun and Intel become much closer . As sun and Intel have a cross license agreement were Elbrus tech is concerned. Apple will become a bigger and bigger player. Why would Intel do this. Intel has 2 really big enemies and they know it . IBM and MS . I can see Intel working very hard with Apple to develop their system even better. As for IBM they are the source of all Intels present day problems. IBM used Intel to take down both DEC and Apple . Now these 3 are teaming up and it only a good for us. My wife just ordered an apple system . As her sister has one and she loves it (my wife) . I think there spendy but its her $$$. She already has a nice 6800 but she likes Apples OS. SO do I . But gaming kills apple for me . But thats going to change soon.
A company does not have the incentive to better themselves if there is no competition. These corporations are in the game to make money. Competition is key to a great product.
Markfw
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Originally posted by: lopri
Markfw900: (Off-topic question) May I ask what you do with your 12 systems? Are you running a PC-cafe or something? Just out of curiosity. Man I thought I had too many computers.
F@H. Look at anandtech team, I am number 2 soon to be number one.
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: ginfest
True that
Hopefully they will be competitive or else Intel will have free reign and the high prices to match :thumbsdown:
Sounds to me by your tone . You will by AMD. Do you have proof Intel will raise prices .
Have you seen this? No ad hominem attacks. If you don't like it, explain how the conclusions are wrong.
I certainly believe it. I bet Microsoft comes out looking similar.
(not directed at CTho9305 or anyone else from here on down, just speaking my mind)
I don't get the persistent belief in the fictitious benevolent corporate monopoly. Never in the history of mankind has a monopoly ever been viewed in hindsight as having acted with benevolence and respect for the consumer.
Why would they? How could they? If they did then it would be a complete abandonment of their fiducial responsibilities to their shareholders.
Intel's decision makers simply cannot choose to not leverage their situation to the maximum benefit of their shareholders, it is simply unacceptable to do otherwise.
VirtualLarry
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Your analysis is fatally flawed. Both VCRs and LCDs were mfged in a market where there was effective competition. If there were only a single company making the product (a monopoly), you can believe that prices would have stayed at the $1000 level for a VCR.
The exact reason that Apple computers are "spendy", is lack of effective competition.
You've just proven your own point wrong. Congratulations.
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Lifer
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Have I . Apple choose to go down a differant road period. Their products tho expensive are gaining market share . Thanks in no small part to Intel cpu's.
Competion is Good true it can also be bad.
Lets take China. Selling Lead paint products in our Kids toys. I bought a belt month ago made in China. 2weeks before the materials used Broke. Chinas forged steel . Cheap and breaks easily. But thats to be exspected since all the steel from the 9/11 buildings was shipped their illeageally so fast it make ones head spin .
Competition is good if it leads to lower cost quality products . But thats not always the case.
So according to replies and what others are saying in other forums. Now that Intel is leading in performance . We shouldn't see Nehalem till bulldozer arrives. Than we should also never exspect to see gesher or 32nm till 2014.
Noway not buying it. In 2003 I bought my daughter a Comquake pc . $3000 for a piece of junk. The dollar today buys alot more Cpu. than it did 15 years ago. Than factor in inflation .
Its nice that you believe that we all owe this to AMD . But its just not so. We owe it to Intel and their push to smaller process size.
Competion is Good true it can also be bad.
Lets take China. Selling Lead paint products in our Kids toys. I bought a belt month ago made in China. 2weeks before the materials used Broke. Chinas forged steel . Cheap and breaks easily. But thats to be exspected since all the steel from the 9/11 buildings was shipped their illeageally so fast it make ones head spin .
Competition is good if it leads to lower cost quality products . But thats not always the case.
So according to replies and what others are saying in other forums. Now that Intel is leading in performance . We shouldn't see Nehalem till bulldozer arrives. Than we should also never exspect to see gesher or 32nm till 2014.
Noway not buying it. In 2003 I bought my daughter a Comquake pc . $3000 for a piece of junk. The dollar today buys alot more Cpu. than it did 15 years ago. Than factor in inflation .
Its nice that you believe that we all owe this to AMD . But its just not so. We owe it to Intel and their push to smaller process size.
That's unregulated competition. With laws like we have in the US, competition generally gives you reasonable products at reasonable prices. If you take away regulation, you end up with monopolies charging a lot for bad products and commodity markets charging very little for bad products. You need regulation because consumers are neither fully informed nor rational (requirements for the ideal free market to work).
lololol competition in China? In a Communist state? Don't make me laugh. They have regulation, but no competition.
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