AMD XP3200 vs AMD Sempron 3100

[Gikaseixas]

In a VGA testing the Sempron emerged ahead but i think overall the Barton based CPU will be the best choice. The Sempron's socket 754 sure helped, it has a much advanced design but the XP 400 mhz advantage may have the edge when it comes to encoding or other tasks. What do you think??

 

[coldpower27]

it will be a pretty even match up... though a Sempron is price more competitively then the Athlon XP 3200+.

 

[alent1234]

s754 sempron will probably beat it out because of the integrated memory controller.

 

[Xenon14]

the 3100 sempron will destroy the 3200 xp... esp in games.

 

[bigpow]

Sure... how much is the new mobo for this SEMPRON gonna cost?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: bigpow
Sure... how much is the new mobo for this SEMPRON gonna cost?

The same as any other motherboard, $100ish up

 

[Yanagi]

sempron will be equivialent to the XP 3200.. give or take some. it will not destroy it but it wont lose against it either. and skt 754 mobos are becoming pretty cheap nowadays.

 

[dennisjai215]

yall crazy sempron 3100+ = amd64 2800+ power
amd64 2800+ > any XP

 

[Avalon]

I'm going to have to agree with Dennis here. The sempron 3100+ will be a better choice than the XP 3200+. Gikaseixas, the sempron also runs on a 400mhz FSB, so your claim is completely wrong. Not only will the 3100+ be marginally faster, but it will also be significantly cheaper as well.

 

[bigpow]

Well I saw his sig and he's got an Nforce2 mobo already.
Would it make sense to upgrade to a sempron & semporn mobo?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: bigpow
Well I saw his sig and he's got an Nforce2 mobo already.
Would it make sense to upgrade to a sempron & semporn mobo?

That's a good question and that would be up to the buyer, but it's Socket 754 and not specifically a "Sempron Motherboard". IOW, he could get the Sempron now then upgrade to another Socket 754 cpu later, which adds somewhat to the value.

Personally, I'm kinda holding out for the Socket 939 Semprons, just for that reason. To get in on the Socket 939 platform Uber cheap with cpu upgradeability for the future as prices come down.

 

[dennisjai215]

Originally posted by: bigpow
Well I saw his sig and he's got an Nforce2 mobo already.
Would it make sense to upgrade to a sempron & semporn mobo?

notice he is comparing a 3200XP and a 3100 sempron?
he knows he would need a new motherboard to run it..
if he didn't want to replace the motherboard
he wouldn't have compared the AMD sempron 3100 PERIOD


thank you

 

[Gikaseixas]

Avalon i was refering to the CPU speed (the barton has 2200 vs the sempron 1800 mhz) The fsb is the same at 400 mhz but that was not what i meant.

 

[Gikaseixas]

No, i wouldn't buy the sempron. The CPU i have now will do the same job if not better. I was just curious because the barton lost in a game benchmark. I'm planning to get a A64 3800, i seems to be a better upgrade.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Avalon i was refering to the CPU speed (the barton has 2200 vs the sempron 1800 mhz) The fsb is the same at 400 mhz but that was not what i meant.

Hah, my bad. I apologize for misreading
Don't get the 3800+ man, too expensive.
Get the 3500+ and OC it

 

[Zebo]

ALL you people are crazy. The Axp3200 whips the newcastle 2800 natually it beats the sempron 3100 since it's slower.

Lets have a look shall we.

Athlon 64 2800+ and A-XP 3200+ split gaming benchmarks
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=5

Then the A-XP3200+ dominates every single other benchmark for the rest of the test over the slower newcasltle 2800+
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=8


What do you expect? You're giving up 400 MHZ to an already decent A-XP. Now that does'nt mean get the A-XP 3200. Get the 3100 amd OC to 2.4 then kill the A-XP3200.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: dennisjai215
yall crazy sempron 3100+ = amd64 2800+ power
amd64 2800+ > any XP

not quite~ its close to 2800+ but is usually behind it by a few points (or frames per second)

but with that said, if I went SKT754 I'd buy a sempr0n first and over time upgrade

 

[DrMrLordX]

Actually, uh

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7

As you can see here, the Sempron 3100+ beats the Barton 3200+ in Doom III

 

[alent1234]

as far as i understand it all the hardware sites only run benchmarks once. To get a good feel for performance you need to run it at least 30 times and take the average. Even with the current numbers Sempron is a good deal versus A64 3500's. On average it's 20% slower and 1/3 to 1/6 the price.

 

[matman326]

Hardware sites usually benchmark 3 runs and average the score.

The Sempron 3100 skt 754 is the better buy in this comparson for one reason..... scaling of the skt, the skt A platform maxes at XP 3400, the 754 maxes at 3800 with a TON better performace.

That and AMD admitted the SKt A is a dieing breed, it will be obsolete in a few years, then 754 will rule the day.

 

[Kondik]

Hm i say it so I think the XP 3200 is better, becouse Sempron should be a mainstream pocessor and a Athhlon XP 3200 dont sound to me so mainstream

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
ALL you people are crazy. The Axp3200 whips the newcastle 2800 natually it beats the sempron 3100 since it's slower.

Lets have a look shall we.

Athlon 64 2800+ and A-XP 3200+ split gaming benchmarks
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=5

Then the A-XP3200+ dominates every single other benchmark for the rest of the test over the slower newcasltle 2800+
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=8


What do you expect? You're giving up 400 MHZ to an already decent A-XP. Now that does'nt mean get the A-XP 3200. Get the 3100 amd OC to 2.4 then kill the A-XP3200.

What you just linked to us does not show what you're stating. I'm not seeing any AXP 3200+ whipping the 2800+. What I'm seeing on these benches is the 2800+ marginally beating the AXP 3200+ in games, tieing the 3200+ in business applications, and losing marginally in science applications. The science applications should be obvious, since raw computational power is the biggest benefit there, and the AXP 3200+ with its 400mhz lead gets the obvious advantage here, yet doesn't whip the 2800+. Now seeing as how most people here are business/game users, the 2800+ is clearly the best choice, since it offers equal to slightly better performance than the AXP 3200+. Now, let's take the sempron 3100+, which is anywhere from 0-5% slower than the 2800+, and 40% cheaper than an AXP 3200+ (assuming you buy it for around $140, which I think is even a low estimate for it retail), and you can see that there is no reason to buy the AXP 3200+ UNLESS you already have a socket A board. A lot don't even have 400FSB AMD boards, so they need to upgrade regardless, while some are building completely new systems from scratch.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Zebo
ALL you people are crazy. The Axp3200 whips the newcastle 2800 natually it beats the sempron 3100 since it's slower.

Lets have a look shall we.

Athlon 64 2800+ and A-XP 3200+ split gaming benchmarks
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=5

Then the A-XP3200+ dominates every single other benchmark for the rest of the test over the slower newcasltle 2800+
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=33&type=expert&pid=8


What do you expect? You're giving up 400 MHZ to an already decent A-XP. Now that does'nt mean get the A-XP 3200. Get the 3100 amd OC to 2.4 then kill the A-XP3200.

What you just linked to us does not show what you're stating. I'm not seeing any AXP 3200+ whipping the 2800+. What I'm seeing on these benches is the 2800+ marginally beating the AXP 3200+ in games, tieing the 3200+ in business applications, and losing marginally in science applications. The science applications should be obvious, since raw computational power is the biggest benefit there, and the AXP 3200+ with its 400mhz lead gets the obvious advantage here, yet doesn't whip the 2800+. Now seeing as how most people here are business/game users, the 2800+ is clearly the best choice, since it offers equal to slightly better performance than the AXP 3200+. Now, let's take the sempron 3100+, which is anywhere from 0-5% slower than the 2800+, and 40% cheaper than an AXP 3200+ (assuming you buy it for around $140, which I think is even a low estimate for it retail), and you can see that there is no reason to buy the AXP 3200+ UNLESS you already have a socket A board. A lot don't even have 400FSB AMD boards, so they need to upgrade regardless, while some are building completely new systems from scratch.

In gaming the scores are identical until you get to X2 then it's still within the 5% margin of error. Unless you call 233 vs 234 FPS a difference as in UT.

I also agree in biz apps they are identical.

So where does that leave us? with everything else.

Lame, Xmpeg, CineBench rendering, KribiBench 1.1, SPECviewperf 7.1 and of course the science apps the A-XP wins by more than 5% usually.

I agree about getting the 2800/3100, and said as much, based on price and overlcokablity it's a superior chip(s), but that still does'nt change the fact A-XP is the overall winner over the slower 3100+. Why? as you noted, " let's take the sempron 3100+, which is anywhere from 0-5% slower than the 2800+. This makes 3100+ slower than the already losing 2800+A64 to the AXP in those last set of benches. Does that make any sense? Prolly not.

Either way I think we can agree statement like "the 3100 sempron will destroy the 3200 xp... esp in games" and "amd64 2800+ > any XP " are way off the mark as the testing shows... indiscerable for the most part.

 

[Sylvanas]

buy an axp mobile, overclock it to 2.5ghz and thatll own a sempron 3100+