AMD's DX10 AGP Video Cards

apoppin

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not that i personally care anymore ... but none of the old topics cover this ... exactly

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39722
users of AGP systems will see the light of the day soon with mainstream DirectX 10 compliant cards.

AMD will not be offering any official Built-By-ATI boards with AGP support, but partners such as Sapphire, GeCube and HIS are prone to do just that. We suspect that the time of first appearance of these boards will be Computex Taipei 2007, trade show that will take place from June 5th onwards.

AGP will be supported through RIALTo bridge chip, and chips in question are of course, RV610 and RV630. RV610 will probably come to market only as Radeon HD 2400 Pro, and we are talking about this castrated part with eight vect5D shader pipelines. If you have bought into the whole stream processing units non-sense, we're talking about 40 Stream Processors (Scalar Shaders), 64-bit memory interface and either 128MB or 256MB of DDR2 memory. Memory is of course, your plain vanilla DDR2-800, so it is clocked at, oh my, 400MHz DDR (800 MT/s). GPU is clocked at 525MHz, but allow for some differences between various partners. Bandwidth is sadly, sucky 6.4GB/s. Just plain awful.

RV630 will be divided between 2600Pro and 2600XT, with obvious differences between the two. As you probably know, this is a part with 120 scalar shaders, or 24 Vect5D shader pipelines. Expect this one to demolish 7600GT AGP (price competitor). This chip of course, is a part with 128-bit memory controller.

Anyways, 2600Pro comes with anywhere from 128 and 512MB of GDDR-3 memory clocked at 500MHz in DDR mode (1 GigaTransfers/s), yielding in 16 GB/s of read bandwidth. Chip itself is clocked at 600MHz, but do not expect that overclocking scores will be great. This board sucks power only through AGP port, so it has 35 Watts to play with. Since 65nm GPU's don't consume power at all, you might have 5-10W to play with. Hopefully, your Abit NF7-S or IC7-MAX3 has circutry working quite well.

Top of the pops is 2600XT, but sadly this part will not come with GDDR4 memory. Instead, it will use same GDDR3 memory that is currently being placed on 8800GTS320/2900XT, or even regular 8800GTS. Memory support ranges from 256MB to 512MB, depending on what is the density of the chip. Default clock of the memory is 700 MHz DDR, or 1.4 GT/s, so default bandwidth will be at 22.4 GB/s. Weird part about the design of Radeon HD 2600XT AGP is the fact that the board will come with 6-pin PCIe power connector, so you can forget about four-pin Molex from yesteryear. With this six-pin part, you are going to have a card that has more room for overclocking than PCI Express version (that does not come with this certain part).

So, while 2600XT PCIe has 75W (and the board eats 43W with thirsty GDDR4 memory at 1.1GHz DDR), you will have 110W. GPU clock is the same as on the PCIe one, so you can hope to reach 1GHz for the core, and 1GHz DDR (2GT/s) for the board. 32GB/s of memory bandwidth could give decent performance boost.

my next GPU will be PCIe [the slot is 'ready'] ... i am not sure these offer much over my x1950p - except DX10 ... but some of you guys may be interested
 

apoppin

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now you know :p

... i "searched" for current AGP topics that covered it ... none seemed to

and frankly i don't care about it - other than a 'heads' up'
 

GundamSonicZeroX

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Oookay. I thought that this generation would be the death of AGP. I guess it has some fight in it if this is true.
 

nonameo

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Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Oookay. I thought that this generation would be the death of AGP. I guess it has some fight in it if this is true.

Well, seeing how there are still AMD dual cores that can hit upwards of 2.8ghz on an AGP platform(dunno about stock), I can see how AGP might still be practical.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: nonameo
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Oookay. I thought that this generation would be the death of AGP. I guess it has some fight in it if this is true.

Well, seeing how there are still AMD dual cores that can hit upwards of 2.8ghz on an AGP platform(dunno about stock), I can see how AGP might still be practical.

it's for *mid range* gamers that still want DX10 functionality ... the 2600xt looks to be a decent card ... probably beat the x1950p pretty handily ...
it will use same GDDR3 memory that is currently being placed on 8800GTS320/2900XT, or even regular 8800GTS. Memory support ranges from 256MB to 512MB, depending on what is the density of the chip. Default clock of the memory is 700 MHz DDR, or 1.4 GT/s, so default bandwidth will be at 22.4 GB/s. Weird part about the design of Radeon HD 2600XT AGP is the fact that the board will come with 6-pin PCIe power connector, so you can forget about four-pin Molex from yesteryear. With this six-pin part, you are going to have a card that has more room for overclocking than PCI Express version (that does not come with this certain part).

So, while 2600XT PCIe has 75W (and the board eats 43W with thirsty GDDR4 memory at 1.1GHz DDR), you will have 110W. GPU clock is the same as on the PCIe one, so you can hope to reach 1GHz for the core, and 1GHz DDR (2GT/s) for the board. 32GB/s of memory bandwidth could give decent performance boost.
speculation ... but could be a good OCer

65nm, right?
 

Auric

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Hey, there's more to video than just games. UVD may be a blessing to older HTPC's. Of particular interest is whether the legion of craptastic Athlons will get DxVA of AVC and VC-1 since their lack of at least SSE2 currently excludes that possibility.

Still, I am mildly interested from the gaming angle given the promise of higher performance without koo koo power requirements.
 

yacoub

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AMD says they're going for 64nm just to get bragging rights



but it'll be at the cost of 64db cooling device :D
 

GEOrifle

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Thise is good news about Dx10 AGP but it will be double priced i guess compared PCIE.
Anyway i'm going to build new PC with PCI 2 ready board and C2D. If prices gona be right for AGP i 'll buy it too, otherwise i'll use mine old 3.4GH OCed PC for WWW.
Then it will be released thise fall, Q 3 ?
 

Canterwood

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Originally posted by: apoppin
my next GPU will be PCIe [the slot is 'ready'] ... i am not sure these offer much over my x1950p - except DX10 ... but some of you guys may be interested
Unfortunately you're next video card will probably be somewhat bottlenecked by the x4 PCI-E graphics slot on your motherboard.

 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Canterwood
Originally posted by: apoppin
my next GPU will be PCIe [the slot is 'ready'] ... i am not sure these offer much over my x1950p - except DX10 ... but some of you guys may be interested
Unfortunately you're next video card will probably be somewhat bottlenecked by the x4 PCI-E graphics slot on your motherboard.

I doubt it ;)

At playable resolutions and settings anyway...
 

Canterwood

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Canterwood
Originally posted by: apoppin
my next GPU will be PCIe [the slot is 'ready'] ... i am not sure these offer much over my x1950p - except DX10 ... but some of you guys may be interested
Unfortunately you're next video card will probably be somewhat bottlenecked by the x4 PCI-E graphics slot on your motherboard.

I doubt it ;)

At playable resolutions and settings anyway...
Yeah, it'll work fine, but performance will take a hit, you've effectively got a quarter of the bandwidth available.

It might not matter so much with lower end cards, but will impact more as you go higher end and more so in the future.