Originally posted by: jones377
Wouldn't it be great if Nehalem (Beckton?) comes out in a native octo-core version while AMD does the MCM approach? I'd like to see the PR departments (and their msgboard lackeys) of both companies spin that!
Originally posted by: SexyK
There will be native octo-core Nehalem, now it's just a matter of whether AMD really bites the bullet and goes MCM.
Originally posted by: Idontcare
If this turns out to be true then I for one applaud the managerial courage it takes to eat humble pie and set aside the ego rooted in their past (disasterous) decisions.
Intel did, and we got Core2Duo out of it. Thankfully it sounds like AMD is capable of learning from their mistakes.
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
who cares about x-cores when single core to single core performance vs C2D is abysmal.. .there are widely used programs with 8 foreground threads??
Originally posted by: taltamir
I really want a faster dual core right now. But my only option is to replace the mobo and get a c2d.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: SexyK
There will be native octo-core Nehalem, now it's just a matter of whether AMD really bites the bullet and goes MCM.
Nehalem will definately not be native octal-core. In fact, from what I've heard Intel won't even be going 8-core with Nehalem due to thermal/power limitations, they will wait until the 32nm refresh. A native 8-core processor would be way, way too big to even consider. A quad-core 45nm Penryn is 214mm^2, a 8-core Nehalem would surely be 500-600mm^2 in size.
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: Idontcare
If this turns out to be true then I for one applaud the managerial courage it takes to eat humble pie and set aside the ego rooted in their past (disasterous) decisions.
Intel did, and we got Core2Duo out of it. Thankfully it sounds like AMD is capable of learning from their mistakes.
Actually we got core2quad and the intel D from it... the core2 duo is a single die.
Anyways, good for AMD.. I hope this will help them get their quad core out before intel gets their MCM octal core out...
Originally posted by: SexyK
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: SexyK
There will be native octo-core Nehalem, now it's just a matter of whether AMD really bites the bullet and goes MCM.
Nehalem will definately not be native octal-core. In fact, from what I've heard Intel won't even be going 8-core with Nehalem due to thermal/power limitations, they will wait until the 32nm refresh. A native 8-core processor would be way, way too big to even consider. A quad-core 45nm Penryn is 214mm^2, a 8-core Nehalem would surely be 500-600mm^2 in size.
Surprisingly, Intel gave away quite a few details about Nehalem. Although Nehalem is still based on the 4-issue Core architecture, it takes "multithreading" to a whole new level. First of all, Nehalem can contain up to eight cores per die. Combined with 2-way Simultaneous Multi-Threading (SMT or Hyper-Threading), you'll have the ability to execute up to 16 threads on one chip!
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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: Idontcare
If this turns out to be true then I for one applaud the managerial courage it takes to eat humble pie and set aside the ego rooted in their past (disasterous) decisions.
Intel did, and we got Core2Duo out of it. Thankfully it sounds like AMD is capable of learning from their mistakes.
Actually we got core2quad and the intel D from it... the core2 duo is a single die.
Anyways, good for AMD.. I hope this will help them get their quad core out before intel gets their MCM octal core out...
Actually I was referring to Intel's abandonment of the Netburst approach, not the adoption of MCM integration. But your point is still valid.
My point was that Intel pushed and pushed headstrong down one path, but eventually ate humble pie, shot the horse with the broken leg, and jumped full-steam onto the Core2 bandwagon.
AMD needs to do something like this, at a management level, and stop blaming the under-resourced design layout and process development engineers and lay blame squarely on the shoulders of the corporate decision makers...but if they did that then I suppose Hector Ruinz would have a hard(er) time justifying a pay increase while shareholders eat cake.